RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[TheWayToRefJose]

in the last two years he will earn two times more than in the first four years. nhl clubs are prohibited from giving him money and i doubt he will take a loan from a bank to buy a privilege to try himself in the ahl/nhl

He could make more money if he did considering his ELC would cover the cost of his buyout and he could get to a big money contract sooner.

I don’t think he will, just saying that it should technically be an option if he did want to.

 

[kp61c]

He could make more money if he did considering his ELC would cover the cost of his buyout and he could get to a big money contract sooner.

I don’t think he will, just saying that it should technically be an option if he did want to.

It is not a given he will be successful. Basically he will be paying out of his own pocket for the privilege to try himself in the ahl or nhl. Don't see it happening.

 

[Deleted member 339941]

 

[Dr Pepper]

I hope the Caps land Michkov.
If I would be them, I do anything to grab his services… that could truly fast-track their rebuild in Ovy‘s twillight years…

Washington, drafting a Russian, at #8?

If he falls that far, it's too perfect for them to pass up.

 

[Caser]

Really?

Reading the KHL rules, it sounded like it was possible for a player under 29 years old to buy out a contract at the players request for 2/3rds the remaining value of the contract.

Did I read that wrong or is it a paper only rule that doesn’t happen?

Article 32. Early termination of the Hockey Player’s Contract at the Hockey Player’s initiative

“2.1 if the Hockey Player has not reached by termination of the Contract 29 years, he shall pay the Club 2/3 of the earned remuneration (fee) amount that was not paid for the period remaining until the Contract expiry;”

Source - https://www.khl.ru/documents/KHL_legal_regulations_2021_eng.pdf#page35

And the same article, yet part 1 says that:

Article 32. Early termination of the Hockey Player’s Contract at the Hockey Player’s initiative
1. In accordance with Part 2, Article 348.12 of the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, in case of early
termination of the Contract at the Hockey Player’s initiative (on his own volition), the Hockey Player shall
submit a written application to the Club informing it of its will to terminate the Contract within the term
stipulated as of the date of such application submission by the FHR norms.
The Hockey Player shall submit the above-mentioned application also to the KHL CIB.
During this term, the Club is not entitled to execute any Exchange contracts in relation to the abovementioned
Hockey Player.

The bolded part means that it is the Federation who defines when it can be terminated and the current rules are that it should be done 16 months in advance. So for example to terminate the contract on May 1, 2025, he should submit the buyout application in November, 2023, which effectively means that he can buy-out only the last year of the contract.

 

[Fantomas]

"Source: HabFanatics"

HabFanatics brings the scoop in extremely hushed tones.

He isn't the source. The source is "Martin McGuire, play-by-play announcer for the Montreal Canadiens".

Apparently he said it on live radio. Should be easy enough to confirm he said it or didn't.

Who would know better than a play-by-play announcer for the Montreal Canadiens?

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

And the same article, yet part 1 says that:

The bolded part means that it is the Federation who defines when it can be terminated and the current rules are that it should be done 16 months in advance. So for example to terminate the contract on May 1, 2025, he should submit the buyout application in November, 2023, which effectively means that he can buy-out only the last year of the contract.

Thanks. I saw that portion and had no idea what “the FHR” meant as there was no reference. I wasn’t trying to say you were wrong, just looking for clarification on what I had read.

It also gets complicated with him being a park of SKA, which is essentially government owned from my understanding, so even if he bought out his contact, they might just not allow him to leave the country.

And what his agent just said about “solidifying his status with SKA”, essentially means that he plans on finishing out the contract. Unless it’s just a sneaky plan to not leave the US after the draft, which seems very, very unlikely, it sounds like he will play out the contract.

 

[LilLeeroy]

I meant him when i spoke of a tin-foil lunatic who loves detective stories, yes.

Don't forget about the chip in Michkov's head that will explode if he ever leaves Russia.

 

[Caser]

Thanks. I saw that portion and had no idea what “the FHR” meant as there was no reference. I wasn’t trying to say you were wrong, just looking for clarification on what I had read.

It also gets complicated with him being a park of SKA, which is essentially government owned from my understanding, so even if he bought out his contact, they might just not allow him to leave the country.

And what his agent just said about “solidifying his status with SKA”, essentially means that he plans on finishing out the contract. Unless it’s just a sneaky plan to not leave the US after the draft, which seems very, very unlikely, it sounds like he will play out the contract.

Almost all of the KHL teams are indirectly owned by the government/state or whatever, yet somehow players still manage to arrive to the NHL.

 

[Zine]

So, thus far I've learned.........


1. SKA will prevent Michkov from leaving the country

2. If he doesn't comply with SKA's wishes he will be sent to Ukraine.

3. Russian authorities had his father murdered

4. A secret government spy uncovered SKA's plan to force him into a 2 year extension beyond his current deal.


Am I missing anything else?

 

[Wats]

Almost all of the KHL teams are indirectly owned by the government/state or whatever, yet somehow players still manage to arrive to the NHL.

This is why I feel like most of this is just media trying to make news/drama. Russians were still going in the 1st round last year, Michkov isn't a super soldier or some government created mutant that can't leave the country for national security. I get the concern he has to play in the KHL for next 3 years, the more dramatic stuff is extra.

 

[stator]

He actually plays with edge, goes to corners, plays around the boards, doesn't shy away from physical plays. I personally think he should get back to more finesse hockey he used to play in junior leagues. He should play Patrick Kane style hockey, not Theo Fleury one.

