RW Brock Boeser - North Dakota, NCAA (2015, 23rd, VAN) II

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

1 goal in 7 games for Jost at the WJC. "Beast"

1 goal in 7 games for Boeser at WJC. "Fairly Invisible"

Lol

Jost was much better than Boeser at the WJC'S. Nobody with a pair of eyes would deny that.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Ok I appreciate your opinions as well, but now you're just contradicting yourself.

You have stated clearly that using Boeser's freshman year to compare it to Jost's freshman year isn't fair/is irrelevant. Yet now you cite Boeser's WJC from his draft +1 season as if it's gospel? This makes no sense to me. How do you discredit Boeser's entire freshman year when comparing to Josts, yet you use Boeser's WJC (what was it, 7 games?) to discredit him?

You aren't doing this comparison justice. Boeser was so dominant last year, it was one of the best freshman seasons we've ever seen in the NCAA. And I've also heard you write that Boeser isn't driving the offense and is more of a complimentary piece. That's strange, since Boeser led his team in points last year. It's very rare for a complementary piece to lead his team in scoring... perhaps even impossible.

I don't care if you think Jost is better, but at least use a coherent argument to prove why you think that.

How did you come to the conclusion that 'its gospel'? I'm just pointing it out as a valid reference point.

Comparing Boeser's freshman season to Jost's is hardly fair considering the changes at UND - it might be relevant if Jost had the chance to play with last season's version of UND, but as other fans have pointed out, this year's team is not nearly as talented.

 

[lawrence]

Welcome to the prospects forum, where posters like to follow prospects in various leagues. You act like it's hard these days to watch games? I get a dozen NCAA games a week on my cable box + 2-3 CHL games. And I've got OHL season pass and will buy AHL games from time to time.

Also - I haven't seen much of Virtanen at all this year, mostly I've seen some shift by shift videos. I guess you ignored my recent post in that thread where I said a lot of positive things about his game?



When a prospect is playing to expectations there isn't much to talk about. But when a player is struggling it's worth discussing to better understand if there are obstacles they may have to face to transition effectively to the NHL.



I brought up Jost in response to the guy who posted Button's list as a fairly notable discrepancy. But it's not surprising considering Boeser has been one of Button's favorites for some time.

It's one thing to follow prospects from other leagues, totally a different story, when you particularly in thread of a prospect your attacking by mentioning you were able to watch him play multiple times to try to justify what you are saying. You've already used this line on prospects that's played in the whl (jake virtanen) ahl (jake virtanen) ohl (Lawson crouse) Brock boeser (nchc) Noah hanifan (h-east), and numerous other prospects. At some point it's quite obvious your just a hater. That's probably never even seen that prospect played other then highlites or the wjc. You mentioned your not impressed with buttons list, but totally fail to mention it in the particular thread that is dedicated to his list, you also sound like your a huge fan of jost, but your not even talking about how good he is,on that thread. It's obvious what type of user you are.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

It's one thing to follow prospects from other leagues, totally a different story, when you particularly in thread of a prospect your attacking by mentioning you were able to watch him play multiple times to try to justify what you are saying. You've already used this line on prospects that's played in the whl (jake virtanen) ahl (jake virtanen) ohl (Lawson crouse) Brock boeser (nchc) Noah hanifan (h-east), and numerous other prospects. At some point it's quite obvious your just a hater. That's probably never even seen that prospect played other then highlites or the wjc. You mentioned your not impressed with buttons list, but totally fail to mention it in the particular thread that is dedicated to his list, you also sound like your a huge fan of jost, but your not even talking about how good he is,on that thread. It's obvious what type of user you are.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here as it's barely literate, but am I not supposed to provide my opinion of a prospect based on viewings? Just because you consistently overrate Vancouver prospects doesn't make me a hater, it just makes you a homer.

It's funny that you mentioned Virtanen and Crouse because it's looking more and more like I was spot on with my evaluations. You'll have to show me where I "hated" on Hanifin.

Maybe if you want to be taken seriously you should start spending more of your time thinking critically about prospects and less of it worrying about my opinion and what threads I am posting in.

 

[Canucks LB]

Jost was much better than Boeser at the WJC'S. Nobody with a pair of eyes would deny that.

?????? Boeser was not in the wjc this year lmao

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

?????? Boeser was not in the wjc this year lmao

I know, never said he was. In fact, I specifically mentioned that earlier, if you were paying any attention.

