RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[Kshahdoo]

anybody know if Michkov's going to be playing on Wednesday?

Last season he didn't play immediately after he was loaned because Sochi played away games, and he joined them in Sochi. This season they play first home game on Friday, so it's probably the first game Matvei will play. But of course I can be wrong, and he'll play tomorrow.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Last season he didn't play immediately after he was loaned because Sochi played away games, and he joined them in Sochi. This season they play first home game on Friday, so it's probably the first game Matvei will play. But of course I can be wrong, and he'll play tomorrow.

Well Cherepovets is pretty close to St. Petersburg, so hopefully he can join the team there

 

[FlyguyOX]

It would be funny if Sochi ended up with a better record than SKA with Michkov

Looked the better team head to head. I’d say it’s likely

 

[Garl]

So Michkov is not as good, cause he didn’t make the SKA roster… but nevertheless Rotenberg is incompetent, as you always did know? And on top of that, if Michkov is scoring as expected with Sochi, it’s not counting as much, cause it’s for Sochi and not for SKA?! Do you even realise what the hell you are writing here?

And your soccer example is bad too. Why on earth it should be less impressive if a 17/18 year old scores the same stats for a bottom team than a 17/18 year old for a championship team. I say that’s only your opinion. Everyone knows that support matters. That’s why the big clubs are paying hundreds of millions for teenager like Mbappe. Mbappe had btw “only” 15 goals in 29 games before he became the 2nd most expensive transfer ever (he was loan first, but the transfer conditions were set when he joined Paris). But he did that being 17/18 years old playing for Monaco.

And as in the KHL there are conservative teams in soccer too. That’s why a club like Bayern spend 100 millions for an almost 30 year old Kane and a club like Barca is known for letting teenager play in their main squad. But that doesn’t mean that everyone of them is a new Messi. Bojan Krkic played for Barca at the age of 16. And at 25 in the 2nd english league. If the same conditions would be in hockey as in soccer with a free market, Michkov would be THE shit after his season with Sochi. The big clubs would outbid each other. No question about that.

What I am saying, is that playing for a farm team, where there willl be less competition and less responsibility is not good. And for all incompetence of Rotenberg, he is not making decisions alone and if Michkov was on 18 yo Ovechkin level, he would have been playing for SKA right now.
At the same time, Michkov got unlucky with a coach, and his move to center was a first big red flag to me. Rotenberg just doesn't know how to use Michkov, who is a unique player in his scheme where he doesn't see a roster spot for him.
Yes, RR in incompetent, a better coach would have found a way to use such talented player. A better GM would not have created this logjam in the first place.
So, yes, I knonw what I am writing, reality has many levels you know. It is possible that Michkov is not as good and pro ready as some hot heads in this thread think(which is evident by the indestructible legend of best season evar in Sochi) and Rotenberg is a bad coach who can only coach by a manual.

PS Ivan Toney or Mohamed Salah?

They're really not different. It's the same league, against the same teams. The only difference is the coach of one team is an entitled (incompetent) ass who can't bring himself to give ice time to an 18 year old player who's shorter than 5'11

Same league, same players, but a much less competetive environment, much less responsibility. Every year top players from bottom teams go to top teams and flop.

 

[Garl]

It would be funny if Sochi ended up with a better record than SKA with Michkov

Not going to happen

Looked the better team head to head. I’d say it’s likely

LOL

 

[Kshahdoo]

Well Cherepovets is pretty close to St. Petersburg, so hopefully he can join the team there

Already with the team so probably will play.

 

[Barrie22]

What I am saying, is that playing for a farm team, where there willl be less competition and less responsibility is not good. And for all incompetence of Rotenberg, he is not making decisions alone and if Michkov was on 18 yo Ovechkin level, he would have been playing for SKA right now.
At the same time, Michkov got unlucky with a coach, and his move to center was a first big red flag to me. Rotenberg just doesn't know how to use Michkov, who is a unique player in his scheme where he doesn't see a roster spot for him.
Yes, RR in incompetent, a better coach would have found a way to use such talented player. A better GM would not have created this logjam in the first place.
So, yes, I knonw what I am writing, reality has many levels you know. It is possible that Michkov is not as good and pro ready as some hot heads in this thread think(which is evident by the indestructible legend of best season evar in Sochi) and Rotenberg is a bad coach who can only coach by a manual.

PS Ivan Toney or Mohamed Salah?


Same league, same players, but a much less competetive environment, much less responsibility. Every year top players from bottom teams go to top teams and flop.

Michkov at 18 put up 20 points in 30 KHL games, Ovechkin at 18 put up 15 points in 40 games. So i am not sure what you mean by if Michkov was at Ovechkins level when he is already better at a younger age then Ovechkin was. And Michkov is a little younger of an 18 year old then Ovechkin was. As Michkov was 17 for 4 months of his 18 year year.

Ovechkin 19 age year he put up 24 in 53, 20 age year he put up 26 in 37.

Michkov being benched and never getting a chance for that one team shows its a coaching issue not a player issue.

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Michkov is in the lineup vs Severstal, per Hockeynewsclub

https://x.com/HockeyNewsHub/status/1701951196099964996?s=20

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Michkov at 18 put up 20 points in 30 KHL games, Ovechkin at 18 put up 15 points in 40 games

27 games, really. But yeah if you do a simple production adjustment between the eras to account for lower scoring, Michkov's 0.74 points per game still comes out to about 0.62 pts/gm vs Ovechkin's 0.45 or so pts/gm in his draft year

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Michkov 2RW with Tyanulin and Garaev

 

[Hanji]

Michkov at 18 put up 20 points in 30 KHL games, Ovechkin at 18 put up 15 points in 40 games. So i am not sure what you mean by if Michkov was at Ovechkins level when he is already better at a younger age then Ovechkin was. And Michkov is a little younger of an 18 year old then Ovechkin was. As Michkov was 17 for 4 months of his 18 year year.