I'm afraid Rotenberg will send him back to the MHL though if gets back to Kane style hockey. Rotten loves his grinders...

Finesse-wise, I think of Datsyuk and Goldobin being examples for the ends of that scale.

 

[stator]

Meh, if in fact he drowned while swimming, it's probably accidental. If he tried flying out of a window of a tall building, then I would be suspicious. It seems over there, if someone gets taken out, it's done in a way that sends a message.

What I don't understand is why did he sign that contract extension recently. He had to know of his chances of being drafted in the NHL were very good. Given that he was tearing it up in junior leagues and the WJC beforehand.

It's been reported that his dream is to play in the NHL. That doesn't jive with his action of signing that extension well beyond his draft year. The only reason I could think of is someone gave him bad advice saying that he would enter UFA in fewer seasons in the NHL.

Regardless, he putting more pressure on himself for the NHL combine in early June.

 

[Zine]

Meh, if in fact he drowned while swimming, it's probably accidental. If he tried flying out of a window of a tall building, then I would be suspicious. It seems over there, if someone gets taken out, it's done in a way that sends a message.

What I don't understand is why did he sign that contract extension recently. He had to know of his chances of being drafted in the NHL were very good. Given that he was tearing it up in junior leagues and the WJC beforehand.

It's been reported that his dream is to play in the NHL. That doesn't jive with his action of signing that extension well beyond his draft year. The only reason I could think of is someone gave him bad advice saying that he would enter UFA in fewer seasons in the NHL.

Regardless, he putting more pressure on himself for the NHL combine in early June.

As hockey fans we often think the game is more important than it actually is. Hockey isn't that important. Nobody is killing anybody. Michkov/his father aren't double agent spies, or journalists exposing the inner working of corrupt government.
The situation isnt a James Bond movie.


FYI, Michkov signed his current KHL contract when he was 16. Most 16 year olds (or their parents) would do the same if they had a million + unlimited bonuses thrown in their faces.
Making the NHL is hardly a guarantee when you're that young. The Michkov's took the sure thing.

 

[MrGuyPerson]

I have a question I'd like to pose here. Obviously NHL teams are not allowed to buyout KHL contracts. So hear my out:

What if Michkov signed an advertisement contract that would pay him a bit more than enough to buyout his own contract? I suppose you would have to sus out if he would be willing to take that deal when it is presented to him, but give him enough to move his family over and buy out the contract and boom. Say some shell company(or real company who cares) gives him 5 mill to do a car commercial. Hypothetically Michkov could leave right away no?

 

[BoneHutson]

I have a question I'd like to pose here. Obviously NHL teams are not allowed to buyout KHL contracts. So hear my out:

What if Michkov signed an advertisement contract that would pay him a bit more than enough to buyout his own contract? I suppose you would have to sus out if he would be willing to take that deal when it is presented to him, but give him enough to move his family over and buy out the contract and boom. Say some shell company(or real company who cares) gives him 5 mill to do a car commercial. Hypothetically Michkov could leave right away no?

I think so, but Im not sure wether or not his KHL team would have to agree on the buyout. If not (if its only Michkov’s choice) then yeah, its definitely plausible

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

I think the biggest obstacle to that scenario would be how difficult it is right now to transfer $ from US or Canadian banks to a Russian bank with all the sanctions in place.

 

[montreal]

 

[Dead Coyote]

SKA St. Petersburg lists Michkov weight as 148lbs. Many prospect sites list him as 150lbs or thereabouts. If he is near this weight, I can see why the KHL coach made that type of statement. It could be lost in translation that he was saying Michkov needs to bulk up for the KHL.

Michkov's FOWs are not that good being below 30%. That might be an indication of needing more bulk.

Lol he's a winger, not a center, never has been a center in recent memory, he's not expected to win faceoffs.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Oh well, new KHL salary cap rules. Now just U20 players' salaries don't count against the cap, it was U21 before...

 

[stator]

Betting on him going to SJ, Grier seems to be comfortable with Russian players and there's a spot on RW tailor made for him

Barabanov-Hertl-Michkov
Eklund-Couture-Wiesblatt

Would Couture be around by the time he comes over, and gone through the ELC slide? Hertl would be 34, but Grier probably trades him.

They could choose not to slide Michkov since he will be closer to mandatory UFA age.

 

[rsteen]

Would Couture be around by the time he comes over, and gone through the ELC slide? Hertl would be 34, but Grier probably trades him.

They could choose not to slide Michkov since he will be closer to mandatory UFA age.

ELCs only slide for 18 and sometimes 19 year olds. NHL CBA FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

By the time Michkov's KHL contract is up, his ELC won't be slide eligible.

 

[57special]

Has anything been cleared up about buying out his KHL contract?

Last I heard it could be bought out if he wanted to come to NA, but an NHL team couldn't buy it out.

That is the same with all players under contract to a KHL team, I think. Perhaps some have buyout clauses, others, not.

NVM, has posted above as to the process of a buy out. I believe it's a copy and paste from the KHL regs concerning contracts.

 

[Artemi Panarin]

Russia isn't going to stop a potential future star from going to the best hockey league in the world. It's just a question of if he'll be in the NHL by 2026 or possibly earlier.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Michkov admits he doesn't know hockey