RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[Czechboy]

It'll be fun to watch fans of teams that passed on Michkov in 5 or so years...

It'll be interesting to see what happens after he is drafted too. I think it'll get very quiet on here about a month after the draft.

 

[Kshahdoo]

It'll be interesting to see what happens after he is drafted too. I think it'll get very quiet on here about a month after the draft.

Depending on what team will draft him. If it's, say, Toronto there will be more talking about him than Bedard for sure...

 

[HuGo Sham]

It's possible, but I suggest that you don't get your hopes up if that happens. The Habs won't be picking him.

i'm not getting my hopes up. it was a question

 

[Czechboy]

Depending on what team will draft him. If it's, say, Toronto there will be more talking about him than Bedard for sure...

I won't lie.. I can now not shake the image of what would happen if Toronto would draft him!lol

HF would melt down... it might legit be closed.lol

Microanalysis of Matthew's NLA year vs Michkov's KHL year

Imagine if Matthews does leave for Arizona and Michkov is the replacement

That would be a online shitstorm.haha

I have no idea where they draft but I hope they get him for the fireworks.lol

 

[Chainshot]

Depending on what team will draft him. If it's, say, Toronto there will be more talking about him than Bedard for sure...

This thread will slide to being for more quiet if it isn't Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver and maybe the Rangers making the selection. Regular KHL watchers will be putting in some input, there will be some fly-bys by people wondering how he's doing, and until he arrives in NA, probably not a whole lot else.

 

[PavelBrendl]

It's possible, but I suggest that you don't get your hopes up if that happens. The Habs won't be picking him.

They’d be making a huge mistake.

 

[Garl]

Better IQ, better shot, better hands, even better skating (at least in the offensive zone) and as a result better statistics in a tougher league and other tournaments. Isn't it enough?

Michkov's statistic is worse than Carlsson's this year. You can try to argue, that his potential is higher, he has higher ceiling etc. But in no way he had a better season this year.

Also, KHL tougher than SHL is very debatable at this point. Based on what?

 

[Kojo]

Michkov's statistic is worse than Carlsson's this year. You can try to argue, that his potential is higher, he has higher ceiling etc. But in no way he had a better season this year.

Also, KHL tougher than SHL is very debatable at this point. Based on what?

How is it possible to compare their stats? Either way Michkov is way better when you watch them side by side.

 

[Garl]

How is it possible to compare their stats? Either way Michkov is way better when you watch them side by side.

If you know both leagues it is not a complicated task.

Side by side is highly subjective, I would definitely not give any argument there

 

[NatusVincere]

Michkov's statistic is worse than Carlsson's this year. You can try to argue, that his potential is higher, he has higher ceiling etc. But in no way he had a better season this year.

Also, KHL tougher than SHL is very debatable at this point. Based on what?

Michkov in the KHL this year: 0.67 PPG (extra for stat nazis with his SKA games)
Carlsson in the SHL this year: 0.57 PPG

One has a body of a young Teenager and played for the worst team ever and the other is Leo Carlsson.

 

[Garl]

Michkov in the KHL this year: 0.67 PPG (extra for stat nazis with his SKA games)
Carlsson in the SHL this year: 0.57 PPG

One has a body of a young Teenager and played for the worst team ever and the other is Leo Carlsson.

Michkov in the KHL this year: couldn't crack a roster of SKA, go sent on o loan to it's farm team
Carlsson in SHL this year: plays a significant role on a contender

Michkov doesn't have a body of teenager. He is just small, and that's how he will be.
Carlsson on the other hand is an awkward 6'3 youngster, who only starts to get used to his body.

 

[majormajor]

Michkov in the KHL this year: 0.67 PPG (extra for stat nazis with his SKA games)
Carlsson in the SHL this year: 0.57 PPG

One has a body of a young Teenager

How much bigger do you expect him to get?

Scoring totals by tiny players in the KHL don't prove a whole lot. This is the league of Danforth and Dawes.

and played for the worst team ever

Yeah and played top line minutes and all the PP. Leo played on the third line.

It's much easier to put up points if you're "the guy" on a bad team than if you're a third liner on any team. To put it in the NHL context, in the last year, Max Domi has gone up and down from being a top liner on a bad team in Chicago to being a depth player on good teams like Carolina and Dallas. Of course he scored a lot more with the bad team. Erik Karlsson this year is setting scoring records playing for the worst Sharks team. He scored significantly less when he had to share time with Brent Burns.

 

[WarriorofTime]

It'll be interesting to see what happens after he is drafted too. I think it'll get very quiet on here about a month after the draft.

