RW Zachary Senyshyn - Sault Ste Marie Greyhounds, OHL (2015, 15th, BOS)

[Coaches Coroner]

This is Spears third year of development while Senyshyn is in his second. They both have 9 points in 10 games in the playoffs; I would hardly call that " hasn't done anything ", especially when Senyshyn helped setup the GW goal in the last game

...they are the same age, both in 3rd year of OHL eligibility. The fact that he played his 16 year old season in the CCHL and Spears played his first year in the OHL has little to no effect on his development this year. Seems like a borderline irrelevant fact that's being used to grasp at straws.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

would anybody here take senyshyn over konecny ?

Imagine if they took Kyle Connor instead of Debrusk and then Brock Boeser instead of Senyshyn. They would have had the two best NCAA forwards this season.

This is Spears third year of development while Senyshyn is in his second. They both have 9 points in 10 games in the playoffs; I would hardly call that " hasn't done anything ", especially when Senyshyn helped setup the GW goal in the last game

Uhhh no. Spears and Senyshyn are the same age and drafted in the same draft. The fact that he's getting outscored by a 3rd rounder is kind of sad.

 

[BruinsBtn]

Imagine if they took Kyle Connor instead of Debrusk and then Brock Boeser instead of Senyshyn. They would have had the two best NCAA forwards this season.



Uhhh no. Spears and Senyshyn are the same age and drafted in the same draft. The fact that he's getting outscored by a 3rd rounder is kind of sad.

If you want really sad... the Bruins 4th rounder from this year outscored the Islanders' 5th overall pick. And the 4th rounder is a year younger. Heck, he outscored almost every CHL player drafted in 2015.

It's almost as if scouts are more concerned with how a players game will translate than pure numbers.

 

[Icebreakers]

Senyshyn is going to be talked up more because of his draft position and people will want to make it seem like he deserved to go that high. But regardless, he scored 45 goals but he was still around only a ppg. Those numbers are decent but its not like he has earned his draft position right now when theres about 5 other players around him that would have been a better choice.

 

[Icebreakers]

If you want really sad... the Bruins 4th rounder from this year outscored the Islanders' 5th overall pick. And the 4th rounder is a year younger.

Are you actually comparing Jesse Gabrielle to Michael Dal Colle... lol the guy who ended with 27 goals in 30 games with 55 points and whose dominating the playoffs.

 

[BruinsBtn]

Are you actually comparing Jesse Gabrielle to Michael Dal Colle... lol the guy who ended with 27 goals in 30 games with 55 points and whose dominating the playoffs.

I'm comparing the stupidity of looking at only numbers. Thanks for unwittingly helping to make my point.

 

[Icebreakers]

I'm comparing the stupidity of looking at only numbers. Thanks for unwittingly helping to make my point.

I didnt make your point. You made yourself look worse by comparing Gabrielle to Dal Colle. Thats not even a talking point.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I'm comparing the stupidity of looking at only numbers. Thanks for unwittingly helping to make my point.

Lol if you only look at the numbers, Dal Colle is undoubtably better... I'm not sure where you were going with this

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Imagine if they took Kyle Connor instead of Debrusk and then Brock Boeser instead of Senyshyn. They would have had the two best NCAA forwards this season.

No need to Connor tore up a lousy Big Ten conference. No guarantee Boeser could score 45 in the OHL. Your imagination is out there, no guarantee any of the prospects do well in NHL.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Lol if you only look at the numbers, Dal Colle is undoubtably better... I'm not sure where you were going with this

Dal Colle's numbers went down from 2014-15 to 2015-2016 while playing more games is probably what he meant. That by no means makes him a bad pick.

 

[BruinsBtn]

Lol if you only look at the numbers, Dal Colle is undoubtably better... I'm not sure where you were going with this

Woooooosh

 

[Elias Pettersson]

No need to Connor tore up a lousy Big Ten conference. No guarantee Boeser could score 45 in the OHL. Your imagination is out there, no guarantee any of the prospects do well in NHL.

wait your argument makes no sense whatsoever...

Senyshyn played in a way easier league against teams with 16 year olds...
Are you actually trying to say that the OHL > NCAA?
Bro do you even hockey?

 

[Montecristo]

Dal Colle's numbers went down from 2014-15 to 2015-2016 while playing more games is probably what he meant. That by no means makes him a bad pick.

Not sure when Senyshyn started getting compared to Dal colle. 2 different players. Senyshyn wasn't a bad pick. Gurianov, debrusk, and zboril all go lower than senyshyn in a redraft. Unfortunately zboril and DEBRUSK were Bruins picks also, but I'd take senyshyn in the top 20 in a redraft most likely if it were to be held today. And if we focus on Bruins I'd imagine debrusk still goes in the first, carlo and gabrielle go higher than they were taken and the draft on a whole is a good one for boston despite a subpar first round. Senyshyn is the best of the 3 picks they made. He didn't have many assists all season but scored 45. And in the playoffs he's had 7 assists in 10 games. So clearly he has the skill set to both set up and score goals. Hopefully in his draft +2 year he puts it both together and has a 85+ point year. Although he was outproduced by spears his skill set is still what sets him apart fr him. Senyshyn is one of the top skaters in the entire OHL and has good hands and a good shot. Not sure about spears skillsey but I'd be stunned if his skating was on par with Senyshyn as he likely wouldn't have lasted to the .3rd round if he could skate like Senyshyn.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

wait your argument makes no sense whatsoever...

