No he had 23 points in 7 games also it was a weaker than usual WJC without Russia a weaker team got in and Bedard pretty much did most of the points vs two weak teams (13 points vs Austria and Germany). So he got an extra game vs weak competition. Vs the better teams (CzechX2, Sweden, Slovakia and USA). So one more game against a good team instead would put him 4-5 lower. Still an insane WJC for him, but he got a little help by that extra easy game.
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No he had 23 points in 7 games also it was a weaker than usual WJC without Russia a weaker team got in and Bedard pretty much did most of the points vs two weak teams (13 points vs Austria and Germany). So he got an extra game vs weak competition. Vs the better teams (CzechX2, Sweden, Slovakia and USA). So one more game against a good team instead would put him 4-5 lower. Still an insane WJC for him, but he got a little help by that extra easy game.
SKA-1946 got a lot of VHLers in the series that weren't possible to beat without good linemates and chemistry. They destroyed Dinamo Moscow in the next series even harder than they beat Kapitan. This is a professional league level team, and it's impossible to play vs it without a properly built roster. Michkov scored 6 points in 2 games vs MHL level team...
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Sure and thank you for the correciton.. my point stands... Half of Bedard's point total is a hell of a bar to clear!
I don’t know why but I have a feeling that Michkov will be Gusev 2.0, maybe slightly better when all is said and done. I mean superstar in KHL but can’t handle NHL level.
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nobody is older than 20, graf is 16, demidov 17. michkov looked like a non-factor that cheats on defence against them. his stint in the mhl is a huge red flag, on the same level as fantili crapping the bed in the wjc.
They had a few 2002 year kids, and they could probably beat any team at the WJC U20 but Canada. Kapitan on the other hand was a Germany level team (or even worse). On which Michkov had like one week of practice and 2 games played. He basically beat Vityazi singlehandedly in the play-in just because of his personal skills, it didn't work vs SKA-1946.
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Common...........are you an official scout of an interested NHL Team? Some Guys are so exagerating in downplaying Michkov that It seems almost a strategy to get Michkov At a lower Pick hehe. So Michkov is Like Gusev...i must admit, this is a good one
Its Like saying Bedard is Like Jordan Eberle....and luckily for you Eberle ist a much better Player than Gusev, but its only to say how absurd your Statement is.
Common can some canadien Hockey Fan Help Here pls. Both Bedard and Michkov are incredible and WE should be super exited because two real gems are emerging.
The two aren't comparable. They're completely different circumstances.
Fantilli was mediocre because he was playing out of position (wing) vs the best level of competition he has experienced thus far. He was used primarily as a depth guy.
Michkov was mediocre because he was the laziest person in the entire stadium vs competiton far below his talent level.
Gusev would be a good NHLer if his skating wasn't so putrid.
So what attribute of Michkov's game will hold him back? Other than size, he doesn't have any glaring weaknesses. His d-game isn't the greatest, but the same holds true for tons of other high end prospects.
Like Bedard and Fantilli, he's a sure-fire NHLer imo. Just how good he'll be is the question.
It's gonna be this way for the next few years: Sun rises in the East, Toronto is cupless again, Michkov sets another record for Russian players...
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& to make honest conversation I have a question.
With how strong 2nd hals Fantilli& Carlsson have had why is Michkov seen as superior to them talent wise vs them 3 seen in same tier?
The answer has to lie in offense so how much better offensively does he have to be to make up for the massive difference in every other area of the game?
Both Fantilli and Carlsson are superior defensively, more versatile players, better skaters and much bigger(while play the much more valuable position).
No one takes prime Gaudreau/ Panarin over prime Bergeron/Barkov.
So what are the realistic offensive expectations for prime Michkov? Realistic expectations.
I believe Michkov could be a superstar but he’d really have to be the next prime Ovy/Kucherov for the AINEC comments to make sense.
& instead of being superior they are in the same tier with the 2 being more valuable in the nhl
With how strong 2nd hals Fantilli& Carlsson have had why is Michkov seen as superior to them talent wise vs them 3 seen in same tier?
