RW Jordan Dumais - Halifax Mooseheads, QMJHL (2022, 96th, CBJ)

[nbwingsfan]

smol bean and one of the main concerns was his lack of explosiveness, i believe

Yeah snall guys who aren’t that great at skating/defensively don’t usually fair too well in the bigger leagues. Garland had the same issues until he completely changed his game after his second AHL season.

His skating seems much much better this season though.

 

[Ippenator]

How did he slip so far in the draft

Because scouts are honestly pretty bad at evaluating hockey IQ and they also way too easily underestimate the meaning of it as well. Many of them have become blinded by the skating fetish that seems to be way too much overrated nowadays. Hockey will always be best played by players whose brains work quicker and more accurately than their competition does. This is because the puck will always be so much faster than any of the even fastest skating players will ever be.

Even average skating is enough, if you have exceptional hockey IQ and passing skills. Dumois has absolutely crazy high level of hockey IQ, so I honestly see only the sky as the limit for how good a player he can become. An absolute steal for Columbus and could be their best player and one of the best players in the world in only a couple of years.

 

[E D]

Find it so funny that he didn't even get an invite to the draft combine either. Kid probably has a massive chip on his shoulder to prove all these scouts wrong.

Love the potential oozing from him. The jump to the pros is going to be very telling and like mentioned before, he may have to reinvent his game a little like Garland did to adapt. But there's no doubt he has high end skill and playmaking abilities.

 

[majormajor]

Because scouts are honestly pretty bad at evaluating hockey IQ and they also way too easily underestimate the meaning of it as well. Many of them have become blinded by the skating fetish that seems to be way too much overrated nowadays. Hockey will always be best played by players whose brains work quicker and more accurately than their competition does. This is because the puck will always be so much faster than any of the even fastest skating players will ever be.

Even average skating is enough, if you have exceptional hockey IQ and passing skills. Dumois has absolutely crazy high level of hockey IQ, so I honestly see only the sky as the limit for how good a player he can become. An absolute steal for Columbus and could be their best player and one of the best players in the world in only a couple of years.

I think skating is super important. I think there was a tendency with Dumais to judge him as is - I heard zero discussion along the lines of "what happens if his skating or physique improves?" like you hear with most prospects.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Shoutout to Vidicek also, him and Dumais obviously have some insane chem together.

 

[Ippenator]

I think skating is super important. I think there was a tendency with Dumais to judge him as is - I heard zero discussion along the lines of "what happens if his skating or physique improves?" like you hear with most prospects.

I think fast and accurate brain is still much more important. Sure, you can’t have really bad skating at the NHL level. But quite average skating can still be enough to be even a true star player, if you have exceptional hockey IQ. On the other hand if you have only average hockey IQ and excellent skating skills, you will never be a true star player in the NHL.

I don’t also think that Dumais is even just an average skater. To me he looks more like a bit above the average NHL level with it. Sure his straight line speed isn’t anything special, but he has pretty good agility and even his acceleration is good enough. His skating as it is is good enough to be succesful with the stop and go-play that NHL is very much about.

But sure, as Dumais isn’t by any means an exceptional skater at the NHL level, he will not be a game breaker without having some high IQ players playing in the same line with him. But if he gets to play with one or even two of those kind of players in the same line, then its’s going to be something special. And Columbus does have some pretty special high hockey IQ players in Gaudreau, Laine, Johnson and Voracek, so they might be able to try something special, maybe even next season?

 

[majormajor]

I think fast and accurate brain is still much more important. Sure, you can’t have really bad skating at the NHL level. But quite average skating can still be enough to be even a true star player, if you have exceptional hockey IQ. On the other hand if you have only average hockey IQ and excellent skating skills, you will never be a true star player in the NHL.

I don’t also think that Dumais isn’t even just an average skater. To me he looks more like a bit above the average NHL level with it. Sure his straight line speed isn’t anything special, but he has pretty good agility and even his acceleration is good enough. His skating as it is is good enough to be succesful with the stop and go-play that NHL is very much about.

But sure, as Dumais isn’t by any means an exceptional skater at the NHL level, he will not be a game breaker without having some high IQ players playing in the same line with him. But if he gets to play with one or even two of those kind of players in the same line, then its’s going to be something special. And Columbus does have some pretty special high hockey IQ players in Gaudreau, Laine, Johnson and Voracek, so they might be able to try something special, maybe even next season?

His skating was legitimately poor as recently as six months ago. He's gotten significantly stronger and quicker and might end up above average at the NHL level.

I've always compared him to Marchand - my hope is that he can become crazy strong in the lower body like that.

 

[wetcoast]

His skating was legitimately poor as recently as six months ago. He's gotten significantly stronger and quicker and might end up above average at the NHL level.

