RW Brock Boeser - North Dakota, NCAA (2015, 23rd, VAN) II

[BoDacious Horvat]

Did Brock boeser do something to you for you to slam him this badly ? I don't see you this emotionally attached this badly to anyone else. Your also not going to get an explanation. Like seriously what is your problem? It's non stop hate from you. Btw which is your favorite NHL team ?

Whiskey is actually one of the few people I've seen on this board that's actively updated on how Boeser's been playing in UND games and has viewed a few, and as much as I'm not worried about Boeser and a huge fan of him, I still prefer Jost over Boeser

 

[DeltaSwede]

Your faceoff argument is strange as that is possibly Jost's best skill as a freshman, as anyone around the UND program will tell you. Jost is considered to be the best faceoff guy on the UND team and one of the best true freshman on faceoffs in the NHL.

"UND is the best faceoff team in the National Collegiate Hockey Conference by a wide margin and is tracking toward being one of the program's best faceoff teams in the last decade."

"All four of UND's regular centers—freshman Tyson Jost, sophomore Rhett Gardner, freshman Ludvig Hoff and junior Johnny Simonson—rank in the top 10 in the NCHC in faceoff percentage.

Jost leads the league at 63.2 percent—quite a ways ahead of second-place Tanner Ockey of Colorado College's 59.7 percent. Simonson ranks fourth at 55.5 percent. Hoff is seventh at 53.9 percent and Gardner is 10th at 53.1 percent.

"At times, UND will ask winger Brock Boeser to take draws, too. He's at 52.7 percent."

"Jost is on pace to break UND's single-season record for faceoff percentage—a stat that has been tracked since 2003-04. The current record is held by Corban Knight at 59.9 percent."

http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/4166233-faceoffs-key-unds-success

You're fixating way too much on the fact that I mentioned Brock is good at faceoffs. I didn't say it to argue that he is better than Jost at faceoffs but that it is one thing Brock brings to the table as a winger. I would consider it quite mandatory for a center to be atleast half decent at taking faceoffs considering that they often take them.....

Whiskeys entire argument is that Jost "brings way more elements to the game at a more important position" what does that even mean? Other than Jost being a center.. what are these numerous elements that he is bringing to the game that Brock isn't? They are both great prospects and great at different things. I don't see anything in eithers game that is far and beyond above the others that could motivate that assumption. It's a ridiculous statement to make. If you consider Jost a better prospect, that's fine, we all have our opinions and things we prefer in players.. but come on.. at least keep it somewhat sane.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

How about you compare Brock's rookie season with Josts?

Why would I do that? The question is "who is the better prospect now" not "who was perceived as the better prospect as of their draft+1 year".

And also consider that Boeser takes some of the more important face offs for UND both this year and last year. End of the game type of situations. He's strong on the face offs.

I don't see how Jost would bring more elements than Brock does.. I would be interested to hear your explanation as to why Jost would be considered a better prospect other than his position..

Whiskeys entire argument is that Jost "brings way more elements to the game at a more important position" what does that even mean? Other than Jost being a center.. what are these numerous elements that he is bringing to the game that Brock isn't? They are both great prospects and great at different things. I don't see anything in eithers game that is far and beyond above the others that could motivate that assumption. It's a ridiculous statement to make. If you consider Jost a better prospect, that's fine, we all have our opinions and things we prefer in players.. but come on.. at least keep it somewhat sane.

"A ridiculous statement to make"? Really? Beyond playing the more important position, Jost does a lot of things better than Boeser:

He is a tremendous faceoff man - way better than Boeser
He is a better skater
He plays a better 2 way game
He is stronger on his skates/on the puck
He is a better puck carrier and distributor
He's better along the boards
He has a higher compete level/better motor

Jost is a play driver. Boeser is more of a complimentary player, stylistically.

Did Brock boeser do something to you for you to slam him this badly ? I don't see you this emotionally attached this badly to anyone else. Your also not going to get an explanation. Like seriously what is your problem? It's non stop hate from you. Btw which is your favorite NHL team ?

Non stop hate? Kinda like how I 'hate' Virtanen? Is there a reason you are being so hostile?