The answer has to lie in offense so how much better offensively does he have to be to make up for the massive difference in every other area of the game?
Both Fantilli and Carlsson are superior defensively, more versatile players, better skaters and much bigger(while play the much more valuable position).
No one takes prime Gaudreau/ Panarin over prime Bergeron/Barkov.
So what are the realistic offensive expectations for prime Michkov? Realistic expectations.
I believe Michkov could be a superstar but he’d really have to be the next prime Ovy/Kucherov for the AINEC comments to make sense.
& instead of being superior they are in the same tier with the 2 being more valuable in the nhl
So what are the realistic defensive expectations for prime Fantilli/Carlsson? Multiple Selke winner?
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I think they both have a top10C ceiling and are far more versatile as players than Michkov, which in the NHL is a pretty big thing
So my legit question is why are people still saying Michkov ainec instead of = ?
It's debatable, Michkov has one of the best edge work in the world. They are faster than him but he's more agile wich is more important in the offensive zone.
What about Kucherov or Kaprizov? I mean you take Kucherov over Barkov or Bergeron 11 times out of 10, and there is a good chance Michkov will be better than Kuch.
Are we talking about "ceiling" or "realistic expectations"? Because ceiling for Michkov is very-very high, like top1W for many years.
Why Russia wasnt winning WJC every year? An MHL team is better than any team at WJC other than Canada!
Coaches were CIA agents I guess
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Thank you for a legit answer.
For a smaller player skating just becomes even more important, it really should have to be at an elite level to ease the concerns on that part. As of today it’s a legit concern and an area where the 2 others have an edge over Michkov.
If all where equal in age even at that point it wouldn’t be an easy decision to take Kucherov over Bergeron, Bergeron is the best shutdown versatile in this league whon can score at an ppg pace.
& as long as he’s in Boston Bostons Cup window is open. This league runs through the middle that heavily.
Even Kaprizov I wouldn’t take, the only reason people don’t see Minnesota as a legit contender is their C group. So you take Kaprizov and you are left looking for that legit 1C.
& I can agree with you on Michkov having that potential but a good chance? Prime Kucherov is his ceiling and that’s never the easiest bet to make. Especially again when even you admit his skating isn’t elite for his size and European leagues are much more forgiving for that.
So if there’s basically 1 winger we can make the argument wouldn’t you then say they belong to the same tier instead of Michkov ainec?
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& I believe those 2 could flirt with top5-8 C ceiling but have top10 as more realistic ceiling/expectation. Especially with Carlsson based on his 2nd half.
The issue is that teams are so dependent on 1C’s, there’s not a Cup winning team without one.
So passing on potentially one that winger has to be a Ovy/Kucherov type to make sense and Michkov doesn’t come without risks.
McDavid, Mackinnon, Draisaitl, Barkov, Matthews, (Hughes+ Pettersson potentially getting there) the list of players you’d trade them is minimal. Because of the way they impact the game and to teams winning
So again wouldn’t it be more realistic to say they are all in the same tier instead of using word AINEC?
Because then again someone has to make sense for that based on the superiority in the overall game the 2 posses
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You can debate Kucherov v Barkov - personally I don't spend much time on that because I think Michkov has a narrower path to get to Kucherov than Carlsson does to get to Barkov (i.e. I like Carlsson's chances more).
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I think most of the comments come from how dominant he’s been in every international tournament. And I know you can’t just compare those games but he’s done at levels be his best peers mostly older than him across the world what most don’t do that translates to NHL stardom. prime Michkov can be a superstar winger that brings you out of your seat every night in his prime. For example I know people like to talk the 200 foot game, it’s important, but no one critiqued Patrick Kanes D game because he was just so good on offense.
I’ll say the more I’ve seen Fantilli and Carlsson the more I like them too. I really like Fantilli and if CBJ picks him based on what I’ve seen from league games I’m on board with a top puck. Im not as much of a Carlsson hater as I once was. I think his offense (Michkov) makes up for some lacks defensively.
They had 6 2002 guys and even more VHL regulars, and then Demidov brothers who were 1st and 2nd MHL PPG leaders. They weren't "an MHL team" that's the point...
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