I've always compared him to Marchand - my hope is that he can become crazy strong in the lower body like that.

Skating does matter, perhaps even more so when a guy is 5'9."

Sure hockey IQ and processing skills matter too but it's the whole package that makes or breaks a small guy like Dumais.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

9 games point streak.

9 goals (3 gwg)
13 assists
22 points
2.50 ppg
+10

 

[majormajor]

Del

 

[izzy]

unbelievable so far

 

[Artorius Horus T]

unbelievable so far

Indeed

His skating was legitimately poor as recently as six months ago. He's gotten significantly stronger and quicker and might end up above average at the NHL level.

I've always compared him to Marchand - my hope is that he can become crazy strong in the lower body like that.

No it wasn't.

Its just how people see skating, in general. - same goes for everything really
#Opinions.

 

[LazyCircuits]

I would like to say that I had Dumais as a great sleeper pick and talked about maybe using a second round pick on him.*

I genuinely am excited about him being in Columbus more than any pick since PLD.



* I also thought that Barkov would be a busy many moons ago so I am posting that as a way of keeping my ego in check.

 

[Belloco]

I would like to say that I had Dumais as a great sleeper pick and talked about maybe using a second round pick on him.*

I genuinely am excited about him being in Columbus more than any pick since PLD.



* I also thought that Barkov would be a busy many moons ago so I am posting that as a way of keeping my ego in check.

I am very curious to know how his career will develop among the seniors.

Are the supposed limits of a player who crushes the QMJHL really prohibitive for the NHL?

I find it hard to see such a dominant player not performing on an NHL top 6.

And compare with the career of Nathan Gaucher.

 

[cmcneil02]

Can’t wait to see him with the Cleveland Monsters in 2024-25 he’s going to be crazy.

 

[jiboy]

I know the habs have seemingly hit good on their 22 picks but im disapointed they didnt pick Dumais

Would have been a nice swing for the fences at pick 80+

 

[wetcoast]

I know the habs have seemingly hit good on their 22 picks but im disapointed they didnt pick Dumais

Would have been a nice swing for the fences at pick 80+

Well they couldn't pick everyone...

 

[jiboy]

Well they couldn't pick everyone...

obviously but with the slew of picks they had I wish they would have used one on Dumais ( we had pick 75 and 92)

 

[wetcoast]

obviously but with the slew of picks they had I wish they would have used one on Dumais ( we had pick 75 and 92)

Considering that the Habs flubbed up their first pick I tend to agree but it is what it is.

 

[Rob Sense]

I know the habs have seemingly hit good on their 22 picks but im disapointed they didnt pick Dumais

Would have been a nice swing for the fences at pick 80+

I saw him play again last week live...he still is a floater. He is small and doesn't engage. Skating is so-so. I don't see him translating to the next level. His linemate Cataford has a better toolbox and drives that line.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Because scouts are honestly pretty bad at evaluating hockey IQ and they also way too easily underestimate the meaning of it as well. Many of them have become blinded by the skating fetish that seems to be way too much overrated nowadays. Hockey will always be best played by players whose brains work quicker and more accurately than their competition does. This is because the puck will always be so much faster than any of the even fastest skating players will ever be.

Even average skating is enough, if you have exceptional hockey IQ and passing skills. Dumois has absolutely crazy high level of hockey IQ, so I honestly see only the sky as the limit for how good a player he can become. An absolute steal for Columbus and could be their best player and one of the best players in the world in only a couple of years.

Quite an overreaction, but I agree with everything except the last two sentences

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I saw him play again last week live...he still is a floater. He is small and doesn't engage. Skating is so-so. I don't see him translating to the next level. His linemate Cataford has a better toolbox and drives that line.

I mean opinions and everything...but you are watching a different hockey player lol he is small thats about all you got I guess.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

I saw him play again last week live...he still is a floater. He is small and doesn't engage. Skating is so-so. I don't see him translating to the next level. His linemate Cataford has a better toolbox and drives that line.

You know, the exact same thing was once said about one Alex DeBrincat as well..
Its all about how different people understands ice hockey, how they see it.

To some its floating, to some its super smart play with high hockey IQ
and skating..., he skates faster when ever it is required of him.

 

[Dutronc]

He's the Joshua Roy of this year in the Q.

Amazing pick by CLB

 

[GermanSpitfire]

He's the Joshua Roy of this year in the Q.

Amazing pick by CLB

I mean - Roy never had, or paced for 108 points in his draft year - Dumais hasn’t come out of nowhere, I’ll say it like that.

Dumais has been a known commodity to most who followed the 2022 NHL draft. Which Side you stand on is a different discussion in terms of his transition to pro hockey.