RW Tyler Boucher - Belleville Senators, AHL (2021, 10th, OTT)

[Stewie Griffin]

I'd probably want him spending 3 years in college he'd turn pro in the 2023-2024 season and spend another year or two in the AHL.
He's gotta pick it up offensively and be a beast at the world Juniors.

Couple things I'd like to chip in here:
a) 3 years in college plus another 2 in the AHL would be extremely disappointing for a 10th overall selection, but I guess everyone develops differently
b) There's a more than likely chance he doesn't even make the world juniors this year, let alone be an offensive beast

 

[NHL Dude 120]

Couple things I'd like to chip in here:
a) 3 years in college plus another 2 in the AHL would be extremely disappointing for a 10th overall selection, but I guess everyone develops differently
b) There's a more than likely chance he doesn't even make the world juniors this year, let alone be an offensive beast

Sorry meant to say 2 more years playing three years total. And that's a dissapointment.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

5 years total for someone like Boucher makes sense.

He's in year 1. 2 more years in NCAA then one year half split in NHL and AHL then the following year full-time a la Kreider.

We'll see Boucher in the NHL 3 years from now. And a notable factor in year 4. That's likely when Ottawa is firing on all cylinders and Boucher can be a key cog just exiting his ELC.

Kreider is a great comparable of how Boucher will likely track his path to NHL.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I wonder if things don't turn around for him if he'll consider pulling a Coyle/Bellows and leaving for the CHL.

Ottawa 67s have his rights. Could develop/train in Ottawa while getting more offensive opportunities and puck touches than at BU.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

I wonder if things don't turn around for him if he'll consider pulling a Coyle/Bellows and leaving for the CHL.

Ottawa 67s have his rights. Could develop/train in Ottawa while getting more offensive opportunities and puck touches than at BU.

As a power-forward type he's better off developing his physical side in the NCAA where he can play against older/stronger players. While the OHL would allow him to score a little more, he brings more to a game than just that.

 

[Hale The Villain]

As a power-forward type he's better off developing his physical side in the NCAA where he can play against older/stronger players. While the OHL would allow him to score a little more, he brings more to a game than just that.

On the flipside he plays less games in college, gets less ice time and less opportunities to touch the puck and develop offensively.

I'm fine if he turns things around and stays in college, but if he continues to struggle offensively a change would be beneficial, even if it's a step down in competition.

 

[Preposterone]

On the flipside he plays less games in college, gets less ice time and less opportunities to touch the puck and develop offensively.

I'm fine if he turns things around and stays in college, but if he continues to struggle offensively a change would be beneficial, even if it's a step down in competition.

the reverse double cross flip side of that is playing 40ish games in the ncaa leaves a TON of opportunity for training and nutrition at programs that are academic leaders in kinesiology

 

[Hale The Villain]

the reverse double cross flip side of that is playing 40ish games in the ncaa leaves a TON of opportunity for training and nutrition at programs that are academic leaders in kinesiology

Boucher is pretty much the exact opposite of a player that needs to stay in college for advanced training and nutrition.

He's the son of an NHLer and has been getting advanced training his whole life. Kid is 6'1, 205 and built like a brick ****house.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

the reverse double cross flip side of that is playing 40ish games in the ncaa leaves a TON of opportunity for training and nutrition at programs that are academic leaders in kinesiology

if I'm not mistaking, playing in the OHL would get him free years of college, with Carleton, one of the better University right next door. He can continue his academics while playing in the OHL (lots of guys do this, actually had college classes with a guy who transferred from the NCAA to the OHL mid season), while potentially getting access to the Senator's pro facilities from time to time.

Powerforwards don't usually have that big of problems getting stronger, but developing offensive skills they do.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Couple things I'd like to chip in here:
a) 3 years in college plus another 2 in the AHL would be extremely disappointing for a 10th overall selection, but I guess everyone develops differently
b) There's a more than likely chance he doesn't even make the world juniors this year, let alone be an offensive beast

First thing - obviously Boucher isn't your typical 10th overall. I look at the 2019 draft, where apparently Lassi Thomson was 19th on Ottawa's list and they made him the 19th selection. If they have pick 18, and Boucher and Lassi are on the table (we need to use our imaginations a bit here) I am not sure they take either guy over Harley. Almost certainly at 17 they would have taken Krebs. So I think Boucher needs to be viewed in that context - for better or worse, the Sens didn't love what they could get after 9 in this draft, and so they took a guy who they were confident would fill a need down the road. I think most people don't love that as an approach to drafting, but I do think its a reality of the situation and one that should be acknowledged if we are to have a clear picture of what went into the selection.

