RW Jordan Dumais - Halifax Mooseheads, QMJHL (2022, 96th, CBJ)

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I’m not going to lie I hate a lot of comparisons I’m seeing here and most of the time people are very wrong. You can’t really compare a player with a player. I mentioned Conor Garland as a statistical comparison but I’m seeing people comparing actual player abilities to him. Dumais is no where near the same skating and edge work Garland possesses. It’s very silly to see such comparison. Then when people mash two hockey players together like they formed a child or something. They see a guy the same height and weight and go oh! You know what, he’s literally this player!

When Moritz Seider was drafted by Detroit, TSN Analysts were comparing him with Brandon Carlo on the Boston Bruins. That aged like oat milk.

Plus he had a 0 point afternoon chill out, he’s not on a slump after one game that was 17 hours after the last one finished. Gosh sometimes I regret speaking in forums. Kids good at hockey, kid may have a decent future in hockey. Give it some time, this daily analysis crap is ridiculous. Weak team or not. Not expecting a 3 point night for Connor McDavid every time he plays a garbage division rival, Lol…
 
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I’m not going to lie I hate a lot of comparisons I’m seeing here and most of the time people are very wrong. You can’t really compare a player with a player. I mentioned Conor Garland as a statistical comparison but I’m seeing people comparing actual player abilities to him. Dumais is no where near the same skating and edge work Garland possesses. It’s very silly to see such comparison. Then when people mash two hockey players together like they formed a child or something. They see a guy the same height and weight and go oh! You know what, he’s literally this player!

When Moritz Seider was drafted by Detroit, TSN Analysts were comparing him with Brandon Carlo on the Boston Bruins. That aged like oat milk.

Plus he had a 0 point afternoon chill out, he’s not on a slump after one game that was 17 hours after the last one finished. Gosh sometimes I regret speaking in forums. Kids good at hockey, kid may have a decent future in hockey. Give it some time, this daily analysis crap is ridiculous. Weak team or not. Not expecting a 3 point night for Connor McDavid every time he plays a garbage division rival, Lol…
Well said McNeil. We both watch a lot of Mooseheads hockey and sometimes we don’t see eye to eye but you are right on point here. Don’t leave. I’ve been on hf boards a long time now but this is the first thread that I hesitated putting an effort in to educate those not watching the games. Especially now the Columbus fans. Hfboards used to be really educational but now mostly names thrown out the first time a kid laces up in junior. People on here regularly pumping the prospects they have in keeper pools and bashing the ones they missed out on. I rely more on overseas posters now than before especially the Russia and Finland posters. Very seldom do I open any new threads and I try to cram for my drafts in the fall. I miss Scoutman. Maybe after 5 decades of watching hockey I don’t know why everything has to be debated over and over and over. The Michkov thread has been recycled around five times now. Three times over the last year. Same information same theories except what you get from their main two posters

Well said McNeil. We both watch a lot of Mooseheads hockey and sometimes we don’t see eye to eye but you are right on point here. Don’t leave. I’ve been on hf boards a long time now but this is the first thread that I hesitated putting an effort in to educate those not watching the games. Especially now the Columbus fans. Hfboards used to be really educational but now mostly names thrown out the first time a kid laces up in junior. People on here regularly pumping the prospects they have in keeper pools and bashing the ones they missed out on. I rely more on overseas posters now than before especially the Russia and Finland posters. Very seldom do I open any new threads and I try to cram for my drafts in the fall. I miss Scoutman. Maybe after 5 decades of watching hockey I don’t know why everything has to be debated over and over and over. The Michkov thread has been recycled around five times now. Three times over the last year. Same information same theories except what you get from their main two posters
And for those here that don’t understand I was not comparing Dumais to Michkov
 
Well said McNeil. We both watch a lot of Mooseheads hockey and sometimes we don’t see eye to eye but you are right on point here. Don’t leave. I’ve been on hf boards a long time now but this is the first thread that I hesitated putting an effort in to educate those not watching the games. Especially now the Columbus fans. Hfboards used to be really educational but now mostly names thrown out the first time a kid laces up in junior. People on here regularly pumping the prospects they have in keeper pools and bashing the ones they missed out on. I rely more on overseas posters now than before especially the Russia and Finland posters. Very seldom do I open any new threads and I try to cram for my drafts in the fall. I miss Scoutman. Maybe after 5 decades of watching hockey I don’t know why everything has to be debated over and over and over. The Michkov thread has been recycled around five times now. Three times over the last year. Same information same theories except what you get from their main two posters
So you’re saying Dumais would go top 5 this year?

