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RW Brock Boeser - North Dakota, NCAA (2015, 23rd, VAN) II

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Sergei Shirokov said:
Speaking of Statistics supporting a conclusion.



I'm pretty sure that's the same standpoint some of these people were coming from last year with the comparisons.

Its been an injury rittled season for Boeser, that's undeniable. I think its incredibly ignorant to think that this is as good as he could possibly be playing this year if the stars had aligned, or that this is a true reflection of him as a prospect.

He has his areas where he needs to work, but hes got the character, willingness, and drive to be a great player. He skating will be improved, if Bo Horvat can go from 3C projections to fastest skater contest at an all-star game Brock can improve his skating aswell.

You say he isn't the best player on his team, but if he had been healthy the whole time he probably would have not only been the best player on his team but also the best/most highly regarded player going into the World Juniors for Team USA.

From what I gather of following him the entire time since we've drafted him (not just a handful of games this year) is that; when he's healthy this year he's been playing very good, just as good as he was last year, when he has been having trouble with injury he hasn't been as good. Not to say he still can't improve.
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He's been healthy for a while now. It's not just that he's not putting up points, it sounds like he's been mostly invisible out there apart from a few games here and there. I don't see how you can put all the blame on his injury
 
Sergei Shirokov said:
I'm pretty sure that's the same standpoint some of these people were coming from last year with the comparisons.

Its been an injury rittled season for Boeser, that's undeniable. I think its incredibly ignorant to think that this is as good as he could possibly be playing this year if the stars had aligned, or that this is a true reflection of him as a prospect.

He has his areas where he needs to work, but hes got the character, willingness, and drive to be a great player. He skating will be improved, if Bo Horvat can go from 3C projections to fastest skater contest at an all-star game Brock can improve his skating as well.

You say he isn't the best player on his team, but if he had been healthy the whole time he probably would have not only been the best player on his team but also the best/most highly regarded player going into the World Juniors for Team USA.

From what I gather of following him the entire time since we've drafted him (not just a handful of games this year) is that; when he's healthy this year he's been playing very good, just as good as he was last year, when he has been having trouble with injury he hasn't been as good. Not to say he still can't improve.
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I keep repeating myself here... when it comes to skating improvement Bo Horvat is a major outlier. Just because was able to turn his skating from a weakness to a strength doesn't mean any prospect can be competing in the fastest skater competition with nothing more than some good solid training effort. Honestly it's becoming kin of a joke at this point. Canuck prospect has questionable skating, Canuck fan response: 'but Horvat!'

It's certainly something for Broeser to work on and maybe he can make some gains, but theirs no telling how soon or by how much.
 
Sheik Yerbouti said:
He's been healthy for a while now. It's not just that he's not putting up points, it sounds like he's been mostly invisible out there apart from a few games here and there. I don't see how you can put all the blame on his injury
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Because the injury problems put you behind the 8 ball comparatively to his competition.

They are in mid-season form and he's gotta try to start fresh all over again. I'm not trying to blame it all on the injury but I don't think his current play is representative of his status as a prospect compared to what he's done when he's been completely healthy.
 
RandV said:
I keep repeating myself here... when it comes to skating improvement Bo Horvat is a major outlier. Just because was able to turn his skating from a weakness to a strength doesn't mean any prospect can be competing in the fastest skater competition with nothing more than some good solid training effort. Honestly it's becoming kin of a joke at this point. Canuck prospect has questionable skating, Canuck fan response: 'but Horvat!'

It's certainly something for Broeser to work on and maybe he can make some gains, but theirs no telling how soon or by how much.
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Do I really need to go back through history and list all the players who had skating concerns that worked on them and became fine skaters/players?

Bo isn't the first time its happened, he's just the most relevant example. If you have the drive to work on something it can be improved, skating kinda comes down to technique, technique can be worked on. Brock can put in time in the offseason and improve the length of his stride, he can improve his stamina and his the power he gets out of his stride. These things are within the realm of possibility.
 
Mark Scheifele was bad skater too after being drafted and he improved it big time to a point it's a strength now. Taveres is another example, Barkov another
 
RandV said:
I keep repeating myself here... when it comes to skating improvement Bo Horvat is a major outlier. Just because was able to turn his skating from a weakness to a strength doesn't mean any prospect can be competing in the fastest skater competition with nothing more than some good solid training effort. Honestly it's becoming kin of a joke at this point. Canuck prospect has questionable skating, Canuck fan response: 'but Horvat!'

It's certainly something for Broeser to work on and maybe he can make some gains, but theirs no telling how soon or by how much.
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the canucks do, however, have barb aidelbaum on the payroll. she is one of the world's great power skating miracle workers.
 
Simply put, if he puts in the time and effort to improve his skating, the guy has top line potential.

His vision, hands and mostly his shot are way too good.
 
Sergei Shirokov said:
Do I really need to go back through history and list all the players who had skating concerns that worked on them and became fine skaters/players?

