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RW Kaapo Kakko - TPS, Liiga (2019 Draft) Part 3

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Kaako Kappo said:


Why not keep forum debates on forums, instead of looking for some sort of approval on twitter from people who've nothing to do with this.
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And the whole thing because of this post:
fr9dd9 said:
I am verry sure when I tell you that kakko could step in the nhl right now and be one of the best finnish players in the nhl.. But thats my opinion.. Just imagine him with some great players to back him up, its really all you need to do. For example kotkaniemi have dunne well in nhl this season, and Kakko is a pretty decent amount better already.
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It said "his opinion", @JoukoPouko can disagree with that if he wants. But put a tweet like that because of this post? Seriously?
 
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Kaako Kappo said:


Why not keep forum debates on forums, instead of looking for some sort of approval on twitter from people who've nothing to do with this.
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Well, it was just a quick post making fun of all the people who are overreacting based on one game (and most people didn't even watch the game, just the highlights). That one example just happened to be the one I used. There were also people posting to me tweets and saying he's better than Elias Pettersson and so on.

But sure, you can make this kind of personal attack against me if it somehow improves your quality of life. I hope you feel some sort of satisfaction now. But unfortunately for you, I don't let random people on the Internet dictate what I can and can't post on my Twitter account. If you don't like it, I suggest you smash that unfollow button.
 
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JoukoPouko said:
Well, it was just a quick post making fun of all the people who are overreacting based on one game (and most people didn't even watch the game, just the highlights). That one example just happened to be the one I used. There were also people posting to me tweets and saying he's better than Elias Pettersson and so on.

But sure, you can make this kind of personal attack against me if it somehow improves your quality of life. I hope you feel some sort of satisfaction now. But unfortunately for you, I don't let random people on the Internet dictate what I can and can't post on my Twitter account. If you don't like it, I suggest you smash that unfollow button.
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It’s not personal attack i respect your opinion and i agree that we should temper up expectations but you make out claims about other posters without any reason and even tweet about it. It’s sad and if you feel personally attacked then maybe you should look at the mirror. Again nothing wrong about your opinion about the player but other things you did and said about other posters was really ugly and little bit of stupid.

Based on 1 game? In my opinion really weak argument. 21 goals in last 29 games tells the truth about sample size. That is well over half of a season for draft eligible prospects in Finland.
 
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Yeah , Kaapo Kakko. He's one hell of a player. I'm pretty sure he's going to be one hell of an NHL player. I think he has the POTENTIAL to be the best Finnish born player ever.
 
JoukoPouko said:
Well, it was just a quick post making fun of all the people who are overreacting based on one game (and most people didn't even watch the game, just the highlights). That one example just happened to be the one I used. There were also people posting to me tweets and saying he's better than Elias Pettersson and so on.

But sure, you can make this kind of personal attack against me if it somehow improves your quality of life. I hope you feel some sort of satisfaction now. But unfortunately for you, I don't let random people on the Internet dictate what I can and can't post on my Twitter account. If you don't like it, I suggest you smash that unfollow button.
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Show me even one person using 1 game sample.. You're just getting yourself deeper in s*it..

Of course you can say, whatever you want. But tweeting pure lies is sad..
 
JoukoPouko said:
Well, it was just a quick post making fun of all the people who are overreacting based on one game (and most people didn't even watch the game, just the highlights). That one example just happened to be the one I used. There were also people posting to me tweets and saying he's better than Elias Pettersson and so on.

But sure, you can make this kind of personal attack against me if it somehow improves your quality of life. I hope you feel some sort of satisfaction now. But unfortunately for you, I don't let random people on the Internet dictate what I can and can't post on my Twitter account. If you don't like it, I suggest you smash that unfollow button.
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What are you talking about? My gestures while reading this nonsense...

One game? No, it's specifically the fact that he does this every game, and not just that, almost every shift. That's what's remarkable about him. Such remarkable will to win and tenacity in his play, never giving up on the play, making things happen. And he is at over a point per game with some 21 goals in his past 29 games. One game? Tons of different fan bases have praised his play, HPK fans even chanted his play. And their fans went to talk to TPS fans about what a good player they have, right? Just how often do you think this stuff happens? To me, it's a far more controversial statement to say that there are over a dozen better Finns outside of NHL. But even if someone says something like that, that's in my opinion not an open invitation to ridicule them to some 1800+ followers, seeking approval - that's a very weak, low self-confidence move. As are these strawmen of yours, "Crosby and McDavid" and "one game sample size", being some examples.

If you have such low confidence in your points that you can't even argue for them properly without strawmen, how about not making them? And the victim card? Please.
 
