RW Zachary Senyshyn - Sault Ste Marie Greyhounds, OHL (2015, 15th, BOS)

[Anth93]

Imagine how good of shape the bruins future would of been if they took Boeser Barzal and Connor. Just let that sink in that they didnt do that

One of the all time draft blunders.

 

[BruinsBtn]

One of the all time draft blunders.

Please show us your pre-draft list. I want to see that your hindsight was foresight.

 

[93LEAFS]

Well, Boston originally wanted Connor, but he apparently tanked his interview and showed a reluctance to be a part of the organization, which made the Bruins opt for Debrusk.



Link?

There are a couple of posters on the Bruins board who have some connections to the organization who said that Boston DID plan to draft Connor; however, the organization changed its mind after the pre-draft interview with him. Connor was apparently very unenthusiastic, especially in comparison to the interviews that he had given to other teams. That was a red flag to Boston: under no circumstances did it want to be stuck with a young player who did not want to play in Boston (e.g. Hamilton) or a college player who might walk as a free agent after four years (e.g. Vesey). So, the Bruins opted for Debrusk. The original plan was to draft Zboril, Connor and Senyshyn (the latter being the "reach").

So, please go ahead and continue to bash Boston and its 2015 first-round picks. The truth, however, is that Boston wanted Connor, but his interview showed that the feeling wasn't mutual.

I saw this in another thread, your story doesn't make sense. Boston didn't have possession of the picks until the day of the draft, so the strategy would not of been to draft all 3 at the time they conducted pre-draft interviews, which are usually done at the combine. It seems like a bunch of revisionist history, I've also heard nothing about Connor interviewing poorly, although that was rumored about Barzal.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

You already know for a fact that the Boston players won't be any good and worse than players picked behind them? Could you tell me who wins the cup in 2019 too?


I remember when Moncton fans were very frustrated with Marchand... he turned out ok. It's almost like players change after junior?

You gave one example. You're naming the exceptions. For every Marchand, there's 50 players that look bad and are bad. Senyshyn is one.

 

[Anth93]

Please show us your pre-draft list. I want to see that your hindsight was foresight.

You don't genuinely believe they took the three best players do you?

I mean I don't even feel like I need to type anything here, it's clear as day what they didn't do and why they'll regret it for years.

 

[BruinsBtn]

I'd bet my life on Kessel scoring 40 goals next year.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?p=104759721&highlight=#post104759721

Crosby or Malkin will have their best winger since Hossa..

Ouch...

I'll pass on your talent evaluation.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Bruins prospect threads are annoying to read now due to everyone ragging on the team for their 3 picks. Lets give it a few years here before we claim anything. All these kids haven't even played in the pro's yet and teams draft kids on how they think they will be in a few years in the NHL. If it looks brutal in a few years from now, then have atter and cut down Bruins decisions... but until then, I cant see how people can rag on them this bad

 

[SanDogBrewin]

He can score, he's atrocious in our own end, all I'm saying is I don't see him translating well. He's been a product of Spears this season.

Gotcha. Most prospects have to work on their backchecking.

 

[BruinsBtn]

You don't genuinely believe they took the three best players do you?

I mean I don't even feel like I need to type anything here, it's clear as day what they didn't do and why they'll regret it for years.

I had Barzal, Konecny and Zboril as the three highest on my list.

Show me yours where you have Boeser ahead of at least 3 guys who were on the board.

Or is it Captain Hindsight talking?

Would this board be any different if the Bruins drafted Meier, Gurianov and Crouse in those 3 slots?

 

[SanDogBrewin]

You don't genuinely believe they took the three best players do you?
it's clear as day what they didn't do and why they'll regret it for years.

Because you are fixated on pre-draft rankings. Nothing is in stone. What Sweeney did do is pick the players what Boston scouts wanted. You have no idea what will happen in 4 years based on pre-draft rankings or this years prospect box score watching.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

You don't genuinely believe they took the three best players do you?

I mean I don't even feel like I need to type anything here, it's clear as day what they didn't do and why they'll regret it for years.

That's the part that gets me. Bruins fans are still defending these picks desperately.
I mean sure, no one has played in the NHL yet so blah blah we can't say anything for sure.
But you have to be seriously homer to not see that as of this moment, the decision to pick these 3 players looks atrocious.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Please show us your pre-draft list. I want to see that your hindsight was foresight.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1882715

My mock draft I posted before the draft. Pretty similar to my rankings.

Barzal at 6, but honestly he was probably closer to 9-10 on my actual list
Connor at 12, but he was definitely top-10

Zboril at 14, he fits well with the Bruins
Debrusk at 27, all I know is that I was praying Montreal didn't draft him and they picked 25th...
Senyshyn at 32, where most people realistically had him

 

[lomiller1]

Well, Boston originally wanted Connor, but he apparently tanked his interview and showed a reluctance to be a part of the organization, which made the Bruins opt for Debrusk.

