RW Matvei Michkov - HC Sochi, KHL (2023 Draft) - PART 3

[MichaelFarrell]

Not tough to say. Even if Michkov's current rate with Sochi declines a bit he'll produce comparably with Ovechkin and much better than Malkin.

Well he has 4 points in 10 games with 21 games left in the season. He’s on pace for 12 points in 31 games (0.378 PPG). Malkin had 12 points in 34 games (0.352 PPG). Ovechkin had 24 points in 53 games (0.452 PPG).

It’s definitely possible you see a rise in points for Michkov. But, it’s also possible he goes many games without scoring. He plays for a rough team. I think it’ll be a tough for him.

 

[wetcoast]

Well he has 4 points in 10 games with 21 games left in the season. He’s on pace for 12 points in 31 games (0.378 PPG). Malkin had 12 points in 34 games (0.352 PPG). Ovechkin had 24 points in 53 games (0.452 PPG).

It’s definitely possible you see a rise in points for Michkov. But, it’s also possible he goes many games without scoring. He plays for a rough team. I think it’ll be a tough for him.

For me the points don't even matter it will just be good to get some quality MPG and stability to develop for the rest of the year then we will see what next year brings.

 

[Realgud]

Well he has 4 points in 10 games with 21 games left in the season. He’s on pace for 12 points in 31 games (0.378 PPG). Malkin had 12 points in 34 games (0.352 PPG). Ovechkin had 24 points in 53 games (0.452 PPG).

It’s definitely possible you see a rise in points for Michkov. But, it’s also possible he goes many games without scoring. He plays for a rough team. I think it’ll be a tough for him.

Adding games where he played 2 or 3 minutes does absolutely nothing to actually represent his play at the KHL level. It's deceitful. 4 points in 7 games (with Sochi) is the proper way to evaluate his performance if you just want to look at the stats.

 

[MichaelFarrell]

Adding games where he played 2 or 3 minutes does absolutely nothing to actually represent his play at the KHL level. It's deceitful. 4 points in 7 games (with Sochi) is the proper way to evaluate his performance if you just want to look at the stats.

I was only mentioning the stats because the post I was responding to was comparing stats. But, I wouldn’t even say his numbers in Sochi are a good representation of how good he is.

Even not considering stats at all, I don’t think he’s currently at the same level Malkin and Ovechkin were at at the same age. Those players were far more physically mature and were able to compete with men better because of that. Michkov is just as skilled but needs to physically mature.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I was only mentioning the stats because the post I was responding to was comparing stats. But, I wouldn’t even say his numbers in Sochi are a good representation of how good he is.

Even not considering stats at all, I don’t think he’s currently at the same level Malkin and Ovechkin were at at the same age. Those players were far more physically mature and were able to compete with men better because of that. Michkov is just as skilled but needs to physically mature.

If he can't compete vs men good enough and still leads the team in goals and points in the games he's played what will it look like when he be able at last to compete vs men, I wonder...

 

[Realgud]

I was only mentioning the stats because the post I was responding to was comparing stats. But, I wouldn’t even say his numbers in Sochi are a good representation of how good he is.

Even not considering stats at all, I don’t think he’s currently at the same level Malkin and Ovechkin were at at the same age. Those players were far more physically mature and were able to compete with men better because of that. Michkov is just as skilled but needs to physically mature.

Yeah, that's fair

He's been doing well despite getting pushed around a little. Can't imagine how well he'd been doing with more strength. He's probably always going to be a little limited by his size (I don't see it as a big deal though) and his top speed (could improve). Other than, he's been excellent, imo.

 

[MichaelFarrell]

If he can't compete vs men good enough and still leads the team in goals and points in the games he's played what will it look like when he be able at last to compete vs men, I wonder...

Well I think it’ll lead to more success at 5v5. He’s extremely talented on the PP but he has a tendency to be far less effective 5v5. That’s one of the reasons he’s fallen in a lot of people’s draft rankings.

 

[NatusVincere]

Well I think it’ll lead to more success at 5v5. He’s extremely talented on the PP but he has a tendency to be far less effective 5v5. That’s one of the reasons he’s fallen in a lot of people’s draft rankings.

"Far less effective" can you back up your claim with some facts? I bet you cant. I did a short look and checked the distribution of his points this season and I am pretty sure that he is completely in line with other top players. But I'm curious what you can show us.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

He has fallen in a lot of rankings because of ignorance. He is clearly the 1A/1B player with Bedard in this draft.

Michkov is an extremely smart player, you can't teach that, getting stronger and faster will come with specific training. Slam dunk choice at #2

 

[Fantomas]

Well he has 4 points in 10 games with 21 games left in the season. He’s on pace for 12 points in 31 games (0.378 PPG). Malkin had 12 points in 34 games (0.352 PPG). Ovechkin had 24 points in 53 games (0.452 PPG).

It’s definitely possible you see a rise in points for Michkov. But, it’s also possible he goes many games without scoring. He plays for a rough team. I think it’ll be a tough for him.

