RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[Jeune Poulet]

3 years comes and goes before you know it.

So do the years where you have some RFA control over the players.

This isn't about being impatient. It's about understanding the CBA and determining how much bang for your buck you will get from the players you draft and how safe the selection is.

In such a quality draft, if teams don't think Michkov will jump early, he will most likely slip a few spots in favor of guys that are safer amd might jump in the lineup in their D+1 year.

Also helps i said player that isn't going to spend the offseason in a country that's at odds (to put it mildly) with the occident and if you don't have to deal with potential headaches like pride night ccontroversies.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Btw it says, Michkov is preparing for the NHL draft...

So do the years where you have some RFA control over the players.

This isn't about being impatient. It's about understanding the CBA and determining how much bang for your buck you will get from the players you draft and how safe the selection is.

In such a quality draft, if teams don't think Michkov will jump early, he will most likely slip a few spots in favor of guys that are safer amd might jump in the lineup in their D+1 year.

Also helps i said player that isn't going to spend the offseason in a country that's at odds (to put it mildly) with the occident and if you don't have to deal with potential headaches like pride night ccontroversies.

How many prospects do usually become legit NHLers in their first 3 years after draft? I mean solid enough to save their GMs jobs?

 

[Stewie Griffin]

How many prospects do usually become legit NHLers in their first 3 years after draft? I mean solid enough to save their GMs jobs?

Only rare cases. Look at Jack Hughes, he was a quality 1st overall pick and didn't pick up production until his 3rd year, and is now breaking out completely in his 4th.

 

[Kibe]

I'm a little late with this question but i have to ask. Is there some rule in KHL loans that prevented Michkov from joining SKA-1946 for the playoffs? Why didn't they loan him for the regular season only and then have him back to help win MHL championship and/or provide depth for KHL playoffs? I don't get it so i wonder If there's somekind of rule about it?

And now i'm just spitballing but, could that also affected his motivation in the playoff series? I mean not only are you playing for an inferior team but on top of that playing against the boys you grew up playing with.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I'm a little late with this question but i have to ask. Is there some rule in KHL loans that prevented Michkov from joining SKA-1946 for the playoffs? Why didn't they loan him for the regular season only and then have him back to help win MHL championship and/or provide depth for KHL playoffs? I don't get it so i wonder If there's somekind of rule about it?

And now i'm just spitballing but, could that also affected his motivation in the playoff series? I mean not only are you playing for an inferior team but on top of that playing against the boys you grew up playing with.

He played for Kapitan, Sochi's MHL affiliate. KHL has the same trade deadline as NHL. Players can't go from one system to another after the deadline. So Michkov was loaned to Sochi at the deadline and couldn't get back to SKA or any its affiliates.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Anyone else think he was going to do the jump with the dumbbells still in hand?

 

[Fantomas]

Only rare cases. Look at Jack Hughes, he was a quality 1st overall pick and didn't pick up production until his 3rd year, and is now breaking out completely in his 4th.

Yeah aside from Bedard, I don't see anyone in this draft doing anything significant in the NHL right off the bat.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I don't think him not showing more effort for Kaptain Stupid is that huge of a deal. He was still productive in the Series, he had proven himself in the KHL to that point and it wasn't even his real MHL team.

It'd be like taking Matty Beniers and having him play for a random OHL team in the Playoffs that he has zero connection (0 career GP) with.

He was probably already focused on the Draft, not going balls to wall every shift to win meaningless games (once you've been in the top league I can't imagine a junior league feeling particularly meaningful) with some random group of guys.

Of course since he is Russian, I'm sure some scouts will make a mountain out of a molehill because one time 15 years ago, Nikita Filatov didn't show enough effort and he became a bust. Or whatever nonsense Russian prospects have to deal with from biased NA scouts.

 

[NTDP]

Anyone else think he was going to do the jump with the dumbbells still in hand?

That's exactly what I thought. They can't all be Chris Kreider jumping out of a waist deep pool. That video was insane.

 

[SlafySZN]

Yeah aside from Bedard, I don't see anyone in this draft doing anything significant in the NHL right off the bat.

Fantilli might. Maybe not first year but within the first 3 years.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Fantilli might. Maybe not first year but within the first 3 years.

Like Eichel? I mean Eichel wasn't bad, but did he save Buffalo's GM's job?

 

[BB88]

Like Eichel? I mean Eichel wasn't bad, but did he save Buffalo's GM's job?

Eichel was hitting close to ppg during the last 2 years when scoring was lower.

Buffalo was just NHL’s biggest mess the last decade.

Columbus with ppg C would be legit on year 2 and 3

 

[Gold Standard]

Eichel was hitting close to ppg during the last 2 years when scoring was lower.

Buffalo was just NHL’s biggest mess the last decade.

Columbus with ppg C would be legit on year 2 and 3

What are you arguing here? Fantilli is a number 1 franchise center to lead CBJ to legit contender in two or 3 years. I doubt that very much. I doubt Fantilli can fix CBJ. It is going to take more than what CBJ currently has + Fantilli to get to legit status. But I may be wrong. He needs to spend another year at Michigan for starters.