I mean it all depends what team he goes to. If it’s a team with a more prominent fan base he will be talked about good or bad a lot. If it’s a team like Columbus or Arizona, many fans around the league will lose interest until he comes over. For instance, when the Habs won the lotto, nobody could shut up about Shane Wright because people thought the habs would take him. When he actually fell to Seattle, he gets nary a mention these days.

 

[Czechboy]

I mean it all depends what team he goes to. If it’s a team with a more prominent fan base he will be talked about good or bad a lot. If it’s a team like Columbus or Arizona, many fans around the league will lose interest until he comes over. For instance, when the Habs won the lotto, nobody could shut up about Shane Wright because people thought the habs would take him. When he actually fell to Seattle, he gets nary a mention these days.

Wright though, after being drafted was visible.. NHL game or two, AHL game or two, was great in the Gold Game, doing well in OHL.

Michkov will be KHL and that is it. Maybe a zoom chat? I've never gotten answer to if he will be at the draft, combine, Guess time will tell. He's also the last visible high priority Russian as we saw him at U18 killing it and the aborted U20. Next years draft group will be lesser known to posters like myself unfortunately!

 

[NatusVincere]

@majormajor and Garl, you guys seems to be confused a little bit. Garl the Great claimed Carlsson had better stats. That’s wrong. And Michkov might not grow but he will surely have more weight in the future while Carlsson already playing with ~90 Kg. Btw Bedard is heavy too for his size.

 

[Czechboy]

Note: No idea who the poster is.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Note: No idea who the poster is.

This is why people who only look at stats are dumb

 

[ozzie]

Note: No idea who the poster is.

Missing the key fact that Ovechkin, his style of play and physical attributes transitioned into the NHL flawlessly. As did Malkin. It looks pretty stupid to compare the two now, with one most likely to score over 900 NHL goals, a Stanley Cup winner and WJC Gold champion. The NHL lockout fit perfectly with Ovechkin coming over and he was available quickly. The KHL/RHL was a different league when Ovechkin played. I'd argue much more difficult.

Availability is a skill and Michkov won't be available for a while. I think it's pretty silly to think his game will easily transition to NHL, when so many KHL players have failed. His unavailability for best-on-best similar age group tournaments also doesn't help, to compare against his peers.

He reminds me of Sergei Samsanov and that is not meant to be an insult, he was a very gifted player. Worst case scenario. I still think Kucherov is aiming pretty high for top end. Not convinced, whilst I have similar concerns for Bedard, they are less, but still in the back of my mind.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Matvei is not an Ovechkin level prospect.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Matvei is not an Ovechkin level prospect.

No he is not.

He statistically has had one of the best D-2, D-1 and draft year run for a prospect ever though.

 

[Leafs87]

Aren’t most teams rumoured to potentially stay away because he’s guaranteed to stay in the KHL for a few more years? Has nothing to do with his skill. Similar to the Kuznetsov situation with Washington taking him deep in the 1st knowing he won’t come over anytime soon after being drafted.

 

[stevo61]

Aren’t most teams rumoured to potentially stay away because he’s guaranteed to stay in the KHL for a few more years? Has nothing to do with his skill. Similar to the Kuznetsov situation with Washington taking him deep in the 1st knowing he won’t come over anytime soon after being drafted.

Some teams will be that short sighted but thats as much of a job killer for a GM as not getting a prospect who contributes right away. Most of the time even 1st overall picks dont hit their stride until their 2nd or 3rd year. To get a developed player who is potentially a star out of the gate and on an ELC could be huge for someone. Add to that the fact most of these tanking teams are not going to have a quick turnaround most can afford to wait

 

[Leafs87]

Some teams will be that short sighted but thats as much of a job killer for a GM as not getting a prospect who contributes right away. Most of the time even 1st overall picks dont hit their stride until their 2nd or 3rd year. To get a developed player who is potentially a star out of the gate and on an ELC could be huge for someone. Add to that the fact most of these tanking teams are not going to have a quick turnaround most can afford to wait

It is to some degree, but you could argue some GMs don’t have time to wait for him to come over. Other teams just can’t prolong their rebuild another 4 years. If we’re talking deep in the first it’s an easy conversation. Top 10 of this specific draft, there’s some players others might like right away or in the next year or 2

 

[Kshahdoo]

Matvei is not an Ovechkin level prospect.

Do you have any proves or is this just your opinion?

 

[WarriorofTime]

Do you have any proves or is this just your opinion?

Mostly opinion but strongly held conviction based on how good Ovechkin was as a prospect.