Well, obviously I was talking about Michkov's production in Sochi where he's playing on a scoring line. This isn't hard to understand. He's not going back to SKA, at least not for a while.

 

[Fantomas]

Even not considering stats at all, I don’t think he’s currently at the same level Malkin and Ovechkin were at at the same age. Those players were far more physically mature and were able to compete with men better because of that. Michkov is just as skilled but needs to physically mature.

Physical maturity at this age is actually often a red flag for scouts because one of the things you ask yourself about a teenager who stands out in his age group is whether he's physically an early bloomer. Michkov is a very sturdy and strong guy, but all that room to grow and fill out only indicates that he's bound to get better.

You choose to frame your argument to say "Michkov is not yet physically mature, which is bad," but on the other hand one can just as easily (and more convincingly) say that "Michkov is not yet physically mature but already doing great things at the professional level, so the sky is the limit."

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Physical maturity at this age is actually often a red flag for scouts because one of the things you ask yourself about a teenager who stands out in his age group is whether he's physically an early bloomer. Michkov is a very sturdy and strong guy, but all that room to grow and fill out only indicates that he's bound to get better.

You choose to frame your argument to say "Michkov is not yet physically mature, which is bad," but on the other hand one can just as easily (and more convincingly) say that "Michkov is not yet physically mature but already doing great things at the professional level, so the sky is the limit."

I wish I could like a post more than once.

 

[MichaelFarrell]

Physical maturity at this age is actually often a red flag for scouts because one of the things you ask yourself about a teenager who stands out in his age group is whether he's physically an early bloomer. Michkov is a very sturdy and strong guy, but all that room to grow and fill out only indicates that he's bound to get better.

You choose to frame your argument to say "Michkov is not yet physically mature, which is bad," but on the other hand one can just as easily (and more convincingly) say that "Michkov is not yet physically mature but already doing great things at the professional level, so the sky is the limit."

My argument was actually “Malkin and Ovechkin had more success due to more physical maturity rather than more skill”. That’s a compliment to Michkov. I love the player. I don’t want you to think I’m down on Michkov. He’s my #2.

But, Malkin and Ovie were better at the same age because of their build and maturity.

 

[ViD]

What was his time on ice numbers ? Is he getting top line time ?

He has fallen in a lot of rankings because of ignorance. He is clearly the 1A/1B player with Bedard in this draft.

Michkov is an extremely smart player, you can't teach that, getting stronger and faster will come with specific training. Slam dunk choice at #2

Fantilli had a weak tournament, Carlsson had an okay showing, don’t think these performances will truly separate them from Michkov, it’s all about politics now

 

[NatusVincere]

What was his time on ice numbers ? Is he getting top line time ?

His TOI is okay or according to the circumstances. Sochi is defending most time of the game.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

He has fallen in a lot of rankings because of ignorance. He is clearly the 1A/1B player with Bedard in this draft.

Michkov is an extremely smart player, you can't teach that, getting stronger and faster will come with specific training. Slam dunk choice at #2

100% accurate and true

Only people who haven’t watched him play would ever consider letting him drop past 2nd

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

100% accurate and true

Only people who haven’t watched him play would ever consider letting him drop past 2nd

Arizona, Chicago and Anaheim are 4-5 years from competing. He would fit their time line but do they want to risk taking a Russian?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Arizona, Chicago and Anaheim are 4-5 years from competing. He would fit their time line but do they want to risk taking a Russian?

I think the risk is mostly imaginary but I know that’s not a popular opinion on here given all the Russian political experts

 

[wetcoast]

I think the risk is mostly imaginary but I know that’s not a popular opinion on here given all the Russian political experts

Sometimes a team might give a slight edge or even a greater one that really exists for players who project as centers in the NHL.

 

[Kshahdoo]

The game vs SKA was the first game where Michkov looked so dominant since probably WJC. He never was as good in the VHL despite all goals. Hope he continues to be this good from now and on.

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

If I was the Habs I would take him the first chance they get , given they have 2 picks the risk is minimized - even if it's 2nd.

 

[Kshahdoo]

If I was the Habs I would take him the first chance they get , given they have 2 picks the risk is minimized - even if it's 2nd.

Why does Montreal have 2 high picks?

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

Why does Montreal have 2 high picks?

Florida (currently 9th worst in points %)

 

[Kshahdoo]

Florida (currently 9th worst in points %)

I see, lucky Habs then.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Talked to SKA fans today. According to them Michkov spoiled his relationships with his team-mates in SKA system. Like, some people in Telegram said, Matvei got "star desease" (popular Russian idiom about people who think too high about themselves and are arrogant towards other people i.e. consider themselves big stars).

On the other hand "star desease" in sport usually means players become too cocky and stop worlking hard. Like, why do you need to work hard if you're already a big star? But as to Michkov it's a known fact that he always works more and harder than anybody else around. And he keaps scoring and helping his teams (look at SKA-Neva with and without him).