RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 5

[Michael Farkas]

Multipoint game, primary op assist, ev strength breakaway goal hmm. Celebrini mostly invisible so far, should he go to the minors too?

KHL

 

[Kennerback]

You can see how talented he is by watching but he has a lot of areas he needs to work on.

His defensive game is awful and he forces a lot of low chance plays that lead to turnovers.

I’m surprised Torts didn’t healthy scratch him earlier.

I remember when Torts was torturing Lecavallier when he first came in the league. I expect to see the same with Michkov. It’ll probably work out but it will be rocky.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Other than the penalty, might have been his best game with the limited ice time and team mates, he completely dominated tonight

15:42, not that limited.

 

[SoundAndFury]

with the limited ice time and team mates

16 minutes isn't all you can eat but isn't very limited either tbh.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I remember when Torts was torturing Lecavallier when he first came in the league. I expect to see the same with Michkov. It’ll probably work out but it will be rocky.

Maybe he was just gassed, he played a lot of minutes in first games, and preseason was pretty tough as well. Now when he's fresh he plays his game again.

 

[ViD]

16 minutes isn't all you can eat but isn't very limited either tbh.

Well, that includes overtime and PP. his 5v5 was very limited

 

[Kennerback]

Maybe he was just gassed, he played a lot of minutes in first games, and preseason was pretty tough as well. Now when he's fresh he plays his game again.

We have Caufield and he’s scoring a bunch of goals but he’s not been playing we’ll defensively. I know Torts would not tolerate that.

 

[Kshahdoo]

So his U16 goal, he scored tons of them when he was a kid. People called him such a cherry picker, but to have 4PPG+ in the best Russian U16 league wasn't that easy... And now he scores such goals in the NHL.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1856145265859690653

 

[Michael Farkas]

I know there's a lot of lunatics in this thread - and some folks think I'm one of them, and that's fine - to recap: I think he has good hockey sense, but it isn't generational. I don't think he's some slow, small, no talent. I think he has an unreal shot and hands. He's super technically skilled. I take exception to the claims of his playmaking being elite. I like things directed to the net (fake shot passes) and things where he's circling the net and passing to the slot...the rest of his passing game doesn't really move the needle for me that much. So, the comparisons to Crosby (stylistically) or even Giroux don't make sense to me.

I know the game here (on the Prospects board in general, not just about Michkov)...if you single out one play, you get told "to watch a game". If you breakdown a game, you get told "not that game! that was his worst game!" and if you breakdown several games, you get told "those were his worst shifts, and you're a jerk!"

So, with all the internet disclaimers out of the way...

0.0% chance that Crosby or Giroux shoot this puck...this has to be a pass. Generational hockey sense, elite playmaking, all that...if that's really the case, this is a pass every single time.

This sequence, with no speed, turned into almost a jam play at the near side post. I can post a video if necessary.

More internet disclaimers: I don't think he's bad. I don't think he needs to be in the KHL to "learn more", I don't think he should be in the minors, or scratched...or anything but being a top six NHL forward. None of that. I just don't think I see the style and super strengths vs. the "very goods" the same as some folks...

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

I know there's a lot of lunatics in this thread - and some folks think I'm one of them, and that's fine - to recap: I think he has good hockey sense, but it isn't generational. I don't think he's some slow, small, no talent. I think he has an unreal shot and hands. He's super technically skilled. I take exception to the claims of his playmaking being elite. I like things directed to the net (fake shot passes) and things where he's circling the net and passing to the slot...the rest of his passing game doesn't really move the needle for me that much. So, the comparisons to Crosby (stylistically) or even Giroux don't make sense to me.

I know the game here (on the Prospects board in general, not just about Michkov)...if you single out one play, you get told "to watch a game". If you breakdown a game, you get told "not that game! that was his worst game!" and if you breakdown several games, you get told "those were his worst shifts, and you're a jerk!"

So, with all the internet disclaimers out of the way...

0.0% chance that Crosby or Giroux shoot this puck...this has to be a pass. Generational hockey sense, elite playmaking, all that...if that's really the case, this is a pass every single time.

This sequence, with no speed, turned into almost a jam play at the near side post. I can post a video if necessary.

More internet disclaimers: I don't think he's bad. I don't think he needs to be in the KHL to "learn more", I don't think he should be in the minors, or scratched...or anything but being a top six NHL forward. None of that. I just don't think I see the style and super strengths vs. the "very goods" the same as some folks...

So you completely contradict yourself and base your entire conclusion on a play he made on a 3on3 OT play where he made a crazy strip to even get the puck! Yeah dude, validated!

 

[Michael Farkas]

So you completely contradict yourself and base your entire conclusion on a play he made on a 3on3 OT play where he made a crazy strip to even get the puck! Yeah dude, validated!

I don't contradict myself. My opinion on him has been the same since he was 16.

And my entire conclusion is based on the last four years of watching him.

