RW Zachary Senyshyn - Sault Ste Marie Greyhounds, OHL (2015, 15th, BOS)

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Bruins got exactly what they wanted with this pick. Goal scorer, something we've been lacking.

Like I said from the beginning, the only pick I wasn't a huge fan of was DeBrusk.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Still pretty inexcusable to pass on Barzal, but it would be nice to see him actually prove people wrong and turn into a solid NHL'er one day.

Will it still be "inexcusable" if Barzal busts? Or are players forever valued at their draft position?

It's good but not anything crazy. A 15th overall pick in his D+1 season should be putting up numbers.

HockeyDB hadn't updated yet then. Doesn't really change the point.

All you really want to see from a prospect is progression from his previous season and that's exactly what Senyshen has been doing. He's one of the most dangerous goal scorers in the OHL this year. Judging a player just on point totals in junior will lead to huge disappointments (Mantha, Bourret, Gagner, Kostitsyn, etc).

 

[bossram]

Will it still be "inexcusable" if Barzal busts? Or are players forever valued at their draft position?


All you really want to see from a prospect is progression from his previous season and that's exactly what Senyshen has been doing. He's one of the most dangerous goal scorers in the OHL this year. Judging a player just on point totals in junior will lead to huge disappointments (Mantha, Bourret, Gagner, Kostitsyn, etc).

Jake Virtanen was a super dangerous scorer once upon a time. Progression is nice yes, but being a PPG in D+1 season does not scream high-upside NHLer. Those kinds of players typically do not make the NHL, let alone become impact players.

I'm not making a prediction on how he turns out. But based on historical precedents, it's really not impressive.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Jake Virtanen was a super dangerous scorer once upon a time. Progression is nice yes, but being a PPG in D+1 season does not scream high-upside NHLer. Those kinds of players typically do not make the NHL, let alone become impact players.

I'm not making a prediction on how he turns out. But based on historical precedents, it's really not impressive.

And you missed the point with your Virtanen example. Virtanen did the complete opposite of "progress" in his draft +1. Senyshen was a guy who was buried on the 3rd line during his draft year which is why he had a low total. This season he is given more opportunity and he has duplicated his goal total from last season in just 37 games (3rd overall in the league). That's what you want to see from a prospect.

 

[CraigBillington]

Jake Virtanen was a super dangerous scorer once upon a time. Progression is nice yes, but being a PPG in D+1 season does not scream high-upside NHLer. Those kinds of players typically do not make the NHL, let alone become impact players.

I'm not making a prediction on how he turns out. But based on historical precedents, it's really not impressive.

Except he was drafted to be a goal scorer, which is what he's doing.

 

[BB88]

Jake Virtanen was a super dangerous scorer once upon a time. Progression is nice yes, but being a PPG in D+1 season does not scream high-upside NHLer. Those kinds of players typically do not make the NHL, let alone become impact players.

I'm not making a prediction on how he turns out. But based on historical precedents, it's really not impressive.

Just again a simple question and please answer, is 26 goals in 37 games impressive?


But I do love how everyone want to look at his point totals, bring him down, laugh and say nothing special when he was drafted to be a scorer for Boston and has scored already 26 in 37 games, he scored 26 in 66 games last year.

We know he is a longer project but he is already scoring at top level and was one of the best skaters from his draft.

 

[PIMsCup]

Jake Virtanen was a super dangerous scorer once upon a time. Progression is nice yes, but being a PPG in D+1 season does not scream high-upside NHLer. Those kinds of players typically do not make the NHL, let alone become impact players.

I'm not making a prediction on how he turns out. But based on historical precedents, it's really not impressive.

Note that Senyshyn's D+1 season is only his second year in the O.

 

[93LEAFS]

He's proving doubters wrong, he hasn't passed Barzal or Connor yet, but he's showing that he is a 1st round talent. He's producing like a 15th overall player should, and as a neutral fan I'd be much more questionable about Debrusk. If this board was around in 1998, people would probably be rolling over with laughter with the leafs taking a 2nd to 3rd round talent at 10, it actually turned out to be the smart pick. The opposite how many times did we hear Kabanov, Esposito etc had to be steals when their slips turned out to be warranted.

 

[PIMsCup]

He's proving doubters wrong, he hasn't passed Barzal or Connor yet, but he's showing that he is a 1st round talent. He's producing like a 15th overall player should, and as a neutral fan I'd be much more questionable about Debrusk. If this board was around in 1998, people would probably be rolling over with laughter with the leafs taking a 2nd to 3rd round talent at 10, it actually turned out to be the smart pick. The opposite how many times did we hear Kabanov, Esposito etc had to be steals when their slips turned out to be warranted.