Senyshyn played in a way easier league against teams with 16 year olds...
Are you actually trying to say that the OHL > NCAA?
Bro do you even hockey?

"Bro" ? Do only 16 year olds play in the OHL ?

I'm quite sure that GMs that have picked tons of OHL prospects think the league is terrible.

No only you know about hockey, Bro!

 

[Brewins]

"Bro" ? Do only 16 year olds play in the OHL ?

I'm quite sure that GMs that have picked tons of OHL prospects think the league is terrible.

No only you know about hockey, Bro!

I think his point is that there are no 16 yr olds to take the size/age/maturity/skill advantage of. NCAA is all 18-22 year olds making the competition bigger/stronger/smarter(usually).

 

[PB37]

The fact that he played his 16 year old season in the CCHL and Spears played his first year in the OHL has little to no effect on his development this year.

It has a lot to do with it, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

"Bro" ? Do only 16 year olds play in the OHL ?

I'm quite sure that GMs that have picked tons of OHL prospects think the league is terrible.

No only you know about hockey, Bro!

Did I say the OHL is terrible? I'm saying the NCAA is better than the OHL.

Just to make things clear, you ARE indeed trying to tell me that the OHL is better than NCAA?
Please confirm or deny so I can laugh appropriately.

 

[BadBruins]

...they are the same age, both in 3rd year of OHL eligibility. The fact that he played his 16 year old season in the CCHL and Spears played his first year in the OHL has little to no effect on his development this year. Seems like a borderline irrelevant fact that's being used to grasp at straws.

Are you saying there's no advantage to repeating the same level a 3rd time vs a 2nd time? I would suggest the player repeating a 3rd time has an advantage, even if it might me a small one.

Not to turn this thread around, but the fact that Speers is more efficient at racking up assists on the PP has little bearing on his prospect status. Speers numbers are actually down from a year ago, which likely has more to do with the quality of team rather than regression. There's a reason teams employ scouts and don't take the simple approach of sorting the points column like many HF posters do.

Top-5 in goals and top-5 in shots in the OHL. Even from a stats perspective, Senyshyn displayed very good progression from year one to year two. There's an obvious tools package to work with, which I'm sure played a big part in him being ranked much higher than Speers last year (and taken higher), despite being the lesser player on the same team.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Did I say the OHL is terrible? I'm saying the NCAA is better than the OHL. Just to make things clear, you ARE indeed trying to tell me that the OHL is better than NCAA?
Please confirm or deny so I can laugh appropriately.

Take a gander at your avatar and you will laugh appropriately.

No, I said the Big Ten is a garbage conference and it is easy to score in.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

Take a gander at your avatar and you will laugh appropriately.

No, I said the Big Ten is a garbage conference and it is easy to score in.

Okay so you think the OHL is harder to score in than the Big 10. Got it.
Need I remind you that Tom Sestito scored 42 goals in the OHL and Dane Fox scored 64 goals and 107 points. But I'm sure they would both have over 5 points per game in the big 10 amirite?

 

[JetsFan815]

OHL is harder to score in than NCAA? Now I have seen everything

 

[93LEAFS]

OHL is harder to score in than NCAA? Now I have seen everything

He actually specified big 10, although I don't believe it to be true. While I don't think Senyshen would rack up Connor like totals, I could see him putting up good numbers if paired with guys like Motte and Compher. For example Scott Conway put up 26 points in 34 games last year as a non-prospect freshman and scored at a lower pace than Tyson Jost in the BCHL this year. Or the fact Kunin and Novak put up good numbers for prospects of their stature.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I didnt make your point. You made yourself look worse by comparing Gabrielle to Dal Colle. Thats not even a talking point.

He wasn't comparing them, he was comparing their numbers and showing how Stat watching is a terrible way to judge prospects. If you didn't know anything about hockey and only looked at the STATS you could argue Gabrielle is better than MDC, which is clearly false.

By looking at the stats, Connor Garland is better than basically every single CHL player. Would you agree with that? And if not, now you know why judging Senyshen on his point totals is ridiculous.

 

[93LEAFS]

He wasn't comparing them, he was comparing their numbers and showing how Stat watching is a terrible way to judge prospects. If you didn't know anything about hockey and only looked at the STATS you could argue Gabrielle is better than MDC, which is clearly false.

By looking at the stats, Connor Garland is better than basically every single CHL player. Would you agree with that? And if not, now you know why judging Senyshen on his point totals is ridiculous.

Especially just points. If you looked deeper into Senyshen's numbers they are pretty good. Great shot generator with a solid sh%, 3rd in GPG among players drafted in 2015 or haven't entered in a draft yet (behind Debrincat and Marner),

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Okay so you think the OHL is harder to score in than the Big 10. Got it.

Yah wow you got it now. Great job and it's ok to disagree but your wrong, the Big Ten has been awful and you still haven't proven that Connor or Boeser will be better than DeBrusk nor Senyshyn in the NHL.

Carry on...Bro