Bo isn't the first time its happened, he's just the most relevant example. If you have the drive to work on something it can be improved, skating kinda comes down to technique, technique can be worked on. Brock can put in time in the offseason and improve the length of his stride, he can improve his stamina and his the power he gets out of his stride. These things are within the realm of possibility.
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Here's the thing -- if you did, it wouldn't prove anything. The fact the other players have improved their skating significantly doesn't mean Boeser can, and it doesn't mean he's not an outlier. The poster you're responding to is correct. Almost all players work hard to improve their skating and most don't have close to the results Horvat has had.
 
vikingsdidWTC said:
Here's the thing -- if you did, it wouldn't prove anything. The fact the other players have improved their skating significantly doesn't mean Boeser can, and it doesn't mean he's not an outlier. The poster you're responding to is correct. Almost all players work hard to improve their skating and most don't have close to the results Horvat has had.
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I think the main point is that out of all the major attributes that make an NHL player, skating is probably the easiest to improve on. Size, puck handling, shooting, passing, instincts are all mostly things that can be improved on but not by much compared to skating.
 
Sheik Yerbouti said:
I think the main point is that out of all the major attributes that make an NHL player, skating is probably the easiest to improve on. Size, puck handling, shooting, passing, instincts are all mostly things that can be improved on but not by much compared to skating.
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I know that, we all know it, and the people he's arguing with aren't disputing it.
 
What does his skating have to do with other fanbases that don't follow vancouver Canucks? It's like they want to find a negative about him and rift on it. Do you guys honestly want to know who are the slowest forwards on the Canucks roster right now. Daniel and Henrik sedin.
 
Sergei Shirokov said:
What he said was my point.
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No, you mainly were saying that Brock will be a great player when he improves his skating and used Horvat as an example of the improvement we should expect. Various people have tried to explain the Horvat's improvement is unusual and not usually possible, and you've ignored them.
 
vikingsdidWTC said:
no, you mainly were saying that Brock will be a great player when he improves his skating and used Horvat as an example of the improvement we should expect. Various people have tried to explain the Horvat's improvement is unusual and not usually possible, and you've ignored them.
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The bolded, no I didn't. I didn't say anything about expecting, or atleast I didn't mean to, what he said was what I meant. Horvat was just the most relevant example.

The first part yes, I think Brock can improve because he seems to be a high character guy like Horvat who takes pride in playing well.

We'll have to see what happens, its just my opinion.
 
Sergei Shirokov said:
The bolded, no I didn't. I didn't say anything about expecting, or atleast I didn't mean to, what he said was what I meant. Horvat was just the most relevant example.

The first part yes, I think Brock can improve because he seems to be a high character guy like Horvat who takes pride in playing well.

We'll have to see what happens, its just my opinion.
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I see skating as a very fixable skill, but you can only improve it so much. It's something you can take from bad to average, from average to good, or from good to great. Very rarely do you see bad skaters turn into good skaters unless there is a change in physique required.

Take Horvat - he was never a terrible skater, but a big reason that his first few steps were a bit slow was because he was so heavy. If I recall, he cut a lot of weight and predictably got a lot faster. But he always had a very powerful stride, the guy is built like an ox.

Boeser would concern me more because he doesn't have that powerful natural stride, and he's not noticeably stocky. I think he can make improvements to become an average skater like a Sean Monahan, but there aren't a ton of good young players these days that are just average / poor skaters. Just look at the NA team at the world cup.

I actually think a winger version of Monahan is a decent parallel. Good hands, good shot, good instincts and vision. If he turns into a 20 goal 40 point guy I think that's a pretty good result for a 23rd pick.
 

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Explosiveness was a sticking point. Skating will not be his issue. Anyone who thinks he's too slow is a hater. Plain and simple. Nothing more.
 
lawrence said:


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Explosiveness was a sticking point. Skating will not be his issue. Anyone who thinks he's too slow is a hater. Plain and simple. Nothing more.
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I'm hating on your embedding skills, do better. Aka, fixed for you.

 
lawrence said:


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Explosiveness was a sticking point. Skating will not be his issue. Anyone who thinks he's too slow is a hater. Plain and simple. Nothing more.
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Nothing about those clips screams 'explosiveness'. Heck, in most of those clips he struggles to out skate NCAA defenseman, how do you think he is going to fair against NHL dmen? At 12:30 he gets caught by the defenseman despite having a half step head start with momentum.

The one thing he has going for him is his stride length, but he's not getting a ton of power out of them yet so his top speed is still pretty meh. But his quickness, acceleration, lateral mobility etc is far below that of most young stars in the league today.

But I guess I'm just a hater.
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
Take Horvat - he was never a terrible skater, but a big reason that his first few steps were a bit slow was because he was so heavy. If I recall, he cut a lot of weight and predictably got a lot faster. But he always had a very powerful stride, the guy is built like an ox.
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Horvat actually added weight and still got faster. Currently at 223 lbs.

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Iain+MacIntyre+Canucks+rookie+Horvat+knows+huge+gains/10878161/story.html
 
I'm not really worried about Boeser. He has that lethal shot, nifty hands, and he has good hockey sense so he knows where to go without the puck to get into position to score. I hardly ever see a prospect fail if they have good hockey sense and a good shot, I'm seeing a top 6 player, and I'm also sure he'll improve his skating somewhat.

Horvat didn't dramatically improve his skating either, he was an average skater and went to good, Boeser is a below-average skater in terms of speed and I think he can get to an average level at least. I don't expect Boeser to be Horvat fast and I doubt he'll be that fast at all, but I'm confident his skating will be better in 1-2 years than it is right now. That's all he needs anyway, just a little improvement.
 
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