Bold take.
 
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Hey Spitfire you should make a thread on Stephane Huard Jr because he’s carrying the Dumais line. Look up Ivar Stenberg and make a thread I need some info on him to
I already have an Ivar Stenberg thread haha - he is the brother of Otto and may even be the better player. Late birthday so he isn‘t draft eligible until 2026.

He is a very skilled forward that could be described as a good skater with great puck skills. He can control the pace of the game at his current level of play and is clearly a step above most every player his age group. He is a little small but given that his brother is 5’11” it shouldn’t be too concerning at his current age.

As for Stephan Huard - Overagers that are 5’8” don’t necessarily have pro potential - I’ll pass on that one.
 
I already have an Ivar Stenberg thread haha - he is the brother of Otto and may even be the better player. Late birthday so he isn‘t draft eligible until 2026.

He is a very skilled forward that could be described as a good skater with great puck skills. He can control the pace of the game at his current level of play and is clearly a step above most every player his age group. He is a little small but given that his brother is 5’11” it shouldn’t be too concerning at his current age.

As for Stephan Huard - Overagers that are 5’8” don’t necessarily have pro potential - I’ll pass on that one.
Thanks. Appreciated finding it hard to find pertinent info on some players that far out. Couldn’t find the thread.
 
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I haven't read the whole thread, so I might ask questions that have already been answered sorry.

If we only look at stats, this year 2 players in the CHL really stand out from the rest: Dumais and Connor Bedard. I've heard the criticism for Dumais: He's slow and small which is a pretty rare combo for an NHL player. My question: What does he do so well that other players don't do? (mostly older players since he's only 18 in a year where there are 20 years old players)

Also what are your projections on him (for those who watch him play)?

You can also redirect me to another post if my questions are already answered
 
I haven't read the whole thread, so I might ask questions that have already been answered sorry.

If we only look at stats, this year 2 players in the CHL really stand out from the rest: Dumais and Connor Bedard. I've heard the criticism for Dumais: He's slow and small which is a pretty rare combo for an NHL player. My question: What does he do so well that other players don't do? (mostly older players since he's only 18 in a year where there are 20 years old players)

Also what are your projections on him (for those who watch him play)?

You can also redirect me to another post if my questions are already answered
Here's my take on Dumais but I won't claim to have the book on him as I've seen him about 10 times against competitive teams.

What I like: Great hand-eye coordination which lets him tip the puck with ease, accurate shot, good at exploiting defensive holes in the QMJHL, especially efficient on the PP

What I dislike: Imo, not a dynamic player, tends to disappear when he's physically challenged (which is not a lot of times in the Q)
 
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I haven't read the whole thread, so I might ask questions that have already been answered sorry.

If we only look at stats, this year 2 players in the CHL really stand out from the rest: Dumais and Connor Bedard. I've heard the criticism for Dumais: He's slow and small which is a pretty rare combo for an NHL player. My question: What does he do so well that other players don't do? (mostly older players since he's only 18 in a year where there are 20 years old players)

Also what are your projections on him (for those who watch him play)?

You can also redirect me to another post if my questions are already answered
He is so damn smart - sees the ice better than most any other prospect I have seen play in the past 5 year. Very deceptive, and very good at reading, manipulating and anticipating defenders movements to put himself in the best position to score, or make a play - as you can imagine he is lights out on the PP.

I said early in the thread that he reminds me of Brad Marchand without the edge - but I do enjoy the Connor Garland comparison that has been thrown around in this thread recently.
 
I haven't read the whole thread, so I might ask questions that have already been answered sorry.

If we only look at stats, this year 2 players in the CHL really stand out from the rest: Dumais and Connor Bedard. I've heard the criticism for Dumais: He's slow and small which is a pretty rare combo for an NHL player. My question: What does he do so well that other players don't do? (mostly older players since he's only 18 in a year where there are 20 years old players)

Also what are your projections on him (for those who watch him play)?

You can also redirect me to another post if my questions are already answered

Dumais is extremely talented, his hockey sense is also absolutely great, and he shoots the puck well, but the most important thing is that Dumais has figured out the juniors game to a level few are able to reach.

