RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[FriarChill]

20-21 U18
Bedard 7-7-14 in 7GP
Michkov 12-4-16 in 7GP

21-22 U18
Bedard 6-1-7 in 4GP
Michkov 5-8-13 in 5GP

21-22 U20
Bedard 4-4-8 in 7GP
Michkov 3-0-3 in 2GP

Total
Bedard 17-12-29 in 18GP (1.6 PPG)
Michkov 20-12-32 in 14GP (2.3 PPG)

21-22 U20 is a bit misleading imo because you used the summer tournament stats for bedard. Russia was already sanctioned at that point.
In the covid cancalled tournament Bedard scored 4 goals and 1 assist in 2 games.

 

[Albatros]

20-21 U18
Bedard 7-7-14 in 7GP
Michkov 12-4-16 in 7GP

21-22 U18
Bedard 6-1-7 in 4GP
Michkov 5-8-13 in 5GP

21-22 U20
Bedard 4-4-8 in 7GP
Michkov 3-0-3 in 2GP

Total
Bedard 17-12-29 in 18GP (1.6 PPG)
Michkov 20-12-32 in 14GP (2.3 PPG)

Although the match results of the aborted 21/22 tournament were annulled, the player records weren't. Bedard scored additional 4+1=5 points in the 2 games he played.

 

[carl jung]

I am willing to bet so much f***ing money the Caps take him @8

 

[EdJovanovski]

21-22 U20 is a bit misleading imo because you used the summer tournament stats for bedard. Russia was already sanctioned at that point.
In the covid cancalled tournament Bedard scored 4 goals and 1 assist in 2 games.

Didn’t realize that, still those are counted as the same tournaments they played in. When people make the case for Bedard having the greatest tournament ever for a Canadian player they combine them. I don’t see why it would be any more difficult to produce in the summer tournament than the other one, if anything the summer one would be easier as Bedard & Michkov were the young guys so they’d be more developed plus there would be worse teams after kicking out one of the best teams in Russia. I think it’s no different than comparing two players season stats to each other when one only played earlier in the season. It’s still the same tournament. But even if you adjust for that Michkovs numbers are better.

And I’m a big fan of Bedard, being from Vancouver and having seen him live. I’m not saying this to argue Michkov > Bedard, I think it’s very close. I would take Bedard 1OA. But I am arguing that Michkov & Fantilli aren’t in the same stratosphere as each other.

 

[FriarChill]

Didn’t realize that, still those are counted as the same tournaments they played in. When people make the case for Bedard having the greatest tournament ever for a Canadian player they combine them. I don’t see why it would be any more difficult to produce in the summer tournament than the other one, if anything the summer one would be easier as Bedard & Michkov were the young guys so they’d be more developed plus there would be worse teams after kicking out one of the best teams in Russia. I think it’s no different than comparing two players season stats to each other when one only played earlier in the season. It’s still the same tournament. But even if you adjust for that Michkovs numbers are better.

And I’m a big fan of Bedard, being from Vancouver and having seen him live. I’m not saying this to argue Michkov > Bedard, I think it’s very close. I would take Bedard 1OA. But I am arguing that Michkov & Fantilli aren’t in the same stratosphere as each other.

Bedard has stats for 2 U20 tournaments in 21/22. Your stats are correct for the summer tournament but Michkov wasnt able to participate anymore at that point. Both played 2 games in Dec 22 though before the tournament got cancelled due to Covid.
I am a big fan of both and dont understand lots of crap that is talked about Michkov or a risk of him not coming to the NHL or a contract for 3 years. They are 1 and 2 on my draft list.

 

[Jee]

Crazy how much of a wildcard Michkov is in this draft. I don't remember someone like him.

 

[tomd]

He continues to have a pretty pedestrian U25 tournament while not exactly playing hockey powerhouses in Belarus and Kazakhstan. Looks like he might have been demoted in today's game. Not being critical but it seems like he should be giving a much better showing for a guy who is so talented. Anyone seeing the games able to comment?

 

[NotProkofievian]

He continues to have a pretty pedestrian U25 tournament while not exactly playing hockey powerhouses in Belarus and Kazakhstan. Looks like he might have been demoted in today's game. Not being critical but it seems like he should be giving a much better showing for a guy who is so talented. Anyone seeing the games able to comment?

Definitely the worst games of his that I've seen.

 

[tomd]

Definitely the worst games of his that I've seen.

I wonder if any NHL scouts are able to watch the tournament. Everyone has Fantilli and Carlsson under a microscope but Michkov can't be held to the same scrutiny. A risky pick for sure in the top 8-10.

 

[Caser]

I wonder if any NHL scouts are able to watch the tournament. Everyone has Fantilli and Carlsson under a microscope but Michkov can't be held to the same scrutiny. A risky pick for sure in the top 8-10.

If he falls to #8 the Caps will spend the first 30 seconds of their 3 minute discussion time just pinching themselves to make sure they aren't dreaming, then the next minute will be spent on ordering the booze and there will be just enough time remaining to decide who will be the designated drafter to stay sober for the second day of the draft. No time will be left for the risk assessment though.

 

[Ace]

I am willing to bet so much f***ing money the Caps take him @8

only two things stop me from agreeing completely.

1. If I was Arizona I’d be thrilled that he can’t come over for at least three years. New building will be sorted and gives me time to build.

