RW Kaapo Kakko - TPS, Liiga (2019 Draft) Part 3

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When he has generational hockey IQ, which he for sure doesn't have. To be a truly generational player the player must absolutely have more completely elite skills than puck protection and dangling. I absolutely don’t see it in Kakko, or any other Finnish prospect now or from the last years. The players with the best hockey IQ for Finnish young players at the moment are Aho, Teräväinen and Kotkaniemi, and probably Barkov is pretty close too, although I see him dominating more with excellent hands and puck controlling, in a bit similar way as Kakko. Sorry, but Kakko is clearly behind each of them with his hockey IQ.

I’m not saying that Kakko isn’t still special, but he isn’t in any kind of a different league as a prospect than Laine, Barkov and Aho, and not even more special than Teräväinen, as Teräväinen had clearly the better hockey IQ than Kakko as an 18 year old. Of course he was miles behind Kakko physically, but that is a changing variable for all prospects, as you can’t say for sure that Kakko will be right away physically dominating in the NHL already next season. I do very highly doubt that happening, but only time will tell.

This Kakko fanboyism is seriously getting a bit out of hands. I see that he is definitely special in similar class as Laine, Barkov and Aho were, but seriously, if anyone thinks that Kakko has better or even equal hockey IQ as Aho, Teräväinen or even Laine or Rantanen, then they are out to lunch.

Kakko is pretty much a dangler and a puck hog. To some people that kind of playstyle equals as being absolutely dominating. I don’t see it really that way. If you are good at holding the puck and scoring by yourself, you can definitely be a very good player in some situations, but still the best players are the ones that make their teams and team mates do really well with the end results.

People can blame Kakko’s team mates for not producing consistently and helping his team get wins with his high class play, like Laine or Aho did in the Liiga playoffs, but the truth is that both Laine and Aho did make their teams clearly better with their results and they made their team mates and line mates clearly better with their performances. Sorry, but Kakko hasn’t done yet anything like that, except in one playoffs game - which his team lost anyway.

And no, Laine’s Tappara team wasn’t much better altogether with their roster with players like Ilomäki, Karjalainen and others pretty high in their roster. Tappara was probably better coached though, but still Laine was after all the absolute sparkplug in the playoffs and he did seriously carry them to the Championship together with Kristian Kuusela. Palve is in fact a clearly similar caliber player as Kuusela. so Kakko does get to play with a real quality linemate.

Kakko is of course great as a prospect, but I do think that worshipping him is still getting pretty much out of hands here. The kid needs to still consistently dominate with his end results, which his great finish to his Liiga regular season was a good start with, but he has still some ways to go to be truly more impressive than Laine or Barkov with his draft season as a whole.
Can't agrer with this Aho IQ thing. Aho is very smart player but especially his poise for defensive game and abitility to remain calm is not that high. His stealing abitility is great and vision also. But he lacks also some parts of IQ from my point of view.

Kakko definitely has good IQ but can't say much about him yet. Kotkaniemi played more individual game than Kakko pre-draft but couldn't do it in Liiga how can say he have higher hockey iq? How you base your evaluation?
 
When he has generational hockey IQ, which he for sure doesn't have. To be a truly generational player the player must absolutely have more completely elite skills than puck protection and dangling. I absolutely don’t see it in Kakko, or any other Finnish prospect now or from the last years. The players with the best hockey IQ for Finnish young players at the moment are Aho, Teräväinen and Kotkaniemi, and probably Barkov is pretty close too, although I see him dominating more with excellent hands and puck controlling, in a bit similar way as Kakko. Sorry, but Kakko is clearly behind each of them with his hockey IQ.

I’m not saying that Kakko isn’t still special, but he isn’t in any kind of a different league as a prospect than Laine, Barkov and Aho, and not even more special than Teräväinen, as Teräväinen had clearly the better hockey IQ than Kakko as an 18 year old. Of course he was miles behind Kakko physically, but that is a changing variable for all prospects, as you can’t say for sure that Kakko will be right away physically dominating in the NHL already next season. I do very highly doubt that happening, but only time will tell.

This Kakko fanboyism is seriously getting a bit out of hands. I see that he is definitely special in similar class as Laine, Barkov and Aho were, but seriously, if anyone thinks that Kakko has better or even equal hockey IQ as Aho, Teräväinen or even Laine or Rantanen, then they are out to lunch.

