2024-25 USNTDP U17 Discussion

[montreal]

Jackson Marthaler Goal/Mutryn Assist 2:26
Mutryn Goal 10:48
Mutryn SH Goal 14:28

 

[bigmacbc]

Jackson Marthaler Goal/Mutryn Assist 2:26
Mutryn Goal 10:48
Mutryn SH Goal 14:28

I'm going to be honest- I think Mutryn might be a first rounder by the time all is said and done. Really good size/skating combo, better defensive game than any of his fellows, and the production is pretty good, especially per game. Could be my BC-homerness, but I like him and Hurlbert more than any of the other forwards on the squad as future NHL guys.

 

[montreal]

I'm going to be honest- I think Mutryn might be a first rounder by the time all is said and done. Really good size/skating combo, better defensive game than any of his fellows, and the production is pretty good, especially per game. Could be my BC-homerness, but I like him and Hurlbert more than any of the other forwards on the squad as future NHL guys.

I liked what I saw so I will try to keep a closer eye on him next year.

 

[jtechkid]

Team got destroyed 10-2 i think last night . Somebody on this board was saying heavy discussion of having just one u -18 team ? My view might make sense because picking kids coming from midget hockey which is very hard for lot of them on how they translate playing junior hockey .

 

[Corso]

Team got destroyed 10-2 i think last night . Somebody on this board was saying heavy discussion of having just one u -18 team ? My view might make sense because picking kids coming from midget hockey which is very hard for lot of them on how they translate playing junior hockey .

Yeah that's what I've been hearing. Won't be for next year though.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Relax, the team loses by huge margins in their U17 year every year. And this team is dealing with losing their best 1-3 players every game for the last month due to promotions.

NTDP isn’t cutting a team, nor is losing by this scoreline a worry. Go check previous years score lines. Nothing new.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Relax, the team loses by huge margins in their U17 year every year. And this team is dealing with losing their best 1-3 players every game for the last month due to promotions.

NTDP isn’t cutting a team, nor is losing by this scoreline a worry. Go check previous years score lines. Nothing new.

The NTDP has a pretty insane track record of good NHL players. Every time I watch NHL games it feels like a new former NTDP kid is getting a callup. There's no reason to think players would start running away from the program.

 

[jtechkid]

Relax, the team loses by huge margins in their U17 year every year. And this team is dealing with losing their best 1-3 players every game for the last month due to promotions.

NTDP isn’t cutting a team, nor is losing by this scoreline a worry. Go check previous years score lines. Nothing new.

Well back to you on the 4-6 kids that should have made the team, wouldn’t it be easier picking u - 18 watching all the kids play ushl their u -17 year . The program for top end kids easy picks but they miss out development and have completely wrong picks maybe 30-40% of the team . Imagine , Whytenbach , Moe , Sychora , Simpson , Kevan , Fiddler , Rombach- ect on that team .

 

[sigx15]

Im so confused where this argument about getting rid of the U17 team is coming from. Theyve been getting the crapped kicked out of them in the USHL for years. That's kind of the whole point. Is this year a little worse than past years? Probably but down years happen. The WJC group who just won gold lost like 17 out of their last 22 games in the USHL in their U17 year. Where is this even coming from?

 

[jtechkid]

Im so confused where this argument about getting rid of the U17 team is coming from. Theyve been getting the crapped kicked out of them in the USHL for years. That's kind of the whole point. Is this year a little worse than past years? Probably but down years happen. The WJC group who just won gold lost like 17 out of their last 22 games in the USHL in their U17 year. Where is this even coming from?

Just think it would make the u -18 team dramatically better is the argument . It’s a 2 year contract so it’s just tough picking the right kids coming out of midgets . The program has been great but this would make it even better .

 

[sigx15]

Just think it would make the u -18 team dramatically better is the argument . It’s a 2 year contract so it’s just tough picking the right kids coming out of midgets . The program has been great but this would make it even better .