 

[Kshahdoo]

What are you arguing here? Fantilli is a number 1 franchise center to lead CBJ to legit contender in two or 3 years. I doubt that very much. I doubt Fantilli can fix CBJ. It is going to take more than what CBJ currently has + Fantilli to get to legit status. But I may be wrong. He needs to spend another year at Michigan for starters.

Yeah, if you add Fantilli to current Columbus, it won't probably be any much better. But they have a lot of young players and some great prospects. Johnson, Marchenko, Chinakhov, Fix-Wolansky, Dumais, Jiricek, Silinger, and these are just top prospects and youngsters with NHL experience.

Still they have problems with goaltending and defense, but add to these bunch a young PPG center, and they will burn down some villages in 2-3 years for sure.

Will Fantilli become a young PPG center in his first 3 NHL seasons is another topic...

But what about Chicago? It looks like they will need a whole bunch of young PPG players to even come close to playoffs proximity.

 

[BB88]

What are you arguing here? Fantilli is a number 1 franchise center to lead CBJ to legit contender in two or 3 years. I doubt that very much. I doubt Fantilli can fix CBJ. It is going to take more than what CBJ currently has + Fantilli to get to legit status. But I may be wrong. He needs to spend another year at Michigan for starters.

Not next year but definitely in the 2nd and 3rd year of that elc Columbus should be legit.

They have a top3 prospect pool with Gaudreau/Laine/Werenski. What they need to most is to beef up their center group and have kids like Johnson& Jiricek gain more experience.
Johnson is going to be a legit star, Jiricek looks like a monster. They were just way too young to have made a difference this past season, or even next year.

So adding a guy like Fantilli could make a major difference for managaments future during his elc.

 

[Gold Standard]

Not next year but definitely in the 2nd and 3rd year of that elc Columbus should be legit.

They have a top3 prospect pool with Gaudreau/Laine/Werenski. What they need to most is to beef up their center group and have kids like Johnson& Jiricek gain more experience.
Johnson is going to be a legit star, Jiricek looks like a monster. They were just way too young to have made a difference this past season, or even next year.

So adding a guy like Fantilli could make a major difference for managaments future during his elc.

Hey, it's spring. and hope springs eternal. I'll check back in 3 years.

 

[BB88]

Hey, it's spring. and hope springs eternal. I'll check back in 3 years.

What a quality reply

 

[Kshahdoo]

Hey, it's spring. and hope springs eternal. I'll check back in 3 years.

Eternal spring...

 

[Fantomas]

Fantilli might. Maybe not first year but within the first 3 years.

Didn't even look good at the World Juniors.

 

[BB88]

Didn't even look good at the World Juniors.

Is that an sarcastic reply?

Eichel had 4 points at the WJC, went on to score 56 points as a rookie.
These tourneys always make for the biggest overreactions

 

[Kshahdoo]

Is that an sarcastic reply?

Eichel had 4 points at the WJC, went on to score 56 points as a rookie.
These tourneys always make for the biggest overreactions

Eichel hasn't done anything yet when it mattered, though...

 

[WarriorofTime]

Nobody turns a team around "by themselves", but that player if they live up to the hype, along with other players already in the prospect pool or in surrounding draft classes, can have a major impact 2-3 years down the line. This is what always happens, the NHL is cyclical and the story is as old as time (cranked to 100 in the salary cap era). It's always hard to envision teams on the bottom turning it around, until it happens and then it seems inevitable.

All the current top teams will have their players get old, or even if not old, hit unrestricted free agency and need top dollar contracts, freeing up depth to sign elsewhere, meanwhile teams that stink now and accumulate draft capital will have a bunch of the next wave pop up on cheap and team friendly deals with control, and have cap space to improve elsewhere.

 

[BB88]

Eichel hasn't done anything yet when it mattered, though...

It’s not about his skill set, it’s injuries+ character concerns.
Will you claim Fantilli is the same?

Fantilli& Carlsson are the only 2 players outside of Bedard Gm’s can have legit expectations on them making a impact during their elc straight from the draft.

For the others it would be a very very bad reason to use to pick someone over Michkov.
They will anyways take years to be ready and Michkov carries a clearly higher ceiling

 

[Kshahdoo]

It’s not about his skill set, it’s injuries+ character concerns.
Will you claim Fantilli is the same?

Not that I claim it, it's just when a player plays clearly under his skill level, it usually happens because of character problems. Fantilli played poorly at WJC, ability to play great at short tournaments is usually a good sign that the player does his best when it matters. The contrary usually means... well, the contrary.

 

[stevo61]

Not that I claim it, it's just when a player plays clearly under his skill level, it usually happens because of character problems. Fantilli played poorly at WJC, ability to play great at short tournaments is usually a good sign that the player does his best when it matters. The contrary usually means... well, the contrary.

Except he didnt play poorly unless the bar you are comparing him to is what Bedard did.