RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[Kudo Shinichi]

What are the odds that Michkov reups or stays in Russia after his contract's done?

Very low.
He will make far more money playing in NA, and his competitiveness will make him want to play versus the best in the world instead of continuing to dominate a lesser league.

 

[WeThreeKings]

He makes a ton of sense for both San Jose and Montreal.

Wonder if either of them bite the bullet.

 

[montreal]

 

[Kshahdoo]

 

[AlternateSideParking]

No change to his style in all these U25 games, mostly against Belarus. Playing 4th line minutes and defensemen are missing him streaking. They aren’t feeding him the puck and he’s been open. Still hustles on the forecheck and backchecks when necessary.

 

[WarriorofTime]

No change to his style in all these U25 games, mostly against Belarus. Playing 4th line minutes and defensemen are missing him streaking. They aren’t feeding him the puck and he’s been open. Still hustles on the forecheck and backchecks when necessary.

I have no issues with how he is playing. He plays hard. Biggest myth about him I see is that he’s one of those float around and if he’s not scoring he’s a major liability type. I’ve never seen that. Hate to be one of those “coach is an idiot” types but i really don’t understand why they don’t move him up in these Belarus games. He’s definitely one of the more skilled players on the team.

 

[BMann]

I have no issues with how he is playing. He plays hard. Biggest myth about him I see is that he’s one of those float around and if he’s not scoring he’s a major liability type. I’ve never seen that. Hate to be one of those “coach is an idiot” types but i really don’t understand why they don’t move him up in these Belarus games. He’s definitely one of the more skilled players on the team.

The coach is an idiot. He only has his job down to nepotism and corruption.

No change to his style in all these U25 games, mostly against Belarus. Playing 4th line minutes and defensemen are missing him streaking. They aren’t feeding him the puck and he’s been open. Still hustles on the forecheck and backchecks when necessary.

He has created a play here and there and no one has read it. He'll be fine. All this doom mongering over a few games. Only problem he has this same idiot coach for the next season. Completely incompetent. But his father owns the team and rules Russian hockey like it's his fiefdom.

 

[Kshahdoo]

The coach is an idiot. He only has his job down to nepotism and corruption.



He has created a play here and there and no one has read it. He'll be fine. All this doom mongering over a few games. Only problem he has this same idiot coach for the next season. Completely incompetent. But his father owns the team and rules Russian hockey like it's his fiefdom.

Rotenberg actually reminds me some NHL coaches, dogmatists who think their systems are the only right thing in hockey. And they still sometimes get job in the league. The difference is the NHL is a superstars' league. So dogmatist or not dogmatist, you gotta utilize your superstars right or lose your job very fast. Rotenberg considers himself the main superstar on SKA...

 

[ItWasJustified]

and not as big of a step forward as many anticipated, has led to him falling a bit lower.

Lol. He just put up the best draft year eligiable season of any Russian player in KHL's history. On a terrible team that primarily functions as SKA's farm team. Did these ''many'' people anticipate that he would win the KHL scoring title?
Again, LOL.

The coach is an idiot. He only has his job down to nepotism and corruption.



He has created a play here and there and no one has read it. He'll be fine. All this doom mongering over a few games. Only problem he has this same idiot coach for the next season. Completely incompetent. But his father owns the team and rules Russian hockey like it's his fiefdom.

Rotenberg actually reminds me some NHL coaches, dogmatists who think their systems are the only right thing in hockey. And they still sometimes get job in the league. The difference is the NHL is a superstars' league. So dogmatist or not dogmatist, you gotta utilize your superstars right or lose your job very fast. Rotenberg considers himself the main superstar on SKA...

Michkov must've had some pretty poor advisors to sign a 3 year deal with SKA.

 

[FriarChill]

If SKA/Rotenberg keeps handling him like that chances are probably not too bad that he buys out his last year and is in the NHL by 2025.

 

[kp61c]

The coach is an idiot. He only has his job down to nepotism and corruption.



He has created a play here and there and no one has read it. He'll be fine. All this doom mongering over a few games. Only problem he has this same idiot coach for the next season. Completely incompetent. But his father owns the team and rules Russian hockey like it's his fiefdom.