I think he's doing pretty well. 36 pts in 30 games is perfectly acceptable. Keep an eye out for plenty more points from DeBrusk now that he's with the Rebels.

Edit: Sorry. Should be another thread.

 

[93LEAFS]

I think he's doing pretty well. 36 pts in 30 games is perfectly acceptable. Keep an eye out for plenty more points from DeBrusk now that he's with the Rebels.

Edit: Sorry. Should be another thread.

Its more I'm not sold on his skill set, Senysyn has a great skill set and is putting it to use now. I'm more saying that I'd take Senyshyn over DeBrusk, not trying to bash him.

 

[PIMsCup]

Its more I'm not sold on his skill set, Senysyn has a great skill set and is putting it to use now. I'm more saying that I'd take Senyshyn over DeBrusk, not trying to bash him.

Fair enough. Senyshyn's skill set is more my style as well, but I'd still not undersell DeBrusk. My money has him at near the top of the WHL in PPG by the end of the season. Regardless, good luck to both of them. They both look like promising NHL'ers.

 

[bossram]

Just again a simple question and please answer, is 26 goals in 37 games impressive?


But I do love how everyone want to look at his point totals, bring him down, laugh and say nothing special when he was drafted to be a scorer for Boston and has scored already 26 in 37 games, he scored 26 in 66 games last year.

We know he is a longer project but he is already scoring at top level and was one of the best skaters from his draft.

Note that Senyshyn's D+1 season is only his second year in the O.

I'm not making any predictions on him.

But even just looking at goal totals, it doesn't scream elite prospect. Especially not the point totals. For all we know, it might just be a SH% bender (which I think happened to Virtanen in his draft year). Or he might be a super legit powerforward. Maybe he's a late bloomer or something. Who knows.

Just saying, his production so far really isn't anything exceedingly special or even out of the ordinary for a 15th overall pick. Probably underwhelming if anything. I don't think this is that controversial of a statement.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I'm not making any predictions on him.

But even just looking at goal totals, it doesn't scream elite prospect. Especially not the point totals. For all we know, it might just be a SH% bender (which I think happened to Virtanen in his draft year). Or he might be a super legit powerforward. Maybe he's a late bloomer or something. Who knows.

Just saying, his production so far really isn't anything exceedingly special or even out of the ordinary for a 15th overall pick. Probably underwhelming if anything. I don't think this is that controversial of a statement.

Third in the league in goals is underwhelming? You have high standards. It's safe to say Senyshen will never put up a high points total and he's a pure goal scorer, so you really should stop judging him on that.

 

[2011 Stanley cup]

I'm not making any predictions on him.

But even just looking at goal totals, it doesn't scream elite prospect. Especially not the point totals. For all we know, it might just be a SH% bender (which I think happened to Virtanen in his draft year). Or he might be a super legit powerforward. Maybe he's a late bloomer or something. Who knows.

Just saying, his production so far really isn't anything exceedingly special or even out of the ordinary for a 15th overall pick. Probably underwhelming if anything. I don't think this is that controversial of a statement.

so outscore for goals Strome, Meier, Crouse, Debrusk, Barzal,Svechnikov, Konecky ect... a couple by a wide margin isn't special ? so how those player are ? I'm sure if most of them had his number a lot of people will say what a good season they have !

I'm not saying he's a better prospect but with all the crap the Bruins receive he surely put some light on why the Bruins pick him.

 

[Fire Sweeney]

Just again a simple question and please answer, is 26 goals in 37 games impressive?


But I do love how everyone want to look at his point totals, bring him down, laugh and say nothing special when he was drafted to be a scorer for Boston and has scored already 26 in 37 games, he scored 26 in 66 games last year.

We know he is a longer project but he is already scoring at top level and was one of the best skaters from his draft.

If they wanted a scorer for Boston, then they should have looked elsewhere. You can't score goals playing like that in the NHL. His stationary scoring is non-existent, as are his play-making skills. Jared Knight all over again.

 

[2011 Stanley cup]

If they wanted a scorer for Boston, then they should have looked elsewhere. You can't score goals playing like that in the NHL. His stationary scoring is non-existent, as are his play-making skills. Jared Knight all over again.

You lost all credibility (if any) here !!! maybe you never see him play a single minute !

 

[DKH]

You lost all credibility (if any) here !!! maybe you never see him play a single minute !