Kakko is pretty much a dangler and a puck hog. To some people that kind of playstyle equals as being absolutely dominating. I don’t see it really that way. If you are good at holding the puck and scoring by yourself, you can definitely be a very good player in some situations, but still the best players are the ones that make their teams and team mates do really well with the end results.

People can blame Kakko’s team mates for not producing consistently and helping his team get wins with his high class play, like Laine or Aho did in the Liiga playoffs, but the truth is that both Laine and Aho did make their teams clearly better with their results and they made their team mates and line mates clearly better with their performances. Sorry, but Kakko hasn’t done yet anything like that, except in one playoffs game - which his team lost anyway.

And no, Laine’s Tappara team wasn’t much better altogether with their roster with players like Ilomäki, Karjalainen and others pretty high in their roster. Tappara was probably better coached though, but still Laine was after all the absolute sparkplug in the playoffs and he did seriously carry them to the Championship together with Kristian Kuusela. Palve is in fact a clearly similar caliber player as Kuusela. so Kakko does get to play with a real quality linemate.

Kakko is of course great as a prospect, but I do think that worshipping him is still getting pretty much out of hands here. The kid needs to still consistently dominate with his end results, which his great finish to his Liiga regular season was a good start with, but he has still some ways to go to be truly more impressive than Laine or Barkov with his draft season as a whole.

I don't understand why you are comparing Kakko to Laine. Laine has special shot, that maybe couple guys in the world have. It is much easier to carry team with shot like that in Liiga. And TPS team/couching isn't as good as those Tappara teams.

So what if Barkov or Laine carried their teams in Liiga? Look at Rantanen or Aho. The kid is doing pretty freaking great in Liiga. It looks even easy for him to hold that puck and he is still just a kid playing with adults. Imagine what happens when he trains couple more years. He will be like Rantanen, but better in every aspect
 
Oh great we're wasting the next 5 pages of this thread on bickering over which finnish prospect is better at different aspects of hockey while everyone pretends like their arguments aren't completely influenced by who's their favourite. Like clockwork, every finnish prospect thread.
Also it seems Finnish writers are quite young as they remember only few years back.

Kakko is good but these posts are elevating him to GOD status.
Like Laine
 
Also it seems Finnish writers are quite young as they remember only few years back.

Kakko is good but these posts are elevating him to GOD status.
Like Laine
You might be right be we haven't had draft eligible like this before. Or have we. Because players like Selanne and Koivu were not really at this level this young.
 
Top 25 most talented U25 Finnish forwards for me. I still consider Barkov the best talent how he dominates all over the ice in all 3 zones is simply unmatched and his now at 88 points in 76 games just incredible beast

1. Aleksander Barkov
2. Kaapo Kakko
3. Brad Lambert
4. Sebastian Aho
5. Mikko Rantanen
6. Patrik Laine
7. Aatu Räty
8. Anton Lundell
9. Jesperi Kotkaniemi
10. Joakim Kemell
11. Teuvo Teräväinen
12. Rasmus Kupari
13. Samu Tuomaala
14. Kasperi Kapanen
15. Roope Hintz
16. Aleksi Heponiemi
17. Jesse Puljujärvi
18. Eeli Tolvanen
19. Kristian Vesalainen
20. Henrik Borgström
21. Samu Salminen
22. Henri Nikkanen
23. Jesse Ylönen
24. Roni Hirvonen
25. Kasper Simontaival

Theres lots of talent even beyond that and only considered Lambert and Kemell from 2022 draft should have to rewatch the Pohjola-leiri matches to get better idea of all the other guys like Raiman, Pesonen, Lassila, Skog, Rönni, Nyman, Vuorio and Ruusunen but Ill wait till they start playing U16 National team
 
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I really would have Brad Lambert #1 out of those pretty easily, his attributes are off the charts. Finnish super prospects tend to lack somewhere but Lambert has both the insane stickhandling as well as the insane skating.

And Barkov... He's pretty old, 2 years older than even Sebastian Aho. His rookie season nothing to write home about etc. tough to call him the greatest talent, especially above Kakko or Lambert.
 
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Jea Lamberts hands and skating are ridiculous but havent yet gotten clear picture of other areas his game passing ability, creativity, vision, smarts, shot etc. Seen him play about 10 games every one of them as winger but I think he can play center aswell so thats another mystery.
 
When he has generational hockey IQ, which he for sure doesn't have. To be a truly generational player the player must absolutely have more completely elite skills than puck protection and dangling. I absolutely don’t see it in Kakko, or any other Finnish prospect now or from the last years. The players with the best hockey IQ for Finnish young players at the moment are Aho, Teräväinen and Kotkaniemi, and probably Barkov is pretty close too, although I see him dominating more with excellent hands and puck controlling, in a bit similar way as Kakko. Sorry, but Kakko is clearly behind each of them with his hockey IQ.