Gazprom ownes it. His father is just an old friend of putin.

 

[independent observer]

Lol. He just put up the best draft year eligiable season of any Russian player in KHL's history. On a terrible team that primarily functions as SKA's farm team. Did these ''many'' people anticipate that he would win the KHL scoring title?
Again, LOL.



Michkov must've had some pretty poor advisors to sign a 3 year deal with SKA.

Why? Smart decision, I am sure he earns more money than with a nhl rookie entry contract.

 

[ItWasJustified]

I am sure he earns more money than with a nhl rookie entry contract.

He definitely does not. The best paid KHL players earn little more than $1 million. Michkov would be close to that on his entry level contract.

Smart decision

Yeah, smart decision to play under a coach that refuses to give you ice-time and let you play your game.

Lol.

 

[Fantomas]

He definitely does not. The best paid KHL players earn little more than $1 million. Michkov would be close to that on his entry level contract.

Yeah, smart decision to play under a coach that refuses to give you ice-time and let you play your game.

Lol.

You need to understand a couple of things. $1 million will buy you a heck of a lot more in Russia than in does in the United States or anywhere else in the West for that matter. The difference is in fact massive. You can live extremely well in Russia (and many other parts of the world) for $2,000 a month. $1 million is quite luxurious in comparison. In America much less so.

The second thing to keep in mind is that Michkov signed this contract more than two years ago. Michkov is not from a wealthy family, so he needed the money and he's been provided for already. So I don't think this is a bad decision in the financial sense, considering that we're talking about almost three years of his life here.

Also not sure why icetime is such a big deal. Michkov was loaned to Sochi this year and received plenty of exposure there. Opportunities in SKA should open up for him next season, but he's not dealing with anything particularly unusual for a Russian prospect. Even Malkin had a difficult time getting much icetime in his draft year while with Magnitogorsk, and he developed fine. He got drafted, played another two years there while his role grew.

 

[kp61c]

Yeah, smart decision to play under a coach that refuses to give you ice-time and let you play your game.
Lol.

But i hear the coach has a bunch of very smart and professional assistants. They won't allow Rotenberg to ruin Michkov's development.

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

You need to understand a couple of things. $1 million will buy you a heck of a lot more in Russia than in does in the United States or anywhere else in the West for that matter. The difference is in fact massive. You can live extremely well in Russia (and many other parts of the world) for $2,000 a month. $1 million is quite luxurious in comparison. In America much less so.

The second thing to keep in mind is that Michkov signed this contract more than two years ago. Michkov is not from a wealthy family, so he needed the money and he's been provided for already. So I don't think this is a bad decision in the financial sense, considering that we're talking about almost three years of his life here.

Also not sure why icetime is such a big deal. Michkov was loaned to Sochi this year and received plenty of exposure there. Opportunities in SKA should open up for him next season, but he's not dealing with anything particularly unusual for a Russian prospect. Even Malkin had a difficult time getting much icetime in his draft year while with Magnitogorsk, and he developed fine. He got drafted, played another two years there while his role grew.

Yeah I don't think most people realize just how difficult it would be to turn down a guaranteed 1 million dollars at age 16, like you don't just stumble on those opportunities.

Yes, he could likely have waited a few years and been set for life anyway - but what if the worst possible thing happens like injury and his career is over, its not impossible hockey is a very rough game. Then you have to live with knowing you could have set your family up financially for years and you didn't...extremely tough to swallow. Now, having signed the deal, "worst" case scenario is that he earns 1 million in his hockey career, even if he never makes the NHL or signs another pro contract in his life. That's a lifetime earnings for a lot of people at age 16, and if your family isn't wealthy its a life-changing amount of money.

I think the risk analysis was on point, so what you need to wait a few years to play in the NHL? Its a lot better than knowing there is literally no chance you don't get a bag and help your family out. If he passes on that, the chance is always there, no matter how small, that he never earns anything close to that again.

 

[Fantomas]

I think the risk analysis was on point, so what you need to wait a few years to play in the NHL?

Especially if you're drafted by Arizona or Columbus. Logan Cooley was like "no thanks" and he's not making millions.

