RW Tyler Boucher - Belleville Senators, AHL (2021, 10th, OTT)

[Leafshater67]

Nice lazy comparison. Tyler Biggs is also retired, so I'm not sure he's going to be watching him play.

Some of you have to relax. The guy has played three months of games since being drafted. It was explained multiple times before and I believe was said before the season that a tougher season should be expected. Going so overboard because a guy has had two months of bad stats is insane. Prospect development isn't always linear. And there's a human element to all of this, as well. Maybe the guy is going through a rough time away from the rink or has a nagging injury thats hampering him. The point is that it's stupid to overreact to a small sample and it's really quite ridiculous to be calling a player a bust because their counting stats three months into their D+1 are below what's expected.

You don’t draft a character player for his grit at 10th overall. They should have traded down if they wanted him so bad and remember that I told you so when he reaches a career high of like 10 goals in a season.

Drafting guys because they’re big and strong as teenagers is a mistake. Draft on skill, speed, hockey sense, whatever but early physical development is a mistake, especially as a top 10 pick. They reached way too far for a player who isn’t worth of top 10 and there’ll be players right after him who greatly outperform him. If they wanted a middle 6 grinder, they should have trades for one instead of burning a top 10 pick on one.

 

[sennysensen]

I don't normally judge drafts for 3-4 years after the pick. But this was a terrible pick. The Sens usually draft very well. I hope this pick wasn't the Pierre McGuire effect, a guy whose massive ego gives him the desire to show he's smarter than everybody. It's almost like they didn't really scout the 2021 draft. It was hard due to lack of players playing, maybe Melnyk was too cheap to buy the scouts video of the players. The whole 2021 draft looks like a joke for the Sens, when typically they draft very well.
Here's hoping their amateur scouts return to form in 2022. At least they can watch the players.
Using the Bob McKenzie list for 2021 would have had far better results than their entire off the board draft.
Drafting is so important for Sens, as it's all they have, given their horrible pro scouting, lack of money, and insane owner that few players want to play for.

 

[BondraTime]

I don't normally judge drafts for 3-4 years after the pick. But this was a terrible pick. The Sens usually draft very well. I hope this pick wasn't the Pierre McGuire effect, a guy whose massive ego gives him the desire to show he's smarter than everybody. It's almost like they didn't really scout the 2021 draft. It was hard due to lack of players playing, maybe Melnyk was too cheap to buy the scouts video of the players. The whole 2021 draft looks like a joke for the Sens, when typically they draft very well.
Here's hoping their amateur scouts return to form in 2022. At least they can watch the players.
Using the Bob McKenzie list for 2021 would have had far better results than their entire off the board draft.
Drafting is so important for Sens, as it's all they have, given their horrible pro scouting, lack of money, and insane owner that few players want to play for.

McGuire was hired a week before the draft, he had zero impact on their draft list.

If he had any input on the draft, it certainly wasn’t their 10th overall selection.

 

[Vide]

This feels very similar to the Lawson Crouse pick in 2015. Teams never learn eh?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You don’t draft a character player for his grit at 10th overall. They should have traded down if they wanted him so bad and remember that I told you so when he reaches a career high of like 10 goals in a season.

Drafting guys because they’re big and strong as teenagers is a mistake. Draft on skill, speed, hockey sense, whatever but early physical development is a mistake, especially as a top 10 pick. They reached way too far for a player who isn’t worth of top 10 and there’ll be players right after him who greatly outperform him. If they wanted a middle 6 grinder, they should have trades for one instead of burning a top 10 pick on one.

I can guarantee you he wasn't drafted because he was big and strong. You are allowed to disagree with the selection, but don't distort the reason he was selected.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

This feels very similar to the Lawson Crouse pick in 2015. Teams never learn eh?

Sens probably picked him with exactly that type of player in mind - a 3rd liner who can dominate physically and chip in a point every 2-3 games or so.

 

[Vide]

Sens probably picked him with exactly that type of player in mind - a 3rd liner who can dominate physically and chip in a point every 2-3 games or so.

Well I guess the one consolation is that they at least didn't pass up on a Barzal or Connor type talent with this pick.

There were better players available but I don't see anyone picked behind Boucher that screams elite 1st line forward.

Coronato will probably be pretty good though.

 

[ponder]

Well I guess the one consolation is that they at least didn't pass up on a Barzal or Connor type talent with this pick.

