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RW Pavel Buchnevich (2013, 75th, NYR)

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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Also, while Kuznetsov might have been great in Russia as a prospect and in the international tournaments, he's 23 years old with nearly 100 NHL games, and he's not even a .5 PPG player.

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I also think you are overstating how hard it is to be a top 6 NHL forward early in your career. Kevin Hayes was one last season (although he played on the third line), without any previous professional experience prior to the season. The top level players usually can come into the NHL in their early 20's and produce at the level of a second line winger or center.

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You are making it seem like I am trying to disparage Tarasenko and Kuznetsov, which I am not. They are very good players. My opinion is more about the constant underrating of Buchnevich by KHL followers because he's not the type of big name player that Tarasenko and Kuznetsov were, while non-KHL followers underrate him because he plays in Russia and they don't watch him play, while also underrating him because he wasn't high on Craig Button or Bob McKenzie or any of these guy's draft lists in his draft year, while also not being drafted high, which doesn't matter at all now. He has been relatively unheralded for years, and he's turned himself into a really good hockey player. I think its time that he starts to get the praise that he deserves, which you don't seem to want to give him.

I respect your knowledge of the KHL, but you being an avid KHL fan and me being more of an NHL fan who watches the KHL at certain times does not mean your opinion means a lot more than mine.
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With all due respect, it really is quite hard to take your opinion seriously when you yourself write that one of the best Russian young players, KHL and WJC star is "23 years old with nearly 100 NHL games, and he's not even a .5 PPG player" and just a few paragraphs later state "I also think you are overstating how hard it is to be a top 6 NHL forward early in your career" :facepalm: Especially when Kuznetsov and Buchnevich are so similar in many regards.

I don't know why would any KHL follower underrate him. That just doesn't make much sense. Obviously he's a big name. It's like saying people underestimate Stamkos just because he isn't as big as Crosby. That's just not true. Casual KHL fans might underrate him because he plays for Severstal and they never get to watch him but I doubt it applies for people on this board.

Surely I agree my opinion isn't above yours in any way. But no Russian poster argued with the ranking Zine listed, they seem to agree with it and I think the opinion of a whole group of people weights a bit more than yours.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
8 points in 11 games to start the season. Doing whatever he wants to on the ice. If the Rangers are able to add him at the trade deadline, given that Severstal is terrible and very unlikely to make the playoffs, it would probably be a bigger upgrade than any trade acquisition will be. This guy is a legit top 6 NHL forward right now.
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Buch's contract runs until 30-th of April and is a two-way deal, so that means that, even if he is not traded to a play-off KHL team, he still can be sent down to Severstal's VHL and MHL affiliates after Severstal's season is over.
 
SoundAndFury said:
With all due respect, it really is quite hard to take your opinion seriously when you yourself write that one of the best Russian young players, KHL and WJC star is "23 years old with nearly 100 NHL games, and he's not even a .5 PPG player" and just a few paragraphs later state "I also think you are overstating how hard it is to be a top 6 NHL forward early in your career" :facepalm: Especially when Kuznetsov and Buchnevich are so similar in many regards.
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Why compare him to Kuznetsov though in this aspect? Plenty of players with similar skill-sets come into the NHL at 20 years old and can put up 40-50 points really easily. Thats what top players should be doing. It also doesn't hurt when you are playing with players like Nash, Stepan, Kreider, Brassard, Zuccarello in a very good top six that is just missing one winger.

Maybe he'd struggle in the adjustment to NA and NA ice, similar to Kuznetsov, but if we are to speak only about his talent to put up 40-50 points immediately, he should be able to do that.
 
What? This guy still playing in the KHL? What a bummer. I thought he crossed the pond after the last season.

Probaby he never will.

- Russian, only too Russian. And I happen to know quite a bit about this thing called "Russian". It is one weird specimen, weird and tangeled indeed.

It is a riddle,
wrapped in a mystery,
inside an enigma.

And you will never figure it out for real. :shakehead
 
Loffer said:
What? This guy still playing in the KHL? What a bummer. I thought he crossed the pond after the last season.

Probaby he never will.

- Russian, only too Russian. And I happen to know quite a bit about this thing called "Russian". It is one weird specimen, weird and tangeled indeed.

It is a riddle,
wrapped in a mystery,
inside an enigma.

And you will never figure it out for real. :shakehead
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:laugh:

He's 20 years old....now, ready to have your mind blown? Tarasenko left the KHL at 21, a russian! Wrap your head around that one for awhile.
 
Loffer said:
What? This guy still playing in the KHL? What a bummer. I thought he crossed the pond after the last season.

Probaby he never will.

- Russian, only too Russian. And I happen to know quite a bit about this thing called "Russian". It is one weird specimen, weird and tangeled indeed.

It is a riddle,
wrapped in a mystery,
inside an enigma.

And you will never figure it out for real. :shakehead
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I hope this is humor.
 
He's been playing so well, and then his teammate ****ing runs him when he's skating with the puck across the ice. Absolute moron injured him. Hopefully its not a concussion.
 
FLYLine24 said:
:laugh:

He's 20 years old....now, ready to have your mind blown? Tarasenko left the KHL at 21, a russian! Wrap your head around that one for awhile.
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Tarasenko crossed the pond two years after his draft year. The only reason he was 21 was because of the lockout which delayed the season. He was 20 in September training camp.

Regardless, the notion that Buchnevich won't ever come over is pretty absurd.
 
Panarin is 23, staying in Russia for an elongated time worked out pretty good for him. He even said that it was better for him to stay in Russia to develop - hard to argue that. The longer Buchnevich stays before landing in NY, the better IMO.
 
Is he injured? What's his status?

I heard he is doing pretty well in KHL.
 
3 goals so far tonight.

Will never forgive the flyers for drafting Goulbourne over this kid... and Bjorkstrand... and Duclair
 
Oh man I can't wait for him to be in a Rangers uniform :handclap:

Natural hat trick in 10 minutes..almost just had his 4th goal too.
 
Popped into another 2 beautys today. 24 points in the last 26 games. Incredible numbers for a 20 year old in the KHL. 16th in the league in points.

First goal starts at 1:46 - Great defensive play, great speed, great finish.
Second goal starts at 3:25 - Looks like an absolute 100 MPH rocket from the top of the circle.

 
12+14=26 in 33 games (.79 PPG) in his 20 year old season (turned 20 in April of 2015) .

Tarasenko was 23+24=47 in 54 games(.87 PPG) in his 19-20 year old season (turned 20 in December of 2011)

Kuznetsov was 19+25=44 in 51 games (.86 PPG) in his 20 year old season (turned 20 in May of 2012).

Kuznetsov played with a very good team in the KHL. Tarasenko played part of his time in the KHL with a very good team and part of his time with a very bad team. Buchnevich has played with a very bad team so far.
 
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