Yeah Boston is no Winnipeg as far as preferred player destinations go, they definitely need to be sure players won’t sit out for 4 years just to avoid going there.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

too many people claiming they just happened to have 3 of the more talked about guys all conveniently ranked NOW in those slots that Bruins were picking. I highly doubt people knew Boeser would be this good and hell even some mock drafts had Connor ranked later than where Boston was picking(I remember him anywhere between like 11-21ish overall in mock drafts)... the only guy that I remember being ranked before their choices consistently was Barzal

easy to say now who teams should have picked

 

[Anth93]

Regardless of whatever this has become.. Senyshyn is a not a top 6 prospect. Tune into the Erie games if you disagree.

 

[chunkylover53]

Well I remember reading the Bruins draft day thread and when it got there they thought it would be an no brainer to get Barzal/Connor...and then that didn't happen.

 

[lomiller1]

Joking aside

Senyshyn’s low assist totals can be a pretty big red flag because it suggests he doesn’t have the puck on his stick a lot even at the CHL level. If he struggles to touch the puck in Junior then he probably tops out as a 4th line player if he makes the NHL at all. The Jets board has this concern over Lemieaux, but at least his offensive strength is his net-front presence, where you wouldn’t normally expect a lot of assist. For a speed guy, I’d expect to see him transport the puck more which should translate into better assist totals.

 

[Anth93]

Joking aside

Senyshyn’s low assist totals can be a pretty big red flag because it suggests he doesn’t have the puck on his stick a lot even at the CHL level. If he struggles to touch the puck in Junior then he probably tops out as a 4th line player if he makes the NHL at all. The Jets board has this concern over Lemieaux, but at least his offensive strength is his net-front presence, where you wouldn’t normally expect a lot of assist. For a speed guy, I’d expect to see him transport the puck more which should translate into better assist totals.

Grabner 2.0

Plays just like him

 

[Dabruins]

Really dont understand why people waste their time either over defending or aggressively putting down these kids. Million examples of high picks failing and low picks succeeding. One thing is for sure, no one on here can give any sort of absolute positive or negative as to him being an NHL player so why bother getting animated about it?

Kid might turn into a 60 goal scorer at the NHL level, also might never make the NHL and be a complete bust while every kid taken below him makes the HOF... I get its a message board and thats what we do, I just dont understand the people that get worked up about opinions that mean nothing good or bad.

 

[93LEAFS]

too many people claiming they just happened to have 3 of the more talked about guys all conveniently ranked NOW in those slots that Bruins were picking. I highly doubt people knew Boeser would be this good and hell even some mock drafts had Connor ranked later than where Boston was picking(I remember him anywhere between like 11-21ish overall in mock drafts)... the only guy that I remember being ranked before their choices consistently was Barzal

easy to say now who teams should have picked

Here's a list that tries to create a consensus. It indicates they should of gone Barzal, Connor, and Merkley of available players. People are going way over the top bashing Senyshen here, the only players from the 2015 (or later drafts) who outscored him at gpg rate are Debrincat and Marner.

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2015-draft/prospect-consensus-rankings/

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

He actually specified big 10, although I don't believe it to be true. While I don't think Senyshen would rack up Connor like totals, I could see him putting up good numbers if paired with guys like Motte and Compher. For example Scott Conway put up 26 points in 34 games last year as a non-prospect freshman and scored at a lower pace than Tyson Jost in the BCHL this year. Or the fact Kunin and Novak put up good numbers for prospects of their stature.

I'm not sure why people use the linemates propping up Connor thing. Sure conference is an easy one to pick on because there's no doubt the B1G is weaker. But Compher and Motte were nowhere close to the point totals they had before Connor played with them. Connor was over a point per game playing 2nd line off wing with other linemates in his first ~15 games or so. Before playing with Connor, Compher and Motte were never point per game players in their NCAA career.

Sorry for being off topic, on topic. Senyshyn isn't a bad pick. He's a good player with good speed and a knack for the net. Debrusk and Zboril appear to be worse picks so far, but it's only one year after the draft so much can change in a few years. There is no guarantee with any of these players.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Disagree that the picks aren't looking good. They have all looked very good.

They look fine in isolation, but not when you consider where they were picked and the guys they passed on.

I actually like Senyshen, I think he's a low risk pick who is a good bet to make the NHL even if he's not a top 6 player. But Connor, Barzal, Boeser . . . I have a hard time taking him over them. They might have a bit harder time being bottom 6 NHLers, but their ceilings are all a lot higher.

 

[Sigh]

Do Barzal and Connor not have their own threads in here?

 

[SanDogBrewin]

One of the all time draft blunders.

No conclusions of this as a fact until all 3 picks have played in the AHL and NHL. Trying to pass the picks off as the draft blunders based on pre-draft rankings or what the players have done 1st year after the draft is dumb.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

They look fine in isolation, but not when you consider where they were picked and the guys they passed on.

I actually like Senyshen, I think he's a low risk pick who is a good bet to make the NHL even if he's not a top 6 player. But Connor, Barzal, Boeser . . . I have a hard time taking him over them. They might have a bit harder time being bottom 6 NHLers, but their ceilings are all a lot higher.

By watching them play ? Or pre-draft rankings ?