I'm a devils fan, not sure how that is relevant . . .

 

[Breakers]

Boeser is # 8 on this list of top 50 players not in the NHL.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/who-are-the-best-players-not-skating-in-the-nhl-1.677389

And people kept thinking he was referring to the best players not in the NHL, like he should be compared to Kovalchuk and Datsyuk and players of that nature.

 

[ihaveyuidonttouchme]

Why would I do that? The question is "who is the better prospect now" not "who was perceived as the better prospect as of their draft+1 year".




"A ridiculous statement to make"? Really? Beyond playing the more important position, Jost does a lot of things better than Boeser:

He is a tremendous faceoff man - way better than Boeser
He is a better skater
He plays a better 2 way game
He is stronger on his skates/on the puck
He is a better puck carrier and distributor
He's better along the boards
He has a higher compete level/better motor

Jost is a play driver. Boeser is more of a complimentary player, stylistically.



Non stop hate? Kinda like how I 'hate' Virtanen? Is there a reason you are being so hostile?

I'm a devils fan, not sure how that is relevant . . .

coming as a canucks fan and not to be a debbie downer, i'd agree with this and pretty much concur your stance with Jost and Boeser.



in this latest game, UND pretty much loaded up their top line Gersich Jost (as a C) and Boeser. i thought the chemistry was there and creating a lot of scoring chances for that line. Jost definitely is more complete player and a driver. the compete level and two way game is just damn

 

[DeltaSwede]

Why would I do that? The question is "who is the better prospect now" not "who was perceived as the better prospect as of their draft+1 year".

"A ridiculous statement to make"? Really? Beyond playing the more important position, Jost does a lot of things better than Boeser:

He is a tremendous faceoff man - way better than Boeser
He is a better skater
He plays a better 2 way game
He is stronger on his skates/on the puck
He is a better puck carrier and distributor
He's better along the boards
He has a higher compete level/better motor

Jost is a play driver. Boeser is more of a complimentary player, stylistically.

Well of course its a ridiculous statement to make. You claim that Jost brings way more elements to the game than Boeser does and then present a list that's hardly supportive of that claim. Should we not consider Boesers rookie season at all when talking about him as a prospect? Or should we wait to compare that season to Josts sophomore season? Or are we just ignoring that season because it would tip the scale in his direction?

Better at faceoffs? well I damn sure hope the one that plays center of the two is better at faceoffs
Better at skating? sure. Not a big difference between the two and a part of the game that can be worked on
Better 2 way game? debatable
Stronger on his skates? I don't know.. Brocks pretty solid
Better puck carrier and distributor? Jost is certainly the better puck distributor of the two, they both carry the puck really well. Jost is the better passer and Brock is the better scorer. Shocking analysis, I know.
Hes better along the boards? ok.. not by much if at all
Higher compete level? really debatable.. I mean how do you know? Brock works his tail end of just as much as Jost.. Been a lot of talk about his compete level and tremendous character.

That's my point.

You're trying to portray that Jost is by far the better prospect, which he isnt. If you believe Jost is the better prospect, Boeser isn't far behind and vice versa. Also, should we consider the circumstances of this season with Brocks wrist problems.. more defensive role.. at all when considering the numbers? I mean we have already thrown Brocks rookie season out of the way we might as well ignore that too when comparing the two.

Again, unlike you, I'm not trying to make it sound like there is a massive difference between these two. I like Jost a lot, he does a lot of things better than Boeser, and Boeser does a lot of things better than Jost.

Whats your point? If you prefer Jost to Boeser I can't blame you for it. He's a great prospect. You don't have to make it sound like we are comparing Crosby with Beau Bennett though.

Would we have liked to see Boeser score more points this season? yes.
Does that make him a worse prospect with all things considered? no.
Has Boesers potential magically dropped since his rookie season? no.
Has he become a worse prospect because he got a wrist injury and is playing on a worse and much younger UND team? no.
Has Jost showed enough to support your argument of being a far superior prospect? no.
Is Jost a very good prospect? yes.
Is Boeser a very good prospect? yes.
Are they different type of players? yes.
Are they better at different things? yes.