Dumais knows how to spot and exploit holes in defensive coverage at the junior level at an elite level, and it speaks volumes about his hockey IQ, no doubt about it. His production is also unbelievable, and it really shows his will and determination to succeed, which bode well for further development.

That said, the problem I have with evaluating Dumais' performance with the Mooseheads on the simple honus of production is that quite a few of the plays Dumais makes in the QMJHL simply won't be there at the NHL level. Not when you consider his lack of size/strength, and the fact that his skating is still slightly weaker than NHL-average as of right now.

As things currently stand, Dumais likes to hold onto the puck and try to stretch-out plays to create greater offensive chances for himself and his teammates. The crux of that ability lies in his great puck skills, his ability to maintain puck possession, but mainly his manipulation of defenses (through good passes and feints), and quick thinking.

I don't worry much about Dumais' hockey sense and his decisions with the puck not translating to the NHL. His hockey sense is too great for him to fail in that sense, and I'm sure his mind will adapt to the pro game. My main concern is that even if Dumais is a ++ thinker of the game with nice skills, his sky-high production and effectiveness offensively right now come with him being able to create time and space for himself, thus majorly increasing his options offensively.

But, should his raw tools fail to improve as he moves up the ranks, the options Dumais will have the luxury to choose from offensively at the NHL level will be much, much lesser than they are this year in Juniors.

And if the prognostics of nearly all your options offensively are bad because you can't create that little bit of extra time and space that's sorely needed before defensive coverage gets to you, then no matter how smart you are you will only be able to make a bad/sub-optimal play.

The metaphor might be (quite) a bit clunky, but think of it like that; Give absolutely crappy hands at all times to a poker genius and ask him to win a Poker tournament against lesser, but still really intelligent players. Does he succeed? Short answer is no, long answer is hell no. Without better options, no matter how good the bluffs, the bets and everything, he can only lose to the better hand that someone at the table has.

BTW, those are exactly the same concerns I have with Joshua Roy. Just that Roy has more room to grow into size-wise, better defensive fundamentals, lesser skating, less intensity, and is also less efficient (more cute) with the puck. Given those facts I'd say Dumais is still a better prospect overall, but both have pretty clear question marks when it comes to to how transferable their skills are to the NHL level.

Thankfully for Jordan Dumais, his future career in the NHL is not determined by how he looks as a player right now, but on how he will manage to grow and improve from now. The weaknesses are definitely there, but so are the strengths, and it remains to be seen how those change as Dumais ages, as he progresses.

Will Dumais thrive at the NHL level, or will he bust? I don't know, no one does. But I'll be cheering for him.
 
Dumais is extremely talented, his hockey sense is also absolutely great, and he shoots the puck well, but the most important thing is that Dumais has figured out the juniors game to a level few are able to reach.

Dumais knows how to spot and exploit holes in defensive coverage at the junior level at an elite level, and it speaks volumes about his hockey IQ, no doubt about it. His production is also unbelievable, and it really shows his will and determination to succeed, which bode well for further development.

That said, the problem I have with evaluating Dumais' performance with the Mooseheads on the simple honus of production is that quite a few of the plays Dumais makes in the QMJHL simply won't be there at the NHL level. Not when you consider his lack of size/strength, and the fact that his skating is still slightly weaker than NHL-average as of right now.

As things currently stand, Dumais likes to hold onto the puck and try to stretch-out plays to create greater offensive chances for himself and his teammates. The crux of that ability lies in his great puck skills, his ability to maintain puck possession, but mainly his manipulation of defenses (through good passes and feints), and quick thinking.

I don't worry much about Dumais' hockey sense and his decisions with the puck not translating to the NHL. His hockey sense is too great for him to fail in that sense, and I'm sure his mind will adapt to the pro game. My main concern is that even if Dumais is a ++ thinker of the game with nice skills, his sky-high production and effectiveness offensively right now come with him being able to create time and space for himself, thus majorly increasing his options offensively.

But, should his raw tools fail to improve as he moves up the ranks, the options Dumais will have the luxury to choose from offensively at the NHL level will be much, much lesser than they are this year in Juniors.

And if the prognostics of nearly all your options offensively are bad because you can't create that little bit of extra time and space that's sorely needed before defensive coverage gets to you, then no matter how smart you are you will only be able to make a bad/sub-optimal play.

