RW Kaapo Kakko - TPS, Liiga (2019 Draft) Part 3

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If he can drag TPS to the Luga title = champions then we might have a case for Kaapo being more clutch/dominant than Laine. Is he better, apples and oranges. Time will tell. Both should only get better. Laine should drop this Fortenite craze or whateve it is though. Not sure if serious, sorry.

Okay, do we have the first overall here?

Yea Kakko overall is more dominant but Laine just forced his team into winning the whole title with his last minute goal, the last second goal and all the other important goals he scored. It was like taken from a movie.
 
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With 21 goals in 29 games lately which is actually ridiculous, especially considering he actually could have had a couple more..

When do one start the discussion about being generational? :naughty:
 
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A pretty nice shift by Kakko and drew a penalty.

But my lord is TPS awful. Especially Filppula.
 

This is the drawn penalty.

Otherwise, okay but not amazing.

TPS losing 5-16 in corsi, pretty epic.
 
What really hits me watching this game is the empty seats?? where the heck?! I thought everyone in finland loved hockey? and its even playoff!
 
What really hits me watching this game is the empty seats?? where the heck?! I thought everyone in finland loved hockey? and its even playoff!
1. It's Monday 2. Gatorade Center is enormous compared to other arenas (11k seats I think?) so it'll always look empty.

Average attendance for TPS this season has been 5462 which is the second highest.

HIFK has the highest with 7100
 
1. It's Monday 2. Gatorade Center is enormous compared to other arenas (11k seats I think?) so it'll always look empty.

Average attendance for TPS this season has been 5462 which is the second highest.

HIFK has the highest with 7100

ah okey, says alot :D
 
Kakko has generated two power plays for his team so far today I believe or is it more? I haven't watched that closely. Opposition cannot defend against him without breaking rules.
 
What are you talking about? My gestures while reading this nonsense...

One game? No, it's specifically the fact that he does this every game, and not just that, almost every shift. That's what's remarkable about him. Such remarkable will to win and tenacity in his play, never giving up on the play, making things happen. And he is at over a point per game with some 21 goals in his past 29 games. One game? Tons of different fan bases have praised his play, HPK fans even chanted his play. And their fans went to talk to TPS fans about what a good player they have, right? Just how often do you think this stuff happens? To me, it's a far more controversial statement to say that there are over a dozen better Finns outside of NHL. But even if someone says something like that, that's in my opinion not an open invitation to ridicule them to some 1800+ followers, seeking approval - that's a very weak, low self-confidence move. As are these strawmen of yours, "Crosby and McDavid" and "one game sample size", being some examples.

If you have such low confidence in your points that you can't even argue for them properly without strawmen, how about not making them? And the victim card? Please.

They were taunting him...
 
No, I said that I think kakko could step in the NHL right now and be one of the best finns in the NHL right now.. And that what I THINK, still do.. @ME pls twitter guy ;) Idc.. I stand by it

I don't have a clue what you're talking about, but I was commenting on the bolded part. HPK fans were taunting him.
 
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Not his strongest game but had his moments. Tps can't generate any speed to fly past neutral zone.
 
I feel like the defence is the biggest problems, I mean seriously? does every single d-man on tps really play hockey for a living?
 
With 21 goals in 29 games lately which is actually ridiculous, especially considering he actually could have had a couple more..

When do one start the discussion about being generational? :naughty:
When he has generational hockey IQ, which he for sure doesn't have. To be a truly generational player the player must absolutely have more completely elite skills than puck protection and dangling. I absolutely don’t see it in Kakko, or any other Finnish prospect now or from the last years. The players with the best hockey IQ for Finnish young players at the moment are Aho, Teräväinen and Kotkaniemi, and probably Barkov is pretty close too, although I see him dominating more with excellent hands and puck controlling, in a bit similar way as Kakko. Sorry, but Kakko is clearly behind each of them with his hockey IQ.

I’m not saying that Kakko isn’t still special, but he isn’t in any kind of a different league as a prospect than Laine, Barkov and Aho, and not even more special than Teräväinen, as Teräväinen had clearly the better hockey IQ than Kakko as an 18 year old. Of course he was miles behind Kakko physically, but that is a changing variable for all prospects, as you can’t say for sure that Kakko will be right away physically dominating in the NHL already next season. I do very highly doubt that happening, but only time will tell.

This Kakko fanboyism is seriously getting a bit out of hands. I see that he is definitely special in similar class as Laine, Barkov and Aho were, but seriously, if anyone thinks that Kakko has better or even equal hockey IQ as Aho, Teräväinen or even Laine or Rantanen, then they are out to lunch.

Kakko is pretty much a dangler and a puck hog. To some people that kind of playstyle equals as being absolutely dominating. I don’t see it really that way. If you are good at holding the puck and scoring by yourself, you can definitely be a very good player in some situations, but still the best players are the ones that make their teams and team mates do really well with the end results.

People can blame Kakko’s team mates for not producing consistently and helping his team get wins with his high class play, like Laine or Aho did in the Liiga playoffs, but the truth is that both Laine and Aho did make their teams clearly better with their results and they made their team mates and line mates clearly better with their performances. Sorry, but Kakko hasn’t done yet anything like that, except in one playoffs game - which his team lost anyway.