 

[nowhereman]

Well of course its a ridiculous statement to make. You claim that Jost brings way more elements to the game than Boeser does and then present a list that's hardly supportive of that claim. Should we not consider Boesers rookie season at all when talking about him as a prospect? Or should we wait to compare that season to Josts sophomore season? Or are we just ignoring that season because it would tip the scale in his direction?

This.

Boeser had a better draft+1 season than Jost and the only reason he's comparable with him this year is due to a wrist injury and subsequent surgery. It's a disservice to Boeser to claim that Jost is the better prospect, when Boeser's year has been hampered by injury. Let's not forget that Boeser was the best player on a team that won the NCAA championship last season. His body of work is better than Jost's, pure and simple, and one injury doesn't change that (unless it effects him long term).

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Well of course its a ridiculous statement to make. You claim that Jost brings way more elements to the game than Boeser does and then present a list that's hardly supportive of that claim. Should we not consider Boesers rookie season at all when talking about him as a prospect? Or should we wait to compare that season to Josts sophomore season? Or are we just ignoring that season because it would tip the scale in his direction?

I would argue trend is very important in projecting prospects.

Better at faceoffs? well I damn sure hope the one that plays center of the two is better at faceoffs
Better at skating? sure. Not a big difference between the two and a part of the game that can be worked on
Better 2 way game? debatable
Stronger on his skates? I don't know.. Brocks pretty solid
Better puck carrier and distributor? Jost is certainly the better puck distributor of the two, they both carry the puck really well. Jost is the better passer and Brock is the better scorer. Shocking analysis, I know.
Hes better along the boards? ok.. not by much if at all
Higher compete level? really debatable.. I mean how do you know? Brock works his tail end of just as much as Jost.. Been a lot of talk about his compete level and tremendous character.

Their 2 way play is not at all debatable.

So Jost is better at skating, puck carrying, passing, playing along the boards, and being a 2 way player, all at a younger age while playing C. That's a fairly reasonable list that should make him the better, more valuable NHL'er.

You're trying to portray that Jost is by far the better prospect, which he isnt. If you believe Jost is the better prospect, Boeser isn't far behind and vice versa. Also, should we consider the circumstances of this season with Brocks wrist problems.. more defensive role.. at all when considering the numbers? I mean we have already thrown Brocks rookie season out of the way we might as well ignore that too when comparing the two.

Again, unlike you, I'm not trying to make it sound like there is a massive difference between these two. I like Jost a lot, he does a lot of things better than Boeser, and Boeser does a lot of things better than Jost.

Whats your point? If you prefer Jost to Boeser I can't blame you for it. He's a great prospect. You don't have to make it sound like we are comparing Crosby with Beau Bennett though.

Would we have liked to see Boeser score more points this season? yes.
Does that make him a worse prospect with all things considered? no.
Has Boesers potential magically dropped since his rookie season? no.
Has he become a worse prospect because he got a wrist injury and is playing on a worse and much younger UND team? no.
Has Jost showed enough to support your argument of being a far superior prospect? no.
Is Jost a very good prospect? yes.
Is Boeser a very good prospect? yes.
Are they different type of players? yes.
Are they better at different things? yes.

Where did I ever say there is a "massive difference" between the two prospects? Yes, Jost is better and more well rounded, but I've hardly made it seem like Crosby to Bennett. That's all in your head.

 

[TLEH]

Jost is a much more complete player than Boeser. Boeser literally played in the best situation possible in college hockey last season behind the CCM line. Only reason CCM had it better was because they played in a **** conference.

It's a down year for UND, of course his numbers aren't going to be as good. Brock's release and hands are top notch but I like Jost's compete level and well roundedness, as well as being a center.

 

[TeddyBare]

Is this a thread about Brock Boeser or Tyson Jost

 

[The Drop]

It's about being upset that Boeser was rated high by a guy paid for his opinion.

Is he correct? Time will tell. But it's at least good news for Canuck fans that someone regards their best prospect highly.

Seems like all signs point to him signing in the offseason and beginning his pro career next year.

