RW Kaapo Kakko - TPS, Liiga (2019 Draft) Part 3

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I have watched dozens of games from Kakko from this ssn and even replayed them shift-by-shift kinda like and I can tell u, if he had a lot better luck with those scoring chances he has created for himself and his teammates he wuld've had 20+ pts in last 10 games instead of 10 in 10. Even that pt/g pace from that span tells about it that **** yeah hes a dominant player. U can't just read puck possession numbers and corsi-numbers etc... from his goals+assist=total pts/g stats.

Liiga isnt a high scoring league either (even if numbers probably are trending upward), so what shuld we expect from an 18-year old who is playing on a team that has been such a mess for quite a while now?

I believe Kakko’s PDO for the season is under 100. Not a lot under, but under.
 
I believe Kakko’s PDO for the season is under 100. Not a lot under, but under.
It was over 100 for quite long, but now its 99,1. I think TPS's performance lately is what has dragged it down. Their defense is....well... Lets just say that i pity their goalies.

Not that i would give much weight to PDO anyways, since most players with high PDO in Liiga are bottom line grinders.
 
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Yeah PDO is essentially considered the "luck" stat. With 99.1 you would somewhat expect him to have scored a little higher. But it's not significant enough at that point, really. It's more for when it's like 95 or 105. However, recently I'm sure the PDO has been very low so even him having a point per game in the last 10 or so - He probably should have more than that.

Speaking of corsi, his corsi's very good, top 3 on his team.
 
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I was told that he isn't generating goal scoring chances left and right which tells enough that he's not playing in the wrong league.
"I was told"? So you are commenting on the player based on hearsay from a "friend". Please watch the prospect play and then comment. I am pretty sure Kakko plays in the NHL next season but that of course depends on who drafts him. He is as ready as you can be. His playstyle is like made for NHL. BASTA.
 
Connor McDavid would have at least 250 points every season with "better luck", but sadly that just doesn't happen, cause goaltenders are pretty good in professional hockey and they tend to cause opponents "bad luck" quite often.

Yes u have a great point there. However majority of the gks tends to be more or less unstabile, which means that even after hot streaks that one might have they also have bad games cuz they r only humans. They affect to luck by themselves on how good day and abilities they have (either athletic, basic hockey skills and mental side).

I havent seen enough games from every TPS's opponents to analyze their gks and when they are on their game, but even if there have been evidence of them shutting out Kakko and co's there also have been several post shots that usually beats the gk but not the post (=bad luck; even if it was cuz gk forced to shoot of the post, fatigue effected on the shot, or the shot hit the stick of Dman on the way to the post etc...)

Also luck effects to individuals life one other way too. How are the teammates doing in the game (hows their confidence lvl atm, do they have some other struggless etc...) that means that their lvl of playing affects to individual's personal success aswell in the games. Great players tho doesnt need same tier players necessarily if they can make players around them better creating plays and are constantly able to deliver the puck for them for grade A chances (empty nets, 1 on 1 situations, breakaways, loose puck chances in the crease, rebounds etc...). But ofc the luck factor gets higher when u have fresh players delivering ur passes or rebounds and they have ability and skill to put them home. I dont say that TPS teammates doesnt have the ability, but its either some preparation, problems with confidence, tactical side or some other thing coming from outside that influence negatively to their game atm.. One guy cant do too much even if I think Kakko is already a game changer by himself aswell, but young and at times inexperienced to carry all that load by himself. (Maybe even appearance for trying to do too much on his own affects to their results in some situation, cuz he wants to win every situation that much)

Hockey's being a teamgame theres always luck that has some role to the success, even in wide margin games, but especially the tight ones, that we're going to see more when the poffs starts.

My point wasnt to underestimate goaltenders role even if some successful gks might get advantage playing in front of great defence, and others has abilities to change the luck and momentum to their side. Tho even gk role is evolving, mostly cuz of rule changes and goal crease changes, that it wuld become more and more entertaining for the crowd to watch and pay to see all their favorites scoring more and more.