Ovechkin 19 age year he put up 24 in 53, 20 age year he put up 26 in 37.

Michkov being benched and never getting a chance for that one team shows its a coaching issue not a player issue.

Don't even respond to that person. It's the same gimmick ad nauseam.

I'm starting to think its a quasi-bot. It's an account whose sole existance is dedicated to negativity and denigrating everything within a very narrow topic (Russian prospects/KHL). I've never seen anything like it. Something isnt right.
Best to put on ignore.

 

[MikeyS]

Man I can’t wIt till this kid come over to N/A and proves these people wrong. Only thing wrong with him to some is his passport.

 

[ponder]

Hockey coaches, like pretty much all human beings, rarely change their mind about others. There’s a massive amount of psychology research about this - people settle into their opinion about others quite quickly, and if that initial opinion is negative, it’s rare that they change that opinion. Rotenberg didn’t like Michkov’s game from day 1, and there’s a good chance he never will.

IMO, most of the time when a player is getting no shot on team A, then moves to team B and instantly breaks out, the main factor is belief from the coach. Team A’s coach has a poor first impression, doesn’t give them a shot, while team B’s coach likes their game and gives them a shot. Then even if they move to team C, at that point their game is proven, so team C’s coach is likely to believe in them by default.

Sochi is a much better place for Michkov’s development, for this reason, IMO.

 

[MikeyS]

Man I can’t wIt till this kid come over to N/A and proves these people wrong. Only thing wrong with him to some is his passport.

 

[Zine]

Hockey coaches, like pretty much all human beings, rarely change their mind about others. There’s a massive amount of psychology research about this - people settle into their opinion about others quite quickly, and if that initial opinion is negative, it’s rare that they change that opinion. Rotenberg didn’t like Michkov’s game from day 1, and there’s a good chance he never will.

IMO, most of the time when a player is getting no shot on team A, then moves to team B and instantly breaks out, the main factor is belief from the coach. Team A’s coach has a poor first impression, doesn’t give them a shot, while team B’s coach likes their game and gives them a shot. Then even if they move to team C, at that point their game is proven, so team C’s coach is likely to believe in them by default.

Sochi is a much better place for Michkov’s development, for this reason, IMO.

This is outdoubtedly magnified with SKA's coach. He overcompensates because he knows that everybody knows he has no background in hockey.
He has something to prove. He's never wrong. There's always some excuse for losing.
He's become the KHL joke for any fan outside of St. Petersburg, and probably there too.


Me think Michkov's fate was sealed last year when he reportedly ignored Rotenberg's off-season strength training regimen.

He's like 100x better off in Sochi under Kokarev.

 

[tnfrs]

39 is the new 69
he looks so good out there in the sochi colors. but sochi is not a good team lol it looks like sev has been on a power play all period. big daddy matty has had a few pretty good looks already, hes made some mistakes defensively but nothing major he just chases the puck a lot and still has a tendency to leave the zone early, I think thats just excitement though. with consistent regular minutes he'll find his timing on that shit

 

[tnfrs]

nice PP assist, collides with his team mate and just pushes the puck into the soft ice where his homeboy was heading

 

[deejb]

nice PP assist, collides with his team mate and just pushes the puck into the soft ice where his homeboy was heading

I doubt he touched the puck, so no assist but good play anyway.

 

[tnfrs]

I doubt he touched the puck, so no assist but good play anyway.

ya idk i cant rewind my feed

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

I doubt he touched the puck, so no assist but good play anyway.

he touched that puck undoubtedly

 

[tnfrs]

he touched that puck undoubtedly

if he didnt the first time, he definitely got a secondary on the second goal but its less impressive, still a great break out and the sequence before it he was hunting for that puck like a shark in the shallow end

gg matty

 

[Kcoyote3]

So 2 assists, and a near third assist. Pretty solid.

 

[1909]

What I am saying, is that playing for a farm team, where there willl be less competition and less responsibility is not good. And for all incompetence of Rotenberg, he is not making decisions alone and if Michkov was on 18 yo Ovechkin level, he would have been playing for SKA right now.
At the same time, Michkov got unlucky with a coach, and his move to center was a first big red flag to me. Rotenberg just doesn't know how to use Michkov, who is a unique player in his scheme where he doesn't see a roster spot for him.
Yes, RR in incompetent, a better coach would have found a way to use such talented player. A better GM would not have created this logjam in the first place.
So, yes, I knonw what I am writing, reality has many levels you know. It is possible that Michkov is not as good and pro ready as some hot heads in this thread think(which is evident by the indestructible legend of best season evar in Sochi) and Rotenberg is a bad coach who can only coach by a manual.

PS Ivan Toney or Mohamed Salah?


Same league, same players, but a much less competetive environment, much less responsibility. Every year top players from bottom teams go to top teams and flop.

What about Michkov's overall attitude ?

 

[Dr Jablonski PhD]

Some plays from the game

 

[JABEE]

https://x.com/ungertaker/status/1702016219879194859?s=20

https://x.com/ungertaker/status/1702022712376574317?s=20

Why is this shit not embedding anymore. Anyway, some plays from the game

How was this guy not making SKA? Look how smooth his passing and puck control are in just three highlights? lol