Good thing scouts arent paid to predict players as 19 yr olds but rather as 24. Yr olds in their prime.
RW Jake Virtanen (2014, 6th, VAN) III
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Good thing scouts arent paid to predict players as 19 yr olds but rather as 24. Yr olds in their prime.
These guys were definitely rough/physical players like Jake, but never low hockey IQ guys. Both have always made pretty good plays with the puck, vs. playing with blinders on like Virtanen seems to.
Bertuzzi in his 2nd post-draft year was a dominant offensive player, putting up 119 points in 62 games in the OHL, then made the NHL the next season and put up 39 points in 76 games as a rookie. It'll be a long time before Jake has a 39 point NHL season, if he ever does.
Backes was immediately a PPG player in the NCAA after being drafted, and was either 1st or 2nd on his team in scoring for each of his 3 seasons there. Put up 23 points in 49 games in his rookie NHL season, and like Bertuzzi, was always a reasonably smart offensive player who saw the ice pretty well.
McMatthews
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I haven't read anything personal about Virtanen.
He's a professional hockey player who participated in a teenagers tournament and did a bad job.
He then went on to blame the referees.
I'm sure he doesn't care that hockey fans have an opinion on his failure.
If he's mentally strong enough, he'll overcome it.
But his short history as a NHL prospect indicates he's not strong enough.
That's nice thanks for the stats.
Bert was one of the dumbest players on the Isles. He was a blackhole offensively , was like that as well until he played w. Markus Naslund who really showed Bert the tactics and thinking side of the game.
Even then Bert would constantly take the Nux of overlays but his IQ improved tremendously.
MapleLeafs9
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He's hardly down, he probably thought he played well. He literally said after the game that the refs were on the Finns' side. No accountability at all or taking any blame for the garbage penalties he took, and his lack of offence while playing with Strome all tournament.
NoRaise4Brackett
But Brackett!!!
He didn't have a great tournament, but reading this thread makes it sound like the loss was on him. Hicketts launches the puck out of the rink like he forgot what sport he was playing. Hickey forgot all about positioning and how to skate. Blackwood let a goal in from behind the goal line without a Finnish player in front of the net. Near the end when Canada needs a goal, Marner takes a braindead penalty. Jake had lots of company as far as dumb plays go.
McMatthews
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Hicketts was an undrafted signee by Detroit.
Not the 6th overall pick in a deep draft.
Ohashi_Jouzu*
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Lol what does that have to do w. What happened in the game ?
Mariner was 4th and was terrible.in the tournament. Flurry was 5th and was atrocious. Strome was 3rd and disappeared when it mattered most. What's the correlation ?
Arguably one of the worst players for team Canada throughout the tournament.
How on earth does a 19 year old record 1 point in 5 games, especially when Lowry was playing his line more than any other.
Simply a brainless player without composure. He has 0 hockey IQ and possesses tunnel vision on the ice. Can't use his linemates and does what he pleases.
Canada would have been better off had he been cut from day 1. This guy went top 10?
How on earth does a 19 year old record 1 point in 5 games, especially when Lowry was playing his line more than any other.
Simply a brainless player without composure. He has 0 hockey IQ and possesses tunnel vision on the ice. Can't use his linemates and does what he pleases.
Canada would have been better off had he been cut from day 1. This guy went top 10?
To much meat and potatoes, didn't like the pick when it was made. Not the kind of player you take at 6oa. If your picking a power forward that high out of the draft he has to be a complete package imo and have at least good hockey IQ not a complementary player who needs others to make stuff happen for him offensively and cover his mistakes. Much happier with boesers progress this year in d+1
Starry Knight
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Marner and Strome were terrible?
LMAO, what a joke.
The point being made by the poster was that a tangible asset (a 6th overall pick) was invested in Virtanen, but Hicketts was acquired via free agency.
there is so much hype for many ohl/whl players that one realizes that there are many other players who are on par or better and are completely ignored
so thats one gold medal in 7 yrs ?
so thats one gold medal in 7 yrs ?
Marner was definitely underwhelming and played poorly from a 4 overall , Strome showed flashes but disappeared at times.
I don't think anyone was that good for Canada.
So the two best point producers on Canada were meh and terrible. Virtanen was terrible, the other two had average showings. Stop trying to bash Marner to make JV's play look not as bad. He got 6 minutes in penalties while on a pp in the attacking zone.
Everyone here including me is owning up to JVs bad tournament.
The earlier post was in regards to people playing to draft value.
And yes Marner was very meh this tournament. PP specialist. Rest of his game in terms of turnovers and hanging on to the puck too long was atrocious. Strome I'm so and so about. Showed up then disappeared. His release need a work. He was our best forward.
Fleury looked raw out there.
Lots of poor showing. Just 5 games tho and lots of developmental room to grow for everyone.
Give it a break already seriously, you can't teach someone "hockey iq".
You either got it or you dont.
behemolari
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so Virtanen indeed has dual citizenship, there might be conspiracy after all. most important finnish player of the game.
if it turns a whole nation hates you Jake you're welcome back to home, everyone loves you here
if it turns a whole nation hates you Jake you're welcome back to home, everyone loves you here
Except Marner was one of maybe 4 forwards on the team who created anything along with Strome, Konecny and Barzal. He had an average showing and far from a bad one, he was the one creating chances with the game on the line. leaf/marner fans don't need to own up to anything, it wasn't great but it wasn't bad like you are trying to say, your trying to bash others to take fault away from Virtanen. Fluery wasn't great, but Hicketts and Hickey were equally as bad, no one on the D stood out in a positive way. But Virtanen had the worst tourny out of the entire team and its not close. Plays died on his stick, he couldn't find the holes in the d for playmakers to find him and took some of the dumbest penalties I've ever seen. He was as bad on the top line as Quennville was.
You can't teach size is the proper quote I believe.
Xs and Os can be taught and improved. Maybe not elite level but that's what coaches are for.
Now try teaching someone to be 6'1 210 at 19 yrs old.
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