There were better players available but I don't see anyone picked behind Boucher that screams elite 1st line forward.

Coronato will probably be pretty good though.

Yeah, obviously it’s not like the Boston trio from the Barzal/Connor/Chabot year, but it still looks like a very poor pick. Next 2 players picked were Sillinger and Coronato, and they’re both looking MUCH better than Boucher so far. Sillinger may not be flashy, but he’s already a quality NHLer at 18, I certainly think he has the potential to be a legit 1st liner.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Well I guess the one consolation is that they at least didn't pass up on a Barzal or Connor type talent with this pick.

There were better players available but I don't see anyone picked behind Boucher that screams elite 1st line forward.

Coronato will probably be pretty good though.

Cole Sillinger. Or the opportunity to take a top goalie. It hurts.

 

[Dominance]

This feels very similar to the Lawson Crouse pick in 2015. Teams never learn eh?

Pretty sure Crouse was a vastly better prospect, though. He went right where he was ranked. Boucher was at least a full-round reach, if not two.

 

[wetcoast]

I can guarantee you he wasn't drafted because he was big and strong. You are allowed to disagree with the selection, but don't distort the reason he was selected.

Why do you think he was drafted then?

For his hockey sense, scoring capability?

Of course his size and strength were major reasons he was drafted.

 

[Vide]

Yeah, obviously it’s not like the Boston trio from the Barzal/Connor/Chabot year, but it still looks like a very poor pick. Next 2 players picked were Sillinger and Coronato, and they’re both looking MUCH better than Boucher so far. Sillinger may not be flashy, but he’s already a quality NHLer at 18, I certainly think he has the potential to be a legit 1st liner.

I really like Coronato but I'm not sold on Sillinger. I mean he's more than likely going to be a better player than Boucher but I don't see massive upside there. Probably a low-end 1st liner or elite 2nd liner. I think he's probably a bit overrated because he made the NHL right away. But yeah, definitely a top6 forward, which is more than you can say for Boucher.

Pretty sure Crouse was a vastly better prospect, though. He went right where he was ranked. Boucher was at least a full-round reach, if not two.

Fair comment and I agree to an extent, but Crouse was massively overrated by scouts that year, and you don't need hindsight to make that statement. If last season was normal it's also possible Boucher would've been rated more highly.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Why do you think he was drafted then?

For his hockey sense, scoring capability?

Of course his size and strength were major reasons he was drafted.

He was drafted for a combination of size, speed, physical play, and skill.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Pretty sure Crouse was a vastly better prospect, though. He went right where he was ranked. Boucher was at least a full-round reach, if not two.

Can you show me a reputable list that had Boucher ranked 70?

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Can you show me a reputable list that had Boucher ranked 70?

the mine - 64th.

 

[SensontheRush]

I don't normally judge drafts for 3-4 years after the pick. But this was a terrible pick. The Sens usually draft very well. I hope this pick wasn't the Pierre McGuire effect, a guy whose massive ego gives him the desire to show he's smarter than everybody. It's almost like they didn't really scout the 2021 draft. It was hard due to lack of players playing, maybe Melnyk was too cheap to buy the scouts video of the players. The whole 2021 draft looks like a joke for the Sens, when typically they draft very well.
Here's hoping their amateur scouts return to form in 2022. At least they can watch the players.
Using the Bob McKenzie list for 2021 would have had far better results than their entire off the board draft.
Drafting is so important for Sens, as it's all they have, given their horrible pro scouting, lack of money, and insane owner that few players want to play for.

I just wanted to say, that if anything, it feels like they OVERSCOUTED the 2021 draft.

Every pick was off board, some if not most had derailed/unplayed seasons.

Kool-Aid? Trust in the sauce? Not communicating with the scouting community?

 

[wetcoast]

He was drafted for a combination of size, speed, physical play, and skill.

So basically size and strength that can skate

Here is one scouting report on him

Scouting Report: Tyler Boucher - Smaht Scouting

It wouldn’t come as an overly large surprise to see a team take a bit of a reach on Boucher, perhaps as early as the middle of the second round

. His skillset is relatively difficult to come by nowadays, and it can prove to be quite useful come playoff time.

