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RW Zachary Senyshyn - Sault Ste Marie Greyhounds, OHL (2015, 15th, BOS)

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bossram said:
Last post then I'll stay out of this thread.

I disagree with the bolded. I don't think saying "I don't think he's a super impressive prospect" = "I think he's a bad prospect".
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You've been saying more like underwhelming season and production.

Which is definitely not the case, 15th overall 18y prospect who has scored 26 in 37 games, add to that his elite skating and he should look like a strong prospet.
And again the fact that he's a longer project and seeing this much progression in his points so early is a great sign.
 
You can't say he's underwhelming. As long as players drafted after him out perform him you can question the pick, but that has nothing to do with Senyshyn as a player.

He's got the Brendan Lemieux stat line. A boatload of goals and a few assists lol.

Edit : Probably could have used another sniper on Team Canada this year >_>.
 
bossram said:
Jake Virtanen was a super dangerous scorer once upon a time. Progression is nice yes, but being a PPG in D+1 season does not scream high-upside NHLer. Those kinds of players typically do not make the NHL, let alone become impact players.

I'm not making a prediction on how he turns out. But based on historical precedents, it's really not impressive.
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Goalscoring power forwards traditionally struggle to put up gaudy point totals in junior. Your post reeks of ignorance. Senyshen has performed exactly how you'd hoped a 15th OA goalscorer would, especially on a team with such minimal offensive depth.
 
93LEAFS said:
a bit misleading considering most top 2015 pics missed game due to extended looks in training camps and the WJC. Considering Marner and Strome are scoring at better rates and Zacha is within less than .01.
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Agree, I knew this comment was coming and I'm not definitely claiming he is one of the best prospects from draft, but he was drafted to score and looks to be doing so pretty nicely :)
Passed his last years totals with 2 goals last night, not bad for bust.

And Gabrielle who is mentioned on that as well is a Bruins draft pick from 4th round.
 
BB88 said:
Agree, I knew this comment was coming and I'm not definitely claiming he is one of the best prospects from draft, but he was drafted to score and looks to be doing so pretty nicely :)
And Gabrielle who is mentioned on that as well is a Bruins draft pick from 4th round.
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Agreed, not here to bash Senyshyn, if you look at my posts throughout the thread I've been fairly high on him. Kids proving he isn't the insane reach people thought he was on draft day, even if its still a little high for some peoples liking (mainly going ahead of Barzal and Connor).
 
I've said it a number of times, the only pick I wasn't thrilled about was the Debrusk pick. Perfectly fine with the Senyshyn pick.
 
bossram said:
He's under a point-per-game. Now points aren't everything, but that doesn't really scream impressive, especially for a 15th overall pick in his D+1 season.
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Too much stock is being put into 15th overall. It's not like this is 1st overall, or even top 3. It's kind of a crap shoot after that.

Take a look at the last 15th overalls for the past 15 years here:
http://www.mynhldraft.com/nhl-draft-picks/15th-overall/150509/

Outside of Karlsson and arguably Radulov, (we can give the last 5 years some more time to establish themselves), not a lot in the last 15 years. If you go back further, you can find some gems in there, but you are probably shooting like 1/5 chance to get a player that will be a consistent NHLer let alone, an impact player.
 
WhalerTurnedBruin55 said:
Too much stock is being put into 15th overall. It's not like this is 1st overall, or even top 3. It's kind of a crap shoot after that.

Take a look at the last 15th overalls for the past 15 years here:
http://www.mynhldraft.com/nhl-draft-picks/15th-overall/150509/

Outside of Karlsson and arguably Radulov, (we can give the last 5 years some more time to establish themselves), not a lot in the last 15 years. If you go back further, you can find some gems in there, but you are probably shooting like 1/5 chance to get a player that will be a consistent NHLer let alone, an impact player.
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While I agree with your general point, that list is missing Larkin who looks like a future star.
 
93LEAFS said:
Agreed, not here to bash Senyshyn, if you look at my posts throughout the thread I've been fairly high on him. Kids proving he isn't the insane reach people thought he was on draft day, even if its still a little high for some peoples liking (mainly going ahead of Barzal and Connor).
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I know, and not saying you but it's nice to update these at times, even though our prospects are having great years they don't get talked a lot, the laughing we got in the offseason was crazy :laugh:

I was also highly surprised when we picked Seny, wanting Connor and Barzal, but then went on watching his videos/articles and I started to like the pick and since the pre season he has shown why Sweeney picked him and his game should transfer well to the NHL, elite skating and not depended on other players creating scoring chances for him.
We have high quality playmakers and Seny fills a huge need(potentially).
Still need that elite prospect to make this prospect pool one of the best in the league and potential longterm contender but the support group is there with Seny and the others.
 