The metaphor might be (quite) a bit clunky, but think of it like that; Give absolutely crappy hands at all times to a poker genius and ask him to win a Poker tournament against lesser, but still really intelligent players. Does he succeed? Short answer is no, long answer is hell no. Without better options, no matter how good the bluffs, the bets and everything, he can only lose to the better hand that someone at the table has.

BTW, those are exactly the same concerns I have with Joshua Roy. Just that Roy has more room to grow into size-wise, better defensive fundamentals, lesser skating, less intensity, and is also less efficient (more cute) with the puck. Given those facts I'd say Dumais is still a better prospect overall, but both have pretty clear question marks when it comes to to how transferable their skills are to the NHL level.

Thankfully for Jordan Dumais, his future career in the NHL is not determined by how he looks as a player right now, but on how he will manage to grow and improve from now. The weaknesses are definitely there, but so are the strengths, and it remains to be seen how those change as Dumais ages, as he progresses.

Will Dumais thrive at the NHL level, or will he bust? I don't know, no one does. But I'll be cheering for him.
Thanks for the incredibly in depth answer, your poker analogy is excellent. Why would you say Dumais is probably less likely to be able to create space in the NHL then other star NHLers? Lack of physical strength and speed?
 
Thanks for the incredibly in depth answer, your poker analogy is excellent. Why would you say Dumais is probably less likely to be able to create space in the NHL then other star NHLers? Lack of physical strength and speed?
The speed differential and intensity between the NHL and Q league is huge. Not comparable. Yes he’s the smartest player on the ice every night but once he gets in a pro league he won’t be the only smart guy on the ice.
 
I’m not going to lie I hate a lot of comparisons I’m seeing here and most of the time people are very wrong. You can’t really compare a player with a player. I mentioned Conor Garland as a statistical comparison but I’m seeing people comparing actual player abilities to him. Dumais is no where near the same skating and edge work Garland possesses. It’s very silly to see such comparison. Then when people mash two hockey players together like they formed a child or something. They see a guy the same height and weight and go oh! You know what, he’s literally this player!

When Moritz Seider was drafted by Detroit, TSN Analysts were comparing him with Brandon Carlo on the Boston Bruins. That aged like oat milk.

Plus he had a 0 point afternoon chill out, he’s not on a slump after one game that was 17 hours after the last one finished. Gosh sometimes I regret speaking in forums. Kids good at hockey, kid may have a decent future in hockey. Give it some time, this daily analysis crap is ridiculous. Weak team or not. Not expecting a 3 point night for Connor McDavid every time he plays a garbage division rival, Lol…
If you don’t want to analyze/discuss hockey and hockey players than you’re in the wrong place.
 
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Jordan Dumais looks hot, and if his game translates to an NHL level, he could be one of the hottest rookies of 2024!

The only player in the CHL currently outpacing Connor Bedard in scoring.
 
I just wonder if any GM could build a SC type of team with both Dumais and Johnny hockey in their top 6?
 
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I just wonder if any GM could build a SC type of team with both Dumais and Johnny hockey in their top 6?

That makes it easier. The problem that Calgary used to have with Gaudreau in the playoffs prior to last season was that if the opponent just double teams him, then Monahan and co. weren't going to do anything. They didn't have enough talent.

Of course they'll need some big guys too.
 
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Saw him play again today. He has good vision and is a great passer. However he plays a 100ft game. Ineffective in the defensive zone. He gets pushed off the puck. Waits for the stretch pass and his skating stride is short and choppy. Yes he piles up the points like he did tonight on the PP but i cannot see him translating to the NHL with this package.
 
Saw him play again today. He has good vision and is a great passer. However he plays a 100ft game. Ineffective in the defensive zone. He gets pushed off the puck. Waits for the stretch pass and his skating stride is short and choppy. Yes he piles up the points like he did tonight on the PP but i cannot see him translating to the NHL with this package.
Not many saw Alex DeBrincats game translate to the NHL either...

I hope you are wrong.

When i see him play, i see it, his game completely differently. Dunno which one of us is right, which one wrong, time will tell.
 
Saw him play again today. He has good vision and is a great passer. However he plays a 100ft game. Ineffective in the defensive zone. He gets pushed off the puck. Waits for the stretch pass and his skating stride is short and choppy. Yes he piles up the points like he did tonight on the PP but i cannot see him translating to the NHL with this package.

this is the perfect tweet to take a screenshot of and re-post it in 3 years, looking back and laughing on it. thanks for the material.
 

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