Heck even on a pro Sens website he was ranked 21st in the system after being the 10th overall pick for the Sens.

https://www.silversevensens.com/202...-25-21-tyler-boucher-ottawa-senators-sens-nhl

 

[cudi]

Not many Sens fans think he was a good pick, but we're also not gonna write him off just because the scouts reached on him. From what I read, most Sens fans are just hoping for the best and expecting the worst.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

So basically size and strength that can skate

Here is one scouting report on him

Scouting Report: Tyler Boucher - Smaht Scouting



Heck even on a pro Sens website he was ranked 21st in the system after being the 10th overall pick for the Sens.

Top 25 Under 25, #21: Tyler Boucher

No, you basically distorted what was said to suit your faulty narrative.

You’ve cited what amounts to two blogs. Maybe they are knowledgeable people. I wouldn’t know, but they are not considered among the biggest names in this business. I’m not sure those two citations would count as reputable. Maybe I’m wrong though and these are two of the best assessors in the business.

Bob McKenzie’s list, which tells us how the draft will most likely play out, had Boucher at 29. Anyone surprised he went in the first round wasn’t paying attention. I didn’t even claim he wasn’t over-drafted. I think he clearly was. It doesn’t mean his game is all about size and strength. He was clearly drafted where he was because the team thinks he’s better than you’ve credited him for being. Even if he was only the 29th pick, he would be viewed by those that selected him as having more tools to his game than size and strength.

 

[BondraTime]

So basically size and strength that can skate

Here is one scouting report on him

Scouting Report: Tyler Boucher - Smaht Scouting



Heck even on a pro Sens website he was ranked 21st in the system after being the 10th overall pick for the Sens.

Top 25 Under 25, #21: Tyler Boucher

I mean Silver Sens are the same bloggers who said Sanderson was the 2nd biggest reach of the entire 2020 draft.

Their “model”…had 5 of the Sens 2020 picks as the biggest reaches, all 5 of which have exceeded their draft spot or expectations since the draft.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.sil...rt-1-biggest-steals-and-reaches-list-accuracy

They don’t like anything that doesn’t agree with consensus lists. And they whine mercilessly when it happens, and are usually made to look foolish shortly thereafter.

Boucher was a bad pick, without a doubt. He’s nowhere near 21st on the Sens system.

 

[Silky Johnson]

the mine - 64th.

He said reputable

 

[wetcoast]

No, you basically distorted what was said to suit your faulty narrative.

You’ve cited what amounts to two blogs. Maybe they are knowledgeable people. I wouldn’t know, but they are not considered among the biggest names in this business. I’m not sure those two citations would count as reputable. Maybe I’m wrong though and these are two of the best assessors in the business.

Bob McKenzie’s list, which tells us how the draft will most likely play out, had Boucher at 29. Anyone surprised he went in the first round wasn’t paying attention. I didn’t even claim he wasn’t over-drafted. I think he clearly was. It doesn’t mean his game is all about size and strength. He was clearly drafted where he was because the team thinks he’s better than you’ve credited him for being. Even if he was only the 29th pick, he would be viewed by those that selected him as having more tools to his game than size and strength.

29th pick is a long way from 10th and let's face it if he played the exact type of game and had the same skillset but was an inch or 2 shorter and 15lbs lighter he wouldn't have sniffed the 2nd round.

It's not an all or nothing thing either but his size and strength makes his game more appealing for the NHL...if it all translates.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

29th pick is a long way from 10th and let's face it if he played the exact type of game and had the same skillset but was an inch or 2 shorter and 15lbs lighter he wouldn't have sniffed the 2nd round.

It's not an all or nothing thing either but his size and strength makes his game more appealing for the NHL...if it all translates.

If he didn’t have size and strength, he would have likely been picked around 29th, where L’Heureux went at 27. The size and strength does matter. That’s likely why Ottawa reached, but he’s not a third round pick with average size and strength.

 

[Leafshater67]

I can guarantee you he wasn't drafted because he was big and strong. You are allowed to disagree with the selection, but don't distort the reason he was selected.

It surely wasn’t because of his scoring, offensive game, skating or puck skill so if not that, then that doesn’t leave much.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Not many Sens fans think he was a good pick, but we're also not gonna write him off just because the scouts reached on him. From what I read, most Sens fans are just hoping for the best and expecting the worst.

He was a reach but if I recall correctly there was at least one other team considering taking him high. NHL GMs are constantly looking for a unicorn. In today's game it's a Tom Wilson type. I'm not saying Boucher will get to that level. The chances are he busts, but that's the thought process behind the pick. The Sens swung for the fences in a draft where a good chunk of the first round isn't going to pan out anyway.