I’m not saying that Kakko isn’t still special, but he isn’t in any kind of a different league as a prospect than Laine, Barkov and Aho, and not even more special than Teräväinen, as Teräväinen had clearly the better hockey IQ than Kakko as an 18 year old. Of course he was miles behind Kakko physically, but that is a changing variable for all prospects, as you can’t say for sure that Kakko will be right away physically dominating in the NHL already next season. I do very highly doubt that happening, but only time will tell.

This Kakko fanboyism is seriously getting a bit out of hands. I see that he is definitely special in similar class as Laine, Barkov and Aho were, but seriously, if anyone thinks that Kakko has better or even equal hockey IQ as Aho, Teräväinen or even Laine or Rantanen, then they are out to lunch.

Kakko is pretty much a dangler and a puck hog. To some people that kind of playstyle equals as being absolutely dominating. I don’t see it really that way. If you are good at holding the puck and scoring by yourself, you can definitely be a very good player in some situations, but still the best players are the ones that make their teams and team mates do really well with the end results.

People can blame Kakko’s team mates for not producing consistently and helping his team get wins with his high class play, like Laine or Aho did in the Liiga playoffs, but the truth is that both Laine and Aho did make their teams clearly better with their results and they made their team mates and line mates clearly better with their performances. Sorry, but Kakko hasn’t done yet anything like that, except in one playoffs game - which his team lost anyway.

And no, Laine’s Tappara team wasn’t much better altogether with their roster with players like Ilomäki, Karjalainen and others pretty high in their roster. Tappara was probably better coached though, but still Laine was after all the absolute sparkplug in the playoffs and he did seriously carry them to the Championship together with Kristian Kuusela. Palve is in fact a clearly similar caliber player as Kuusela. so Kakko does get to play with a real quality linemate.

Kakko is of course great as a prospect, but I do think that worshipping him is still getting pretty much out of hands here. The kid needs to still consistently dominate with his end results, which his great finish to his Liiga regular season was a good start with, but he has still some ways to go to be truly more impressive than Laine or Barkov with his draft season as a whole.
The first half of the post i can agree with, then you lost it.
 
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does he have hockey iq problem?
Not at all.

Hell, I even remember some Ässät fans in Jatkoaika having some concerns about Kotkaniemi's hockey IQ in Liiga when he used to hog the puck a bit too much and try everything himself. It's funny how fast the puck hogging disappears when you make it to NHL and get actually linemates of same caliber as you.
 
Not at all.

Hell, I even remember some Ässät fans in Jatkoaika having some concerns about Kotkaniemi's hockey IQ in Liiga when he used to hog the puck a bit too much and try everything himself. It's funny how fast the puck hogging disappears when you make it to NHL and get actually linemates of same caliber as you.

Exactly. When you get someone on your line who knows how to find open space and you know he doesn't lose the puck or can score, you will pass more.

Also it helps that you can't hold puck in NHL same was as in Liiga. Players know that or will learn it fast.
 
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Not at all.

Hell, I even remember some Ässät fans in Jatkoaika having some concerns about Kotkaniemi's hockey IQ in Liiga when he used to hog the puck a bit too much and try everything himself. It's funny how fast the puck hogging disappears when you make it to NHL and get actually linemates of same caliber as you.
Especially because this isn't how Kakko played all the time, he's even been too pass-first in the past, then changed his playstyle to be far more selfish - Wish great success to boot! That speaks of high general IQ(if not hockey IQ) if anything, because he understands how he needs to play in order to have a better chance of success and is able to adapt his play style.

That's why I think that this "hockey IQ concern" is a false flag at this point, until proven otherwise. Because this isn't how he's always played.


What's important for the transition to NHL is the ability to make plays and decisions fast and in my opinion Kakko doesn't struggle with that, he makes some extremely high tempo plays.
 
In my opinion kakko has excellent hockey IQ. You can tell he reads the game really well, and makes passes that sometimes hes team mates really dont understand. And the fact he can hold on to the puck so well tell u about hes vision and the understand of momentum and Flow of the game. I would not be worried at all about that.
 
In my opinion kakko has excellent hockey IQ. You can tell he reads the game really well, and makes passes that sometimes hes team mates really dont understand. And the fact he can hold on to the puck so well tell u about hes vision and the understand of momentum and Flow of the game. I would not be worried at all about that.