2. Everyone knows they need to get to 7. When he gets to 3 teams should start considering the cost of moving up. When it gets to 7 they should pay it. I know trade ups in the top 10 are rare. But so is this situation. Players of this level aren’t there at 7. And if he gets to 8…you know Washington is taking him.

 

[LetsGoFlyers12]

He continues to have a pretty pedestrian U25 tournament while not exactly playing hockey powerhouses in Belarus and Kazakhstan. Looks like he might have been demoted in today's game. Not being critical but it seems like he should be giving a much better showing for a guy who is so talented. Anyone seeing the games able to comment?

I've watched these games and I've been impressed with his defensive play and off puck grit. He's looked looked very poised in transition and been more of a playmaker.

His utilization has been spotty at best. Most games he's been off the PP and is averaging around 10-12 mins per game. Not ideal, but he's looked good in his time.

I think he'll be more of a playmaking threat in thr NHL than people expect.

Overall, I agree that he hasn't lit it up, but it wasn't exactly the ideal set up for that to happen

 

[ItWasJustified]

A risky pick for sure in the top 8-10.

 

[JackSlater]

I doubt that he lasts until Detroit picks but I'd be thrilled to get Michkov that late. Teams picking high in the draft are generally not geared up to compete in a year or two - take Michkov, wait a few years and reap the reward when the team is in position to contend.

 

[Caser]

I doubt that he lasts until Detroit picks but I'd be thrilled to get Michkov that late. Teams picking high in the draft are generally not geared up to compete in a year or two - take Michkov, wait a few years and reap the reward when the team is in position to contend.

It makes some sense for Yzerman to be willing to get a player who is most frequently compared to Kucherov. Even more, if he is a fan I'd say if Michkov is available at 5 it might make sense to try to trade up in some way like 9th+17th+41st for 5th+29th. Would make sense for the Habs too if they aren't willing to be picking Michkov, as at 9th someone from the next tier will be available too and that trade would be improving their draft pick set.

 

[JackSlater]

It makes some sense for Yzerman to be willing to get a player who is most frequently compared to Kucherov. Even more, if he is a fan I'd say if Michkov is available at 5 it might make sense to try to trade up in some way like 9th+17th+41st for 5th+29th. Would make sense for the Habs too if they aren't willing to be picking Michkov, as at 9th someone from the next tier will be available too and that trade would be improving their draft pick set.

I'd be fine with Detroit trading up to 5 or so assuming it's not an insane price. Detroit has some nice pieces, not sure that there is a gamebreaker on offence in the pipeline.

 

[Benstheman]

I'd be fine with Detroit trading up to 5 or so assuming it's not an insane price. Detroit has some nice pieces, not sure that there is a gamebreaker on offence in the pipeline.

You will need to pony Seider up if you want Michkov at 5.

 

[Guadana]

If he falls to #8 the Caps will spend the first 30 seconds of their 3 minute discussion time just pinching themselves to make sure they aren't dreaming, then the next minute will be spent on ordering the booze and there will be just enough time remaining to decide who will be the designated drafter to stay sober for the second day of the draft. No time will be left for the risk assessment though.

If Michkov will be available for caps pick, they will order a bronze for a statue of gm’s of previous teams as a thanks for their… professional competention.

 

[Boy Hedican]

Watch him snagged at 2.

 

[montreal]

 

[Rayquaza64]

If he falls to #8 the Caps will spend the first 30 seconds of their 3 minute discussion time just pinching themselves to make sure they aren't dreaming, then the next minute will be spent on ordering the booze and there will be just enough time remaining to decide who will be the designated drafter to stay sober for the second day of the draft. No time will be left for the risk assessment though.

They’re probably the organization most confident in their ability to bring russian prospects over (and for very good reason at this point)

 

[BMann]

He continues to have a pretty pedestrian U25 tournament while not exactly playing hockey powerhouses in Belarus and Kazakhstan. Looks like he might have been demoted in today's game. Not being critical but it seems like he should be giving a much better showing for a guy who is so talented. Anyone seeing the games able to comment?

Just look who is coaching this team. Someone who is completely incompetent but got his job via nepotism.

Even players like Nikishin are looking pedestrian.

 

[Kshahdoo]

He continues to have a pretty pedestrian U25 tournament while not exactly playing hockey powerhouses in Belarus and Kazakhstan. Looks like he might have been demoted in today's game. Not being critical but it seems like he should be giving a much better showing for a guy who is so talented. Anyone seeing the games able to comment?

The kid is 18. I mean name a player who lit it up playing for national teams at 18? Laine? Yeah, he did. And he scored 1 point in 6 international games and 0 points at WCH at 19 so you can argue it was probably some kind of a fluke.

If we take all time great Soviet and Russian players none of them even played at this level at 18.

As to weak teams, Kazakhstan beat Norway at WHC, and Belarus beat the same Team Kazakhstan 6-0 at their ice...

 

[kp61c]

Just look who is coaching this team. Someone who is completely incompetent but got his job via nepotism.
Even players like Nikishin are looking pedestrian.

Michkov will spend the next 3 years under his shrewd guidance. That's one thing to be aware of when deciding whether to draft Michkov or not.

 

[CapsJunkie]

does he have an agent why sign a 3 year contract