 

[Kennerback]

I know there's a lot of lunatics in this thread - and some folks think I'm one of them, and that's fine - to recap: I think he has good hockey sense, but it isn't generational. I don't think he's some slow, small, no talent. I think he has an unreal shot and hands. He's super technically skilled. I take exception to the claims of his playmaking being elite. I like things directed to the net (fake shot passes) and things where he's circling the net and passing to the slot...the rest of his passing game doesn't really move the needle for me that much. So, the comparisons to Crosby (stylistically) or even Giroux don't make sense to me.

I know the game here (on the Prospects board in general, not just about Michkov)...if you single out one play, you get told "to watch a game". If you breakdown a game, you get told "not that game! that was his worst game!" and if you breakdown several games, you get told "those were his worst shifts, and you're a jerk!"

So, with all the internet disclaimers out of the way...

0.0% chance that Crosby or Giroux shoot this puck...this has to be a pass. Generational hockey sense, elite playmaking, all that...if that's really the case, this is a pass every single time.

This sequence, with no speed, turned into almost a jam play at the near side post. I can post a video if necessary.

More internet disclaimers: I don't think he's bad. I don't think he needs to be in the KHL to "learn more", I don't think he should be in the minors, or scratched...or anything but being a top six NHL forward. None of that. I just don't think I see the style and super strengths vs. the "very goods" the same as some folks...

I think his absolute floor is Caufield. It’s impossible to say how good he’ll be. Philly and Torts will need his offensive production so they’ll find a way to make it work this season. But Torts is as hard as it gets and Michkov does not look like a shrinking violet. I expect sparks to fly.

 

[dendazen]

I know there's a lot of lunatics in this thread - and some folks think I'm one of them, and that's fine - to recap: I think he has good hockey sense, but it isn't generational. I don't think he's some slow, small, no talent. I think he has an unreal shot and hands. He's super technically skilled. I take exception to the claims of his playmaking being elite. I like things directed to the net (fake shot passes) and things where he's circling the net and passing to the slot...the rest of his passing game doesn't really move the needle for me that much. So, the comparisons to Crosby (stylistically) or even Giroux don't make sense to me.

I know the game here (on the Prospects board in general, not just about Michkov)...if you single out one play, you get told "to watch a game". If you breakdown a game, you get told "not that game! that was his worst game!" and if you breakdown several games, you get told "those were his worst shifts, and you're a jerk!"

So, with all the internet disclaimers out of the way...

0.0% chance that Crosby or Giroux shoot this puck...this has to be a pass. Generational hockey sense, elite playmaking, all that...if that's really the case, this is a pass every single time.

This sequence, with no speed, turned into almost a jam play at the near side post. I can post a video if necessary.

More internet disclaimers: I don't think he's bad. I don't think he needs to be in the KHL to "learn more", I don't think he should be in the minors, or scratched...or anything but being a top six NHL forward. None of that. I just don't think I see the style and super strengths vs. the "very goods" the same as some folks...

Crosby lost 1-7, Matvei won, hit the brick

 

[Cody Webster]

torts is in a win now mode and they have better chances to win without michkov than with him. benching won't do anything for michkov, though. the ahl awaits. and the ahl over khl is simply idiotic. michkov has no one to blame but himself.

Really great post

 

[Garl]

Had a shootout goal too, send him back to the KHL immediately, some of the posters on here should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

Talking about yourself

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Talking about yourself

Here to talk about Kunlun again? You’re easily one of the worst posters on the board lmao, you get regularly laughed at, stay cappin.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I don't contradict myself. My opinion on him has been the same since he was 16.

And my entire conclusion is based on the last four years of watching him.

Well, and some people watched him too and thought different...

 

[Michael Farkas]

I think his absolute floor is Caufield. It’s impossible to say how good he’ll be. Philly and Torts will need his offensive production so they’ll find a way to make it work this season. But Torts is as hard as it gets and Michkov does not look like a shrinking violet. I expect sparks to fly.

I think Caufield is more stylistically sensible than these elite playmakers that get tossed around. Like, he doesn't play a thing like Crosby. Not even a little bit.

Torts is Torts, I wouldn't be super concerned about that. The Flyers have been trying to improve their whole development system under Briere. This organization was renowned around scouting circles for the last little while about how little they invested in development. Their scouts were out there doing a pretty fair job, just to watch their finds die on the vine. How many d-men come through Philadelphia that look great in seasons 2 or 3 and then stagnate?

Player development doesn't just happen on the ice either. People think it's all "play, play, play" - but play is more the application of developmental skills. So, if they're treating him well off the game ice...and he's absorbing it, that'll work out fine...he'll outlast Torts, of course.

 

[Fantomas]

torts is in a win now mode and they have better chances to win without michkov than with him. benching won't do anything for michkov, though. the ahl awaits. and the ahl over khl is simply idiotic. michkov has no one to blame but himself.

One of the worst posters here

 

[SaSaShi]

I know there's a lot of lunatics in this thread - and some folks think I'm one of them, and that's fine - to recap: I think he has good hockey sense, but it isn't generational. I don't think he's some slow, small, no talent. I think he has an unreal shot and hands. He's super technically skilled. I take exception to the claims of his playmaking being elite. I like things directed to the net (fake shot passes) and things where he's circling the net and passing to the slot...the rest of his passing game doesn't really move the needle for me that much. So, the comparisons to Crosby (stylistically) or even Giroux don't make sense to me.