We love Fire Sweeney at the Bruins Board we just never are sure what he will say

Sensyshn looks like he will be a big power winger who will go to the net and get there in a hurry - has very good hands and hockey sense

Gym rat

Dominic Tiano who covers the OHL and is on the Bruins board had this guy as a first round sleeper and guy to watch when he was consistently showing up in the mid seconds

Lot to like

 

[BB88]

I'm not making any predictions on him.

But even just looking at goal totals, it doesn't scream elite prospect. Especially not the point totals. For all we know, it might just be a SH% bender (which I think happened to Virtanen in his draft year). Or he might be a super legit powerforward. Maybe he's a late bloomer or something. Who knows.

Just saying, his production so far really isn't anything exceedingly special or even out of the ordinary for a 15th overall pick. Probably underwhelming if anything. I don't think this is that controversial of a statement.

So being one of the best scorers in the OHL is disappointing to you?
Like the way you think.

And again we know he's a longer project which will take time.

 

[Beesfan]

If they wanted a scorer for Boston, then they should have looked elsewhere. You can't score goals playing like that in the NHL. His stationary scoring is non-existent, as are his play-making skills. Jared Knight all over again.

How about Jake Debrusk. He scored 42 goals in the WHL, and most were from dirty areas. I'm guessing you'll say Debrusk can't skate well enough to score goals in the NHL. Classic catch 22.

 

[WreckItRask]

Jake Virtanen was a super dangerous scorer once upon a time. Progression is nice yes, but being a PPG in D+1 season does not scream high-upside NHLer. Those kinds of players typically do not make the NHL, let alone become impact players.

I'm not making a prediction on how he turns out. But based on historical precedents, it's really not impressive.

I think the bolded is typically true, but it's true for overagers moreso than D+1 players in the CHL. I'm not blown away when a 20 year old lights it up against kids for the first time in his career. Senyshyn is still only 18, and he's barely played 100 games of Major Junior...it's not like he's been around toiling as a prospect forever before finally figuring it out.

Here are my thoughts...I'm not sure that his success this year is a concrete indicator that he's going to be able to replicate in the NHL...none of us know that. But if he WASN'T scoring this year now that he's been given more opportunity, then that would be a major cause for concern for sure.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

How about Jake Debrusk. He scored 42 goals in the WHL, and most were from dirty areas. I'm guessing you'll say Debrusk can't skate well enough.

That is too much reasoning for him.

But even just looking at goal totals, it doesn't scream elite prospect. Especially not the point totals.

Just saying, his production so far really isn't anything exceedingly special or even out of the ordinary for a 15th overall pick. Probably underwhelming if anything.

^That^ is hilarious right there. Senyshyn is 3rd in goals scored in the OHL.

 

[MardyBum]

He's doing good. He's third in the O in goals, but probably wont finish there with some of the players behind him who've played less games.

People make way too much of a deal about Junior. He doesnt need to go 2.0ppg. He's not getting the easier matchups this year and he's still producing.

If he were regressing I could understand the jabs, but he's not.

 

[bossram]

He's doing good. He's third in the O in goals, but probably wont finish there with some of the players behind him who've played less games.

People make way too much of a deal about Junior. He doesnt need to go 2.0ppg. He's not getting the easier matchups this year and he's still producing.

If he were regressing I could understand the jabs, but he's not.

They're not even jabs though.

It's people (like me) just saying "I have some cautious reservations about this player picked at this position because...."

If anything, it's Boston fans getting super ********. Go ahead and criticize all the Canucks prospects you want. Everyone has some faults to overcome.

 

[BB88]

They're not even jabs though.

It's people (like me) just saying "I have some cautious reservations about this player picked at this position because...."

If anything, it's Boston fans getting super ********. Go ahead and criticize all the Canucks prospects you want. Everyone has some faults to overcome.

None of us are here calling him an elite prospect, you don't get elite prospects with 15th picks, you're the one who's trying to beat him down when he is one of the best scorers in the OHL.

Seny is a pick that can really be looked at in a few years, he is a project and takes time, but he is doing better than I expected, matching his goal totals in 30 les games, but again you keep beating that down.

 

[bossram]

None of us are here calling him an elite prospect, you don't get elite prospects with 15th picks, you're the one who's trying to beat him down when he is one of the best scorers in the OHL.

Seny is a pick that can really be looked at in a few years, he is a project and takes time, but he is doing better than I expected, matching his goal totals in 30 les games, but again you keep beating that down.

Last post then I'll stay out of this thread.

I disagree with the bolded. I don't think saying "I don't think he's a super impressive prospect" = "I think he's a bad prospect".