93LEAFS said:
While I agree with your general point, that list is missing Larkin who looks like a future star.
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Sure. The stars can come from any draft position. Point being that draft position means nothing after the draft.

The team selected the player that was available that they wanted. They miss more than they hit, especially at 15. That's not to say that 15's can't make an impact, but the point was just saying too much stock is being held into the position 15th overall.
 
WhalerTurnedBruin55 said:
Too much stock is being put into 15th overall. It's not like this is 1st overall, or even top 3. It's kind of a crap shoot after that.

Take a look at the last 15th overalls for the past 15 years here:
http://www.mynhldraft.com/nhl-draft-picks/15th-overall/150509/

Outside of Karlsson and arguably Radulov, (we can give the last 5 years some more time to establish themselves), not a lot in the last 15 years. If you go back further, you can find some gems in there, but you are probably shooting like 1/5 chance to get a player that will be a consistent NHLer let alone, an impact player.
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Context is important. All that matters is who was on the board at 15 this year, not previous years.
 
Short Side High said:
Context is important. All that matters is who was on the board at 15 this year, not previous years.
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Yep, I don't like to watch those blindly, going to see lots of quality players after the 15th pick, but at the same time Seny is showing/proving himself to be worth that pick, and can't wait to see how he keeps developing.
He's probably still few years away from NHL but is developing better than expected.
 
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Short Side High said:
Context is important. All that matters is who was on the board at 15 this year, not previous years.
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You can go into every draft and find times teams reached and it failed. Or reached and it worked.

If I remember correctly, even Karlsson in his draft year was considered a reach (players considered better were still available at his spot), but now it would look silly in hindsight. Ottawa traded up to pick him at least 6 spots higher than he was ranked. At least 3 of the defensemen were ranked higher were still available. (For what it's worth, the Bruins drafted Colborne, and I was hoping for the American Carlson.)

It's far too early to say the players that were ranked ahead of him are surefire better choices. Teams have to trust their scouts, and if the guy they want is there when they want him, don't risk it, and get the guy you want. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.
 
Now has 45 goals in 65 games for SSM in the OHL. Second leading goal scorer for SSM has 26.

Other facts:
6'2, 200
explosive skater, among best in draft
Turns 19 at end of the month
Steep upward trajectory

Note: this is not a post on Boston's other two first round picks.
However, I believe Senyshyn has proven himself as a legitimate top 15 draft pick in the 2015 draft, and a number of teams would take him that high in a re-draft. Do others agree?
 
WhalerTurnedBruin55 said:
You can go into every draft and find times teams reached and it failed. Or reached and it worked.

If I remember correctly, even Karlsson in his draft year was considered a reach (players considered better were still available at his spot), but now it would look silly in hindsight. Ottawa traded up to pick him at least 6 spots higher than he was ranked. At least 3 of the defensemen were ranked higher were still available. (For what it's worth, the Bruins drafted Colborne, and I was hoping for the American Carlson.)

It's far too early to say the players that were ranked ahead of him are surefire better choices. Teams have to trust their scouts, and if the guy they want is there when they want him, don't risk it, and get the guy you want. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.
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It's funny you mention Karlsson and not risking missing out on a player. The rumour was Anahiem was after Karlsson, unfortunately I can't find a credible link to this though my memory was confirmed by a blog post. Anahiem held the 12th pick, but traded down to 17th. Ottawa had the 18th pick and moved up to 15 to get Karlsson. Anahiem ended up taking Jake Gardiner at 17.
 
Senyshyn has been very good. In a re-draft I would take him in the 1st round for sure.
 
Beesfan said:
However, I believe Senyshyn has proven himself as a legitimate top 15 draft pick in the 2015 draft, and a number of teams would take him that high in a re-draft. Do others agree?
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i keep reading that from a bunch of teams that drafted in the top25. homer glasses or this draft is full of hall of famers
 
buyinnow said:
i keep reading that from a bunch of teams that drafted in the top25. homer glasses or this draft is full of hall of famers
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Maybe its just that most top 25 picks deserved to be picked at their spot ?? Especially in their draft +1 season. Being a worthy lets say 23 overall just mean that the kid is on track to turn into a nhler , doesnt mean that hes gonna be an elite player
 
One of the best goal scorers from the draft, not one of the best overall players (for now).
 
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