 

[Crede777]

Especially if you're drafted by Arizona or Columbus. Logan Cooley was like "no thanks" and he's not making millions.

What does Columbus have to do with Arizona? Columbus has stable ownership and a strong, young core.

 

[Fantomas]

What does Columbus have to do with Arizona? Columbus has stable ownership and a strong, young core.

It's in Ohio.

 

[Crede777]

It's in Ohio.

At least you know where it is I'll give you that.

 

[Fantomas]

At least you know where it is I'll give you that.

No Russian wants to be in Ohio. I'm not saying this to upset you, it's just facts.

 

[Crede777]

No Russian wants to be in Ohio. I'm not saying this to upset you, it's just facts.

1. There's a difference between being "in Ohio" and being "in Columbus" just like there's a difference between being in St. Louis and being in Missouri.

2. The facts are that more Russians have played here and liked it than wanted to leave. Svitov, Tyutin, Bobrovsky's issue was money, Gavrikov's issue was term, and Chinakhov and Marchenko are currently here.

 

[Fantomas]

1. There's a difference between being "in Ohio" and being "in Columbus" just like there's a difference between being in St. Louis and being in Missouri.

2. The facts are that more Russians have played here and liked it than wanted to leave. Svitov, Tyutin, Bobrovsky's issue was money, Gavrikov's issue was term, and Chinakhov and Marchenko are currently here.

ok sure

 

[Zine]

He definitely does not. The best paid KHL players earn little more than $1 million. Michkov would be close to that on his entry level contract.

Yeah, smart decision to play under a coach that refuses to give you ice-time and let you play your game.

Lol.

You need to understand a couple of things. $1 million will buy you a heck of a lot more in Russia than in does in the United States or anywhere else in the West for that matter. The difference is in fact massive. You can live extremely well in Russia (and many other parts of the world) for $2,000 a month. $1 million is quite luxurious in comparison. In America much less so.

The second thing to keep in mind is that Michkov signed this contract more than two years ago. Michkov is not from a wealthy family, so he needed the money and he's been provided for already. So I don't think this is a bad decision in the financial sense, considering that we're talking about almost three years of his life here.

Also not sure why icetime is such a big deal. Michkov was loaned to Sochi this year and received plenty of exposure there. Opportunities in SKA should open up for him next season, but he's not dealing with anything particularly unusual for a Russian prospect. Even Malkin had a difficult time getting much icetime in his draft year while with Magnitogorsk, and he developed fine. He got drafted, played another two years there while his role grew.

Yeah I don't think most people realize just how difficult it would be to turn down a guaranteed 1 million dollars at age 16, like you don't just stumble on those opportunities.

Yes, he could likely have waited a few years and been set for life anyway - but what if the worst possible thing happens like injury and his career is over, its not impossible hockey is a very rough game. Then you have to live with knowing you could have set your family up financially for years and you didn't...extremely tough to swallow. Now, having signed the deal, "worst" case scenario is that he earns 1 million in his hockey career, even if he never makes the NHL or signs another pro contract in his life. That's a lifetime earnings for a lot of people at age 16, and if your family isn't wealthy its a life-changing amount of money.

I think the risk analysis was on point, so what you need to wait a few years to play in the NHL? Its a lot better than knowing there is literally no chance you don't get a bag and help your family out. If he passes on that, the chance is always there, no matter how small, that he never earns anything close to that again.

Also keep in mind taxes in the NHL are outrageous. Taxes + escrow can eat up nearly 50% of NHL pay.

Someone making $1 million can very well be taking home only $500-$600k.

Russian tax is 13% flat; in addition to the opportunity to earn significant ‘off the books’ bonuses.

 

[Toe Pick]

No Russian wants to be in Ohio. I'm not saying this to upset you, it's just facts.

Personally, as an Ohioan, I want nothing to do with top 6 Russian picks after the Zherdev and Filatov flops.

But as for your “facts” — they’re as weak as your lame ass shots at Columbus when we have Marchenko, Voronkov, Tarasov, and Chinakhov leaving Russia on their own accord for Ohio.