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ijuka said:
HPK fans even chanted his play.
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Are you sure they weren't just trying to provoke him? Chanting the opposing team's star player's name is a common way of doing that.

ijuka said:
If you have such low confidence in your points that you can't even argue for them properly without strawmen, how about not making them? And the victim card? Please.
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I asked @JoukoPouko what he thinks the odds of Kakko making the WHC team are. Didn't get a response. Betting him on this might be fun.
 
thomast said:
It’s not personal attack i respect your opinion and i agree that we should temper up expectations but you make out claims about other posters without any reason and even tweet about it. It’s sad and if you feel personally attacked then maybe you should look at the mirror. Again nothing wrong about your opinion about the player but other things you did and said about other posters was really ugly and little bit of stupid. Maybe you should

Based on 1 game? In my opinion really weak argument. 21 goals in last 29 games tells the truth about sample size. That is well over half of a season for draft eligible prospects in Finland.
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Most of my Twitter followers haven't watched a single Liiga game from Kakko. Most people on this forum haven't either. Yet everyone's an expert. That's very common when it comes to prospects. I am very aware of how good Kakko is and what kind of huge potential he has. Just because I'm trying to keep expectations at a reasonable level doesn't mean I hate him or don't understand how good he is. He has a great future ahead of him but there's still work to be done. He's not a finished product yet. It's too early to put him at a level where he's expected to be in a few years.

"even tweet about it"? I don't get this argument. I tweet about random shite all the time. Tweeting about something is not a big deal. There's life outside of this forum as well. There's no difference between posting on a forum and posting on Twitter. They're both just methods to communicate. It's not like I spend hours and hours thinking about every little tweet I send. Whenever there's something hockey-related on my mind, I tweet about it. That's it. That's the whole master plan. Sorry if that shattered someone's idea of Twitter.

If I mentioned someone by name, that would be a personal attack. Show me one time I mentioned someone by name. I didn't even mention anyone's Internet alias. I talked about a larger group of people, not anyone specifically. As mentioned, that was just the example I happened to use.

How about we switch this thread back to its original topic? I'm sure most people couldn't care less about my posting habits on Twitter.
 
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JoukoPouko said:
Most of my Twitter followers haven't watched a single Liiga game from Kakko. Most people on this forum haven't either. Yet everyone's an expert. That's very common when it comes to prospects. I am very aware of how good Kakko is and what kind of huge potential he has. Just because I'm trying to keep expectations at a reasonable level doesn't mean I hate him or don't understand how good he is. He has a great future ahead of him but there's still work to be done. He's not a finished product yet. It's too early to put him at a level where he's expected to be in a few years.

"even tweet about it"? I don't get this argument. I tweet about random ****e all the time. Tweeting about something is not a big deal. There's life outside of this forum as well. There's no difference between posting on a forum and posting on Twitter. They're both just methods to communicate. It's not like I spend hours and hours thinking about every little tweet I send. Whenever there's something hockey-related on my mind, I tweet about it. That's it. That's the whole master plan. Sorry if that shattered someone's idea of Twitter.

If I mentioned someone by name, that would be a personal attack. Show me one time I mentioned someone by name. I didn't even mention anyone's Internet alias. I talked about a larger group of people, not anyone specifically. As mentioned, that was just the example I happened to use.

How about we switch this thread back to its original topic? I'm sure most people couldn't care less about my posting habits on Twitter.
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Your opinion about the player is still absolutely fine. There is nothing wrong about it. We have different opinion and it is almost pure speculation when we talk about prospects. There is no certainty but i actually believe most of regular posters for this thread have watched him play a lot. Only small portion of posters talk about Kakko in these forums and you make it sound like everyone does it. Of course there is some posters in the mix who have based their opinion about Kakko from highlights and scouting reports but i believe clear majority of regular posters on this thread have watched him a lot.

Your problem is when someone says something you say it is everyone and add a lot of colour in your claims. That is wrong and the main reason why people are angry at you(i’m not angry but in my opinion this kind of behaviour is wrong.) next time direct your messages for those who are debating with you without any colour. Some of your arguments are also packed with colour and claims. Like people are making their opinion about 1 game sample? Who exactly was it? I didn’t see anyone. Doesen’t Kakko have 21 goals in 29 games? Again really weak argumentation without much fact backing it.

Posting hockey related tweets is totally fine but that other part is unnecessary.
 
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I don't remember if anyone in FEL has played as dominant single playoff-game at that age as Kakko did yesterday. Rule book in the FEL is a complete joke compared to the NHL, where you can't hold or stick check a player as hard without getting called vs. the FEL. If the FEL had the same rule book, TPS would play a lot more PP because of Kakko's effort, and Kakko would maybe score even more.

It's easy to get biased because I only see Kakko's play, but no Hughes'. But seriously, if Hughes is not absolutely tearing it apart shift after shift in the USDP, Kakko should be pretty close at going first overall. He has impressed me more than any one of Aho, Barkov, Laine, Puljujärvi or Rantanen.
 
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So how is hughes doing these days? North American bias will make him go nr1 no matter what.
 
Masamies said:
Yeah how he's humiliating defenders like Miro Karjalainen (200cm,102kg) is just mindblowing. Would be awesome to see what Hughes could do against giant defenders :D
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I think both are going to be outstanding. As an Avs fan, I'm just hoping the Sens pick end up being 1-2. I'm leaning Kakko at this point but would be ecstatic with either. A Kakko-MacK-Rants line just sounds drool worthy and tough to play against.
 
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I think both are going to be outstanding. As an Avs fan, I'm just hoping the Sens pick end up being 1-2. I'm leaning Kakko at this point but would be ecstatic with either. A Kakko-MacK-Rants line just sounds drool worthy and tough to play against.
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Yup, that line would be truly incredible for us
 
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