There is zero things in his game currently that should worry people.
 
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There is zero things in his game currently that should worry people.
Every player has faults in his game, Kakko is not an exeption to this rule. I'd say his biggest problem is his defensive play, sometimes just way too lazy for that. And considering some people (including I) are talking about him as potential center, that's not a minor issue.
 
Evidently his IQ is high, but IQ in general is not easy to compare for other players, cuz it rly requires sample sizes from others aswell.

IQ also is kind of attribute that changes even during game, most often how experienced player is and how much fatique etc.. things are affecting ones games. Ofc the top tier players who doesnt make a lot of mistakes/missplays under pressure situations have still it quite high tho.

As mentioned Kakko is very unpredictable player with his poise, gap control, shiftiness with skates and ability to stickhandle and being athletic overall for his age. He is hard to read when he got the puck, cuz he rarely chooses the movement he does frequently, and times them very well. When somebody says: "Yh he shuld sometimes give it up a bit earlier" its more like he expect also his teammates reads his thoughts and gets on the position where he can be threat himself and by offering the threat to his teammates. So he is very good creating room and space, but also winning them. Theres difference between those terms.

Without the puck when hes going by neutral zone, he's good at offering himself for a play and receiving messages instantly where to be next. Aswell as in offensive zone hes able to position himself timely to make screen and having his stick on the ice for a onetimers. His skill lvl also provides variation to look for passes in "traffic bus" situations and hes very good at choosing the right and unexpected play under those situations aswell.

Probably if somewhere he culd be more responsible is that recognize and anticipate plays better in defensive zone, but I think that comes with time and experience. Tho if he played more as a center role I think that wuld help him to jump up more physically engaged to defensive zone situations and read them better. Hes already good at shutting out passing lanes and backing up on his own end, but does rarely plays his man (its also in TPS cuz hes helping Dmen/center to take his guy.

Overally nobody wuldnt be this high on him what comes to challenging Hughes if he didnt have high IQ and if he didnt recognize situations, when play safe and when to take risks. And that doesnt mean hes relied on only for his IQ tho.
 
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Anyone know if you will be able to watch this game tonight aswell? Ofc I could always just buy one game on Telia? I think it was?
 
Every player has faults in his game, Kakko is not an exeption to this rule. I'd say his biggest problem is his defensive play, sometimes just way too lazy for that. And considering some people (including I) are talking about him as potential center, that's not a minor issue.
Defense's what you learn over the years, it's not that important for prospects. As they say, even untalented 4th liners can play defense. Selke-calibre players are a case of their own, but there's nothing in Kakko's game that should make him unable to play defense. Actually, his fantastic board-battle ability and physicality should allow him to do just fine if he actually pays attention to it.

And that even is only a concern if Kakko ends up going center. If he's a winger defense barely matters, there are tons of fantastic wingers who barely play defense at all.
Anyone know if you will be able to watch this game tonight aswell? Ofc I could always just buy one game on Telia? I think it was?
No, not this game. But I don't think it's a good idea to buy Telia stuff at this point. You'll be able to see him playing international games very soon anyway, seems like a waste of money. Although that's of course up to you.
 
Defense's what you learn over the years, it's not that important for prospects. As they say, even untalented 4th liners can play defense. Selke-calibre players are a case of their own, but there's nothing in Kakko's game that should make him unable to play defense. Actually, his fantastic board-battle ability and physicality should allow him to do just fine if he actually pays attention to it.

And that even is only a concern if Kakko ends up going center. If he's a winger defense barely matters, there are tons of fantastic wingers who barely play defense at all.
Of cource. I was merely making the point that Kakko is not a perfect player without any faults. However, for a scoring winger the lack of defense is one of the smallest problems you can think of.
 
Of cource. I was merely making the point that Kakko is not a perfect player without any faults. However, for a scoring winger the lack of defense is one of the smallest problems you can think of.
Well he plays PK in the playoffs, so I guess his coach thinks he's pretty good at it. Kakko's defense is average, it's not a problem at all. I'd Kakko is one of the best forwards at defense at the top of the lists.
 
Well he plays PK in the playoffs, so I guess his coach thinks he's pretty good at it. Kakko's defense is average, it's not a problem at all. I'd Kakko is one of the best forwards at defense at the top of the lists.
Honestly I think Kakko and Palve play PK just for increased chance of scoring.

Kakko sniped his 3rd playoff goal on PP

 
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