Secondly, there are plenty of top 15 pick FWDs who have taken 4-5yrs and turned out just fine. Blake Wheeler didn't play in the NHL until 5 seasons post-draft; Grabner wasn't a full-time NHLer until 5-years post-draft; Couture took 4-yrs; Eller took 4-yrs; Kadri took 5 years; Kassian took 5 years; Nino took 4-yrs; Schwartz took 4-yrs; R. Strome took 4yrs; JT Miller took 5yrs; I could go on.

Also, no one expects him to dominate offensively in the WJHC and no one said that - the hope is that he will be a presence (and, of course, be present!)

 

[Stewie Griffin]

First thing - obviously Boucher isn't your typical 10th overall. I look at the 2019 draft, where apparently Lassi Thomson was 19th on Ottawa's list and they made him the 19th selection. If they have pick 18, and Boucher and Lassi are on the table (we need to use our imaginations a bit here) I am not sure they take either guy over Harley. Almost certainly at 17 they would have taken Krebs. So I think Boucher needs to be viewed in that context - for better or worse, the Sens didn't love what they could get after 9 in this draft, and so they took a guy who they were confident would fill a need down the road.

Secondly, there are plenty of top 15 picks who have taken 4-5yrs and turned out just fine. Blake Wheeler didn't play in the NHL until 5 seasons post-draft; Grabner wasn't a full-time NHLer until 5-years post-draft; Couture took 4-yrs; Eller took 4-yrs; Kadri took 5 years; Kassian took 5 years; Nino took 4-yrs; Schwartz took 4-yrs; R. Strome took 4yrs; JT Miller took 5yrs; I could go on.

Also, no one expects him to dominate offensively in the WJHC and no one said that - the hope is that he will be a presence (and, of course, be present!)

Okay you're really nitpicking on that first paragraph, by combining drafts and making a theoretical scenario. Either way, he was taken 10th overall, and should be assessed as one. Sure he fills a need, but it's still disappointing when your top-10 pick takes 5 years to make the league. Whether or not he makes an impact in 10 years is a whole different story...we're talking about right now.

And as for your third paragraph...the poster I was replying to said Boucher had to pick it up and be a beast at the World Juniors, which is why I said what I said. Boucher has the odds against him as of right now to even make the team, let alone be a difference maker.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Okay you're really nitpicking on that first paragraph, by combining drafts and making a theoretical scenario. Either way, he was taken 10th overall, and should be assessed as one. Sure he fills a need, but it's still disappointing when your top-10 pick takes 5 years to make the league. Whether or not he makes an impact in 10 years is a whole different story...we're talking about right now.

And as for your third paragraph...the poster I was replying to said Boucher had to pick it up and be a beast at the World Juniors, which is why I said what I said. Boucher has the odds against him as of right now to even make the team, let alone be a difference maker.

A beast, yes. Not an offensive beast. Either way, no one is saying he is guaranteed to be that for them… just that it should be a goal.

All I will say is that I totally disagree that a 10th OV is disappointing if they take several years to make the NHL, and I promise the Sens felt the same when making this pick.

 

[SENStastic]

Boucher: 6’1”, 205, 2P in 12 NCAA GP

Sillinger: 6’0”, 190, 8P in 13 NHL GP

Just a classic case of a team outsmarting itself.

Ok but what about the Hits? How many does each have? Because that's what matters the most to Sens management, there is a certain character mold and style of play they care about the more than offensive upside or skill level. Points aren't that important these days anyways.

 

[wetcoast]

5 years total for someone like Boucher makes sense.

He's in year 1. 2 more years in NCAA then one year half split in NHL and AHL then the following year full-time a la Kreider.

We'll see Boucher in the NHL 3 years from now. And a notable factor in year 4. That's likely when Ottawa is firing on all cylinders and Boucher can be a key cog just exiting his ELC.

Kreider is a great comparable of how Boucher will likely track his path to NHL.

Sure except Krieder went 19th in a weaker draft so it that's his ceiling it was a waste of an asset, especially since they reached in the second round as well.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Sure except Krieder went 19th in a weaker draft so it that's his ceiling it was a waste of an asset, especially since they reached in the second round as well.