How would it make it better? The whole idea of the program is to develop players not about winning in the USHL. Just so I'm clear, you think players would develop more in their U17 year playing midget or for another USHL, NAHL, BCHL or CHL team than they would at the NTDP? I just can't disagree more

The whole idea is for them to learn what will and won't work at the next level, how hard they need to work to get there and develop against much stronger/older competition with more playing time than they'd most likely get otherwise. This all means the coach's #1 job is to develop players, winning in the USHL is about 10th on their priority list

If you think there's an issue with evaluation of players on who makes the NTDP, then that's a completely different conversation. If you think the current coaching staff sucks at developing players, that's another converstaion. But I think it's wildly off base to think a program that's revolutionized American hockey development into the NHL should change from a 2 year program to a 1 year program just because they're getting the wheels beaten off them in a meaningless USHL regular season game

 

[bigdog16]

How would it make it better? The whole idea of the program is to develop players not about winning in the USHL. Just so I'm clear, you think players would develop more in their U17 year playing midget or for another USHL, NAHL, BCHL or CHL team than they would at the NTDP? I just can't disagree more

The whole idea is for them to learn what will and won't work at the next level, how hard they need to work to get there and develop against much stronger/older competition with more playing time than they'd most likely get otherwise. This all means the coach's #1 job is to develop players, winning in the USHL is about 10th on their priority list

If you think there's an issue with evaluation of players on who makes the NTDP, then that's a completely different conversation. If you think the current coaching staff sucks at developing players, that's another converstaion. But I think it's wildly off base to think a program that's revolutionized American hockey development into the NHL should change from a 2 year program to a 1 year program just because they're getting the wheels beaten off them in a meaningless USHL regular season game

I couldn’t agree more. The 17s have gotten waxed at the USHL for years this is a total nothing burger.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Well back to you on the 4-6 kids that should have made the team, wouldn’t it be easier picking u - 18 watching all the kids play ushl their u -17 year . The program for top end kids easy picks but they miss out development and have completely wrong picks maybe 30-40% of the team . Imagine , Whytenbach , Moe , Sychora , Simpson , Kevan , Fiddler , Rombach- ect on that team .

There are problems with the NTDP, some of which you allude to. I'm not saying the whole model is perfect, but I don't think the solution is getting rid of a team. If there's anything I'd like to change in a big way, I'd like the roster to be more fluid from year to year.

 

[jtechkid]

There are problems with the NTDP, some of which you allude to. I'm not saying the whole model is perfect, but I don't think the solution is getting rid of a team. If there's anything I'd like to change in a big way, I'd like the roster to be more fluid from year to year.

Like somebody had alluded their has been buzz going around that they are looking into just one team . I Don’t really care that much but more speculating on why that buzz is being talked about . My only guess is they have hard time picking kids coming out of midgets and they miss lot of good players every year . By having everybody play one year of juniors maybe it gives them the best option to pick the best team for more complete development . The team done great but it’s usually top heavy in my view and they usually miss 4-8 kids every year . For instance if Kevan or Rombach is now on NTDP this year - compete at junior events against kids their age they could actually move up in draft rankings maybe into first round .

 

[bigdog16]

Like somebody had alluded their has been buzz going around that they are looking into just one team . I Don’t really care that much but more speculating on why that buzz is being talked about . My only guess is they have hard time picking kids coming out of midgets and they miss lot of good players every year . By having everybody play one year of juniors maybe it gives them the best option to pick the best team for more complete development . The team done great but it’s usually top heavy in my view and they usually miss 4-8 kids every year . For instance if Kevan or Rombach is now on NTDP this year - compete at junior events against kids their age they could actually move up in draft rankings maybe into first round .

There isnt any buzz. Someone mentioned it on HFboards and people ran with it.

Its impossible to nail down who will be the best 18 year olds at age 15/16. Kevan wasn’t considered because he had serious character issues if I recall. Rombach was just a case of a kid that wasn’t that good at 15-16 and now he is. It happens.