I wuld even say that Gretzky, even if he was a great player, he also was lucky to play with great players throughout his career, and he stayed healthy unlike Mario Lemieux (who unluckily suffered all kinds of cancers and other health problems). That being said, it doesnt mean that bad luck players are bad players, cuz everybody will face that time when luck seems not to be on their side at all (yes even McDavid).

And I'm actually pretty sure that if somebody, then its most likely McDavid, who has chances to get pretty close to those Gretzky's premier ssn numbers, but even that requires all the luck with better management, teammates, role (shuldnt play speedy 200 foot game like 25+ mins per game) and health to accomplish that. Luck has more and more less effect in the cases the better the player u are obviously.

All in all with all the struggless TPS have had I didnt stated that Kakko has been unlucky, vice versa he's still done a great job producing despite all that - so hes lucky and skilled player obv.

My main point despite exaggerating a bit of that "20 pts in 10 games" was to demonstrate the fact that hes playing in the wrong league, but cant rly yet to play any higher.
 
Well, Sam Cosentino's rankings have Kaapo Kakko #1OA ahead of Hughes.

That's very interesting because he had Jesperi Kotkaniemi as #19 in April 2018.
 
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It's almost as if people form their own opinions on players and most likely don't have vendettas against countries unless they're an old timer who hates Russians.
Yep, it means he's not a person who favors Finns.

That was the criticism for that Panthers list.
 
Maybe Finnish hockey fans are generally on average A) more knowledgeable on Finnish prospects, B) on average more interested about them than other prospects, C) thus more active in speaking about them, D) that being a demonstration of that so called "nationalism" or not, but in all cases such alleged (and very natural) hockey-nationalism is thousandfold better way to project some prism upon other peoples/fanpools/national hockey programs than various other ways we can read everyday from a news. Weird whining there. Above.

Kakko-level prospects don't grow on trees. Not even here in Finland.
 
... My god. I commented on that ranking (Sportsnet’s 2019 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings: March - Sportsnet.ca), and made the comment about Kotkaniemi because that signifies that he does not favor Finns. Which might lead into this being taken seriously, unlike that Panthers one.

That has nothing to do with what I do or do not favor. And by the way, I have criticized plenty of Finns, read the Hintz thread.

I am most familiar with Finns, I comment on them the most.
Nope. Nothing here excuses your comment. Also I said to bring this to PM or another thread. Stop distracting from the thread with your claims that people have biases against finns
 
Nope. Nothing here excuses your comment. Also I said to bring this to PM or another thread. Stop distracting from the thread with your claims that people have biases against finns
You start this garbage for the second time in this thread and you have the balls to go "Bring this to PM, stop distracting from the thread".
 
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Nope. Nothing here excuses your comment.
Which comment do you find inexcusable? I was not making any excuses for anything, in case you got confused. And you're the one OTing and attacking me personally, aren't you... I'm not going to read or reply to your PMs so I don't really care where you take it, but it probably shouldn't be in this thread.
Stop distracting from the thread with your claims that people have biases against finns
By the way, I did not claim this. I assume what you need to argue against is your imagination, not me. And by the way, you're the one who's distracting from the thread with your claims, not me. I was discussing a ranking with Kakko #1OA.
 
You start this garbage for the second time in this thread and you have the balls to go "Bring this to PM, stop distracting from the thread".
LAst I checked he made the comment about someone being biased against Finns. This isn't a language issue, it's a common sense one. If HE made the first comment then HE started it.

We're done here. PM me when you want to show evidence of this supposed bias. Instead of hurling baseless claims


Which comment do you find inexcusable? I was not making any excuses for anything, in case you got confused. And you're the one OTing and attacking me personally, aren't you... I'm not going to read or reply to your PMs so I don't really care where you take it, but it probably shouldn't be in this thread.

By the way, I did not claim this. I assume what you need to argue against is your imagination, not me. And by the way, you're the one who's distracting from the thread with your claims, not me. I was discussing a ranking with Kakko #1OA.
I don't know what part of "PM or another thread" you find so difficult

This is not at all the same thing as me saying he's biased against Finns. Dear lord.

It's the same thing. Again. PM. Not difficult.
 