I dont think Boucher will be as good as Krieder but no team in the league is disappointed if they end up with Krieder out of a 10th OV pick in any draft

 

[wetcoast]

Ok but what about the Hits? How many does each have? Because that's what matters the most to Sens management, there is a certain character mold and style of play they care about the more than offensive upside or skill level. Points aren't that important these days anyways.

10th overall, you take the BPA, for a 4th line guy who hits you pick him in the 3rd round maybe.

Just a bad pick at the time and isn't getting any better.

I think he ends up more like Dylan McIlrath, whom the NYR picked over a perceived need rather than Cam Fowler who they (and almost everyone else) had as the higher ranked player.

But they felt that McIlrath filled a "need"

 

[SENStastic]

10th overall, you take the BPA, for a 4th line guy who hits you pick him in the 3rd round maybe.

Just a bad pick at the time and isn't getting any better.

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[wetcoast]

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[SENStastic]

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it means I agree dude, you took my initial comment too literally

 

[3 Minute Minor]

First thing - obviously Boucher isn't your typical 10th overall. I look at the 2019 draft, where apparently Lassi Thomson was 19th on Ottawa's list and they made him the 19th selection. If they have pick 18, and Boucher and Lassi are on the table (we need to use our imaginations a bit here) I am not sure they take either guy over Harley. Almost certainly at 17 they would have taken Krebs. So I think Boucher needs to be viewed in that context - for better or worse, the Sens didn't love what they could get after 9 in this draft, and so they took a guy who they were confident would fill a need down the road. I think most people don't love that as an approach to drafting, but I do think its a reality of the situation and one that should be acknowledged if we are to have a clear picture of what went into the selection.

Secondly, there are plenty of top 15 pick FWDs who have taken 4-5yrs and turned out just fine. Blake Wheeler didn't play in the NHL until 5 seasons post-draft; Grabner wasn't a full-time NHLer until 5-years post-draft; Couture took 4-yrs; Eller took 4-yrs; Kadri took 5 years; Kassian took 5 years; Nino took 4-yrs; Schwartz took 4-yrs; R. Strome took 4yrs; JT Miller took 5yrs; I could go on.

Also, no one expects him to dominate offensively in the WJHC and no one said that - the hope is that he will be a presence (and, of course, be present!)

That bolded part gives me flashbacks to Toronto picking Tyler Biggs. It was a bit later in the 1st round but the Leafs & their fanbase thought Toronto made a smart decision by going with a "safe bet" to make the NHL with the crash n bang complimentary winger rather than going with someone like Rickard Rakell who was a bit more high risk high reward.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

That bolded part gives me flashbacks to Toronto picking Tyler Biggs. It was a bit later in the 1st round but the Leafs & their fanbase thought Toronto made a smart decision by going with a "safe bet" to make the NHL with the crash n bang complimentary winger rather than going with someone like Rickard Rakell who was a bit more high risk high reward.View attachment 481322View attachment 481323

Fair argument but Boucher is notably more skilled.

 

[wetcoast]

Fair argument but Boucher is notably more skilled.

That must be why Boucher clearly out produced Biggs at every level and even played internationally as well...wait what that's bass ackwards.

 

[Masked]

That must be why Boucher clearly out produced Biggs at every level and even played internationally as well...wait what that's bass ackwards.

Doesn't look like Biggs outproduced Boucher in their age 17 year.

As for playing internationally, there was this little thing called a pandemic that cancelled some international tournaments and Boucher was injured/sick.

Assen na yo!

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

That must be why Boucher clearly out produced Biggs at every level and even played internationally as well...wait what that's bass ackwards.

Mr. statwatcher, u got ur numbers wrong, lol. Boucher doubled biggs' numbers as 17 year old. Small sample size tho. Also, watch them play. Diff players. Biggs was big lumbering PF. Boucher is a quick, shifty, responsible bruising forward. Much softer hands.

 

[bert]

On the flipside he plays less games in college, gets less ice time and less opportunities to touch the puck and develop offensively.

I'm fine if he turns things around and stays in college, but if he continues to struggle offensively a change would be beneficial, even if it's a step down in competition.

At this rate he should really be considering a switch. Ottawa is one of the top Jr programs in the CHL and has a great ownership, culture, management and coaching staff.

How much icetime is he averaging this season?