I know the game here (on the Prospects board in general, not just about Michkov)...if you single out one play, you get told "to watch a game". If you breakdown a game, you get told "not that game! that was his worst game!" and if you breakdown several games, you get told "those were his worst shifts, and you're a jerk!"

So, with all the internet disclaimers out of the way...

0.0% chance that Crosby or Giroux shoot this puck...this has to be a pass. Generational hockey sense, elite playmaking, all that...if that's really the case, this is a pass every single time.

This sequence, with no speed, turned into almost a jam play at the near side post. I can post a video if necessary.

More internet disclaimers: I don't think he's bad. I don't think he needs to be in the KHL to "learn more", I don't think he should be in the minors, or scratched...or anything but being a top six NHL forward. None of that. I just don't think I see the style and super strengths vs. the "very goods" the same as some folks...

His passing is better than his "unreal" shot.

He does NOT have an unreal shot. He has a decent shot.
6/10.

Where do you see this unreal shot in the 14 games he has played so far?

He doesn't have good hockey sense, it's an elite one. Already the best on philly.

His problems are:
1) lack of explosiveness/top end speed,
2) still lacks man strength,
3) has stamina issues.

He has the same vision and makes as good as passes as Giroux. Difference was Giroux had a stanley cup roster when he first broke in the league. And Michkov is a better passer in his 19 yr old rookie season than Giroux's 20 yr old rookie season. If you watch the games, you can see this easily.

I asked you a question a month ago why has Michkov broken records in every stage he has played in if he has only average physical tools?

Decent shot
Average top speed
Average explosiveness
Average strength

You responded well because he is damn good at hockey. Well what MAKES him good at hockey? Anticipation, hockey sense, vision.

If he has merely good hockey sense combined with with his underwhelming physical tools (for this type of hyped prospect) and below average size, he will be a 2nd/3rd line player in the NHL.

So please answer this question: what makes Michkov, in your eyes a great player??

 

[Garl]

Here to talk about Kunlun again? You’re easily one of the worst posters on the board lmao, you get regularly laughed at, stay cappin.

Pathetic and hysterical as usual you are

Btw whats your prediction for Michkov, this season, career? Tell me

 

[Garl]

His passing is better than his "unreal" shot.

He does NOT have an unreal shot. He has a decent shot.
6/10.

Where do you see this unreal shot in the 12 games he has played so far?

He doesn't have good hockey sense, it's an elite one. Already the best on philly.

His problems are:
1) lack of explosiveness/top end speed,
2) still lacks man strength,
3) has stamina issues.

He has the same vision and makes as good as passes as Giroux. Difference was Giroux had a stanley cup roster when he first broke in the league. And Michkov is a better passer in his 19 yr old rookie season than Giroux's 20 yr old rookie season. If you watch the games, you can see this easily.

I asked you a question a month ago why has Michkov broken records in every stage he has played in if he has only average physical tools?

Decent shot
Average top speed
Average explosiveness
Average strength

You responded well because he is damn good at hockey. Well what MAKES him good at hockey? Anticipation, hockey sense, vision.

If he has merely good hockey sense combined with with his underwhelming physical tools (for this type of hyped prospect) and below average size, he will be a 2nd/3rd line player in the NHL.

So please answer this question: what makes Michkov, in your eyes a great player??

Hockey IQ can be different, there us an ability to make creative plays, and there is an ability to make right plays. First is Gretzky, second is Lidstrom or Crosby

Michkov is very talented in a creative sense, but he doesnt always make the "right" play. There is a reason he was cut from SKA last season, and it wasnt his "underwhelming" physical shape. He is a well developed youngster physically.

 

[SaSaShi]

Pathetic and hysterical as usual you are

Btw whats your prediction for Michkov, this season, career? Tell me

Michkov prediction:

this season 50-60 points

Career can go 2 ways.

1) If he doesn't improve his top end speed/explosiveness, he will be an all star player scoring around 80-85 pts/ season.

2) if he takes his skating from average to just slightly above average, he will be a perennial MVP contender and win a couple of Hart trophies scoring consistently in the 100-110 point mark.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I think he thought more about getting more muscles before the NHL season, but more muscles worsen your stamina. Look at those marathon runners, they all are small skinny dudes, at least best of them.

Your weight should be in balance with your stamina in any sport where both are important. You break the balance, and there will be consequences.

 

[SaSaShi]

Hockey IQ can be different, there us an ability to make creative plays, and there is an ability to make right plays. First is Gretzky, second is Lidstrom or Crosby

Michkov is very talented in a creative sense, but he doesnt always make the "right" play. There is a reason he was cut from SKA last season, and it wasnt his "underwhelming" physical shape. He is a well developed youngster physically.

When you say cut from SKA and try to pass it off as a talent issue, you lose all credibility. The world knows it's a Rotenberg issue, look at what he has done with Demidov. But you hammer this point constantly as if it was a talent issue. It's disingenous.

It has nothing to do with hockey skills, or physical tools. It's 100 percent Rotenberg. This is why people can't engage with you seriously, because your claims reek of a hidden agenda.

What 19 year old always make the right play?? That comes with experience.