LAst I checked he made the comment about someone being biased against Finns.
Yep, it means he's not a person who favors Finns.
This is not at all the same thing as me saying he's biased against Finns. Dear lord. My whole point is that I've been looking for a ranking with Kakko first that's not the Panthers one because he apparently favors Finns too much. Well, I even explained this earlier to you in this very thread.

Good if it's the last post.
 
My whole point is that I've been looking for a ranking with Kakko first that's not the Panthers one because he apparently favors Finns too much. Well, I even explained this earlier to you in this very thread.

By saying "He is not a guy who favors Finns" you made it look like you were upset because he does not favor Finns.

You wrote your opinion in a very odd way, likely bc of language barrier issues. The weird way you wrote this, in combination with the way things often shake out in this thread, made me think you were being biased.

I have no problem saying sorry, I misunderstood your intent on this one.

Obviously quite a few people have pointed out the very over the top "pro Finn" stuff that goes on in this thread. In this circumstance, that reputation helped lead to a misunderstanding. I'll ask you to clarify next time before making an assumption
 
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By saying "He is not a guy who favors Finns" you made it look like you were upset because he does not favor Finns.
No I did not, I was happy about it because then the list might have some credibility. God. Eyeroll. Why on earth would it be a positive if he favored Finns while he had Kakko first? Then that'd be meaningless. Best of all would be if he was biased against Finns and STILL had Kakko first. Do you use your brain?

Now it'd be great if you stopped OTing, stopped insulting me and stopped derailing just because you can't decipher what I'm saying.
 
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I don't know is it exactly worth of anything to argue over a random list by random dude (biased or not), when it's evident that Kakko will go with high Draft # anyway (unless something really dramatic happen before the draft). I'm more concerned about Miss Fortuna as she can be real bitch sometimes. Exact draft number is almost entirely irrelevant for me as long as Kaapo will be picked by a team where he has real chance to play, enough good line up to fit in, team that isn't in the process of eternal rebuilding, having some real future prospects under committed and competent management. I don't care if he goes like #7 or something if he won't get picked by some desperate sewer crawler franchise.

May the hockey gods save him from such destiny. Amen.
 
I don't know is it exactly worth of anything to argue over a random list by random dude (biased or not), when it's evident that Kakko will go with high Draft # anyway (unless something really dramatic happen before the draft). I'm more concerned about Miss Fortuna as she can be real ***** sometimes. Exact draft number is almost entirely irrelevant for me as long as Kaapo will be picked by a team where he has real chance to play, enough good line up to fit in, team that isn't in the process of eternal rebuilding, having some real future prospects under committed and competent management. I don't care if he goes like #7 or something if he won't get picked by some desperate sewer crawler franchise.

May the hockey gods save him from such destiny. Amen.
Sounds like he should come to Detroit
 
No I did not, I was happy about it because then the list might have some credibility. God. Eyeroll. Why on earth would it be a positive if he favored Finns while he had Kakko first? Then that'd be meaningless. Best of all would be if he was biased against Finns and STILL had Kakko first. Do you use your brain?

Now it'd be great if you stopped OTing, stopped insulting me and stopped derailing just because you can't decipher what I'm saying.

Yes. You did. Either way, I said it was a misunderstanding and apologized. I'm ignoring most of this post since it's mostly off topic, unintelligent whining over something I apologized for
 
Not really surprising to hear Kakko has participated the same skating school as Heiskanen. Both players have butter smooth edge work and impressive acceleration.

Video: Miro Heiskasta ja Kaapo Kakkoa valmentanut luisteluguru kertoo nykykiekon vaatimuksista: ”Ne ovat ykkösjuttuja”
Ehh.....I'm thinking this is a case of "They attended once or twice"... Like the guy himself says, he had nothing to do with Heiskanen and his skating, he was a great skater already. Plus on the video he never even says Kakko's name when asked who he's taught.
 
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Ehh.....I'm thinking this is a case of "They attended once or twice"... Like the guy himself says, he had nothing to do with Heiskanen and his skating, he was a great skater already. Plus on the video he never even says Kakko's name when asked who he's taught.
Who knows? You don't have to attend years in those kind of schools, you only need month or two in the summer to plant the seed for the right technique.
 
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