And no, Laine’s Tappara team wasn’t much better altogether with their roster with players like Ilomäki, Karjalainen and others pretty high in their roster. Tappara was probably better coached though, but still Laine was after all the absolute sparkplug in the playoffs and he did seriously carry them to the Championship together with Kristian Kuusela. Palve is in fact a clearly similar caliber player as Kuusela. so Kakko does get to play with a real quality linemate.

Kakko is of course great as a prospect, but I do think that worshipping him is still getting pretty much out of hands here. The kid needs to still consistently dominate with his end results, which his great finish to his Liiga regular season was a good start with, but he has still some ways to go to be truly more impressive than Laine or Barkov with his draft season as a whole.
 
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When he has generational hockey IQ, which he for sure doesn't have. To be a truly generational player the player must absolutely have more completely elite skills than puck protection and dangling. I absolutely don’t see it in Kakko, or any other Finnish prospect now or from the last years. The players with the best hockey IQ for Finnish young players at the moment are Aho, Teräväinen and Kotkaniemi, and probably Barkov is pretty close too, although I see him dominating more with excellent hands and puck controlling, in a bit similar way as Kakko. Sorry, but Kakko is clearly behind each of them with his hockey IQ.

I’m not saying that Kakko isn’t still special, but he isn’t in any kind of a different league as a prospect than Laine, Barkov and Aho, and not even more special than Teräväinen, as Teräväinen had clearly the better hockey IQ than Kakko as an 18 year old. Of course he was miles behind Kakko physically, but that is a changing variable for all prospects, as you can’t say for sure that Kakko will be right away physically dominating in the NHL already next season. I do very highly doubt that happening, but only time will tell.

This Kakko fanboyism is seriously getting a bit out of hands. I see that he is definitely special in similar class as Laine, Barkov and Aho were, but seriously, if anyone thinks that Kakko has better or even equal hockey IQ as Aho, Teräväinen or even Laine or Rantanen, then they are out to lunch.

Kakko is pretty much a dangler and a puck hog. To some people that kind of playstyle equals as being absolutely dominating. I don’t see it really that way. If you are good at holding the puck and scoring by yourself, you can definitely be a very good player in some situations, but still the best players are the ones that make their teams and team mates do really well with the end results.

People can blame Kakko’s team mates for not producing consistently and helping his team get wins with his high class play, like Laine or Aho did in the Liiga playoffs, but the truth is that both Laine and Aho did make their teams clearly better with their results and they made their team mates and line mates clearly better with their performances. Sorry, but Kakko hasn’t done yet anything like that, except in one playoffs game - which his team lost anyway.

And no, Laine’s Tappara team wasn’t much better altogether with their roster with players like Ilomäki, Karjalainen and others pretty high in their roster. Tappara was probably better coached though, but still Laine was after all the absolute sparkplug in the playoffs and he did seriously carry them to the Championship together with Kristian Kuusela. Palve is in fact a clearly similar caliber player as Kuusela. so Kakko does get to play with a real quality linemate.

Kakko is of course great as a prospect, but I do think that worshipping him is still getting pretty much out of hands here. The kid needs to still consistently dominate with his end results, which his great finish to his Liiga regular season was a good start with, but he has still some ways to go to be truly more impressive than Laine or Barkov with his draft season as a whole.
Look who is back preaching about players hockey IQs. :rolleyes:

No one has even mentioned Kakko's IQ in the last few pages and yet you talk like recently people have been ranking Kakko's IQ above everyone else when that's clearly not the case. I'm personally fine with Aho having the slightly better IQ because on the other hand Kakko's other skills are mostly something that Aho, Laine or Teräväinen doesn't come even close to. I don't think having a higher IQ than someone else automatically makes you a better player than them. You are still an athlete after all so your other skills matter.

I also think you are the last person here who should be using the word fanboyism after the Laine campaign you've had here for the last 3 years. It's clear you were driven by agenda back then and the same can be seen now with everyone you say about Kakko. I think the fact you had to throw a jab at Kakko's last game where he was part in his team's every goal tells pretty much everything. It's also funny how you mentioned Aho and Laine making their linemates better, yet somehow forgot to mention Barkov who were arguably the biggest contributor in making his linemates better in Liiga.

I don't argue that Kakko is in bad situtation in TPS since he gets a lot of ice time and gets to play with Palve who is a really solid guy for Liiga's standards but there is still a clear gap between Tappara's team back then compared to TPS. And not just by how much better the players were in Tappara but also how much better coached the team was, that's almost just as important as good players in the team. But like I said, Kakko isn't in bad situtation in TPS but there is no denying the team as a whole hasn't been playing like a top-3 team in a month or two.

And lastly, who really cares whether Kakko will win the Jari Kurri trophy or the WHC best player award to conquer Laine's or Barkov's draft seasons? When people are talking about Kakko being better than Laine or even Barkov in their draft years, they are talking about his projection as a player in NHL.
 
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