 

[Breakers]

So Jost is better at skating, puck carrying, passing, playing along the boards, and being a 2 way player, all at a younger age while playing C. That's a fairly reasonable list that should make him the better, more valuable NHL'er.

Boeser is way better along the boards.

that's where he excels.

 

[luki here]

Was it really trash though?

2007 from what I can see had

Kane (#1 RW)
JVR (#1 / #2 LW)
Turris (#1 / #2 C)
Alzner (top 4 D)
Gagner (meh)
Voracek (top line)
Couture (top line if not for Thornton)
Sutter (meh)
McDonagh (top D)
Shattenkirk (top D)
Pacioretty (top liner)
Backlund (top 6)
Subban (#1 D)
Simmonds (top liner)

Which is pretty good. I'd say the 2012 draft was really bad since it only netted players like in the first round

Galchenyuk (#1/2 C)
Rielly (top 2 dman)
Lindholm (#1 dman)
Dumba (top 4 D)
Trouba (top 2 D potential)
Forsberg (#1/2 C)
Ceci (top 4 D)
Murray (meh)
Hertl (top 6 winger)
Maatta (meh)

Let's take a look at the 2015 draft,

McDavid (#1 C)
Eichel (#1 C)
Strome (Dude's too slow)
Marner (top line winger)
Hanifin (top 2 D potential)
Zacha (no comment)
Provorov (top 2 D already although it's due to the lack of depth in Flyers' D)
Werenski (top 2 D)
Rantanen (top 6 winger)
Zboril (no comment yet)
Barzal (no comment yet)
Connor (no comment yet)
Chabot (looked good @ wjc)
Samsonov (lighting it up in the KHL with a .933%)
Boeser (no comment yet)
Konecny (top 9 winger)
Aho (top 6)
Carlo (top 4 D)
Gaudette (homer but he's lighting it up in the NCAA)

.933sv% is not lighting it up in the khl. Last season sorokin had more than .95sv% albeit on a stronger team. Khl is a goaltenders league.

 

[lawrence]

Whiskey is actually one of the few people I've seen on this board that's actively updated on how Boeser's been playing in UND games and has viewed a few, and as much as I'm not worried about Boeser and a huge fan of him, I still prefer Jost over Boeser

in the past he's also "actively" updated Canucks fans on virtanens status, by saying he's been watching him play lots. The same with him during the ahl, mentioned he's actually seen enough of Lawson crouse play because he's a subscriber to ohl games, and now he's an active follower of the college hockey?

Sounds a load of crap and actually nowhere to be found when boeser is doing well. Comes back and says "1 point in his last games"

Mentions his skating is too slow , and has to bring up Tyson jost? if he was also so good why is he only a point per game ?

 

[DeltaSwede]

Where did I ever say there is a "massive difference" between the two prospects? Yes, Jost is better and more well rounded, but I've hardly made it seem like Crosby to Bennett. That's all in your head.

right here:

I would also be interested to hear his explanation for placing Boeser ahead of Jost, who's producing at the same pace despite being a year younger and bringing way more elements to the game at a more important position.

Maybe I should have presumed that what you meant with "bringing way more elements to the game at a more important position" in fact meant that you don't feel there is a massive difference between the two. Crosby vs Bennett is an exaggeration from my part for dramatic effect *jazz hands*.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

right here:



Maybe I should have presumed that what you meant with "bringing way more elements to the game at a more important position" in fact meant that you don't feel there is a massive difference between the two. Crosby vs Bennett is an exaggeration from my part for dramatic effect *jazz hands*.

Bringing way more to the game doesn't make you a better player. Zajac brings way more elements to the game than Ovechkin, doesn't mean he's better. But add the fact that Jost is producing at the same rate while playing center and being a year younger? Yea I think that makes him the more valuable player/prospect. There respective WJC performances can't be ignored either. Jost was a beast all over the ice for Canada. Boeser was fairly invisible when he went to Helsinki.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

in the past he's also "actively" updated Canucks fans on virtanens status, by saying he's been watching him play lots. The same with him during the ahl, mentioned he's actually seen enough of Lawson crouse play because he's a subscriber to ohl games, and now he's an active follower of the college hockey?

Welcome to the prospects forum, where posters like to follow prospects in various leagues. You act like it's hard these days to watch games? I get a dozen NCAA games a week on my cable box + 2-3 CHL games. And I've got OHL season pass and will buy AHL games from time to time.

Also - I haven't seen much of Virtanen at all this year, mostly I've seen some shift by shift videos. I guess you ignored my recent post in that thread where I said a lot of positive things about his game?

Sounds a load of crap and actually nowhere to be found when boeser is doing well. Comes back and says "1 point in his last games"

When a prospect is playing to expectations there isn't much to talk about. But when a player is struggling it's worth discussing to better understand if there are obstacles they may have to face to transition effectively to the NHL.

Mentions his skating is too slow , and has to bring up Tyson jost? if he was also so good why is he only a point per game ?

I brought up Jost in response to the guy who posted Button's list as a fairly notable discrepancy. But it's not surprising considering Boeser has been one of Button's favorites for some time.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Welcome to the prospects forum, where posters like to follow prospects in various leagues. You act like it's hard these days to watch games? I get a dozen NCAA games a week on my cable box + 2-3 CHL games. And I've got OHL season pass and will buy AHL games from time to time.

Also - I haven't seen much of Virtanen at all this year, mostly I've seen some shift by shift videos. I guess you ignored my recent post in that thread where I said a lot of positive things about his game?



When a prospect is playing to expectations there isn't much to talk about. But when a player is struggling it's worth discussing to better understand if there are obstacles they may have to face to transition effectively to the NHL.



I brought up Jost in response to the guy who posted Button's list as a fairly notable discrepancy. But it's not surprising considering Boeser has been one of Button's favorites for some time.

As a Vancouver fan I just want to say I appreciate your honest objective analysis.

Just cause you're not pumping his tires after his massive season last year doesn't mean you don't think he's a good prospect. I'd rather read honest critique of a players game than fanboys stat watching and screaming about a guy being the next biggest thing and getting all upset when everyone doesn't agree with them.

 

[Evolu7ion]

2 goals last night.



That release though.

 

[The Saw Is the Law]

2 goals last night.



That release though.

ROFLMAO that defence

 

[Evolu7ion]

ROFLMAO that defence

Haha no doubt, what a gift eh. Brock took that **** straight to the bank though!

 

[Love]

There respective WJC performances can't be ignored either. Jost was a beast all over the ice for Canada. Boeser was fairly invisible when he went to Helsinki.

Ok I appreciate your opinions as well, but now you're just contradicting yourself.

You have stated clearly that using Boeser's freshman year to compare it to Jost's freshman year isn't fair/is irrelevant. Yet now you cite Boeser's WJC from his draft +1 season as if it's gospel? This makes no sense to me. How do you discredit Boeser's entire freshman year when comparing to Josts, yet you use Boeser's WJC (what was it, 7 games?) to discredit him?

You aren't doing this comparison justice. Boeser was so dominant last year, it was one of the best freshman seasons we've ever seen in the NCAA. And I've also heard you write that Boeser isn't driving the offense and is more of a complimentary piece. That's strange, since Boeser led his team in points last year. It's very rare for a complementary piece to lead his team in scoring... perhaps even impossible.

I don't care if you think Jost is better, but at least use a coherent argument to prove why you think that.

 

[The Drop]

There respective WJC performances can't be ignored either. Jost was a beast all over the ice for Canada. Boeser was fairly invisible when he went to Helsinki.

1 goal in 7 games for Jost at the WJC. "Beast"

1 goal in 7 games for Boeser at WJC. "Fairly Invisible"

Lol

 

[Nightfx]

1 goal in 7 games for Jost at the WJC. "Beast"

1 goal in 7 games for Boeser at WJC. "Fairly Invisible"

Lol

Because stats clearly illustrates how a player "looks".

 

[The Drop]

Because stats clearly illustrates how a player "looks".

Jost had 1 good game. The opener where him and Barzal looked good. Then was a non factor.

And eye tests always tell you what you want to see. See "Beast"....