 

[Phrasing]

Why would I do that? The question is "who is the better prospect now" not "who was perceived as the better prospect as of their draft+1 year".




"A ridiculous statement to make"? Really? Beyond playing the more important position, Jost does a lot of things better than Boeser:

He is a tremendous faceoff man - way better than Boeser
He is a better skater
He plays a better 2 way game
He is stronger on his skates/on the puck
He is a better puck carrier and distributor
He's better along the boards
He has a higher compete level/better motor

Jost is a play driver. Boeser is more of a complimentary player, stylistically.



Non stop hate? Kinda like how I 'hate' Virtanen? Is there a reason you are being so hostile?

I'm a devils fan, not sure how that is relevant . . .

Respectfully disagree. Any person who is a UND fan or has watched enough games to know your conclusions are far too simple.

First, Boeser, while on a loaded team, had a far better freshman campaign then Jost has had, and showed it equally with their play as drivers, not as passengers.

This year Boeser has been less dangerous and consistent, but he has also been shooting less. He did have an injury that he tried to play through for most of the first half, and is now playing keep up.

In the meanwhile, Jost has been playing admirably by taking this team on his back, not unlike what Boeser did last year.

As for your qualities you issued above, not all of those elements are cut and dry in favor of Jost and not all are weighted equally. I think it's more prudent to watch the games and to see how effective each player is when they play, and right now I think Boeser is more important to UND's success then Jost is. That's using the "eye test" you were referring to with the WJCs.

EDIT: as another sticking point, you've been contradicting yourself a bit with Boeser. I don't think he's going to be a superstar, and fans always overrate their best prospects, but at times your going far on the other side to play devil's advocate that doesn't justify your positions. For example, you said Boeser was overrated despite his stats approaching Toews, Parise, etc. levels, doesn't pass your eye test, but now that his stats reflect what you think his play is, those stats are relevant? I suppose we will take a wait-and-see approach with him to see how much he competes to improve his shortfalls to become an NHL player, but he has a lot of qualities that may make him a top 10 forward in his draft, or even top 10 player to come out of the NCAA in the past little while.

 

[thrillhous]

Jost was much better than Boeser at the WJC'S. Nobody with a pair of eyes would deny that.

Well then, because you said it it must be true. Get off your high horse.

I am a WJC fanatic and I still have every game from the last 2 WJCs involving Canada and US recorded. I have watched each of those games at minimum 2 times with the exception of the games against the minnows. Boeser was just as good a year ago as Jost was this year. Neither of them were game changers and they had their ups and downs but they were both effective as 18 year olds.

And for the record I like Boeser and Jost equally as prospects. They bring different things to the table and there is a lot to like about both of them.

 

[The Drop]

Jost was much better than Boeser at the WJC'S. Nobody with a pair of eyes would deny that.

Perhaps trained eyes would be beneficial in assessing when players look like "beasts"

 

[AvsCOL]

This thread is great entertainment. Apparently Boesser is better because he had a better rookie season, even though Jost is the more impressive player this year...


Makes sense

 

[ZINFINITY16]

Does he sign with Vancouver at the end of this season? If he plays another season in college at what point do people start to question if he goes UFA like Vesey? Is that even a convern with this kid or no will he most certainly be a Canuck? (Not tryna troll genuinely wondering)

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Does he sign with Vancouver at the end of this season? If he plays another season in college at what point do people start to question if he goes UFA like Vesey? Is that even a convern with this kid or no will he most certainly be a Canuck? (Not tryna troll genuinely wondering)

All signs point to him signing a pro contract after this season. Of course there is no guarantee but it has been alluded to many different times in interviews with Canucks management and Boeser

 

[The Drop]

Does he sign with Vancouver at the end of this season? If he plays another season in college at what point do people start to question if he goes UFA like Vesey? Is that even a convern with this kid or no will he most certainly be a Canuck? (Not tryna troll genuinely wondering)

I believe they still hold 2 years after this current season for his rights.

 

[93LEAFS]

I believe they still hold 2 years after this current season for his rights.

They do, but if a guy hasn't signed by end of his sophomore season it is time to start worrying a bit. But, before people start getting carried away, this situation has very little in common with Kevin Hayes or Jimmy Vesey. Neither of those guys teams encouraged them to turn pro til after their junior year, and depending on who you believe felt slightly insulted (Hayes) or with 1 year left towards the degree and choosing their destination (Vesey) decided it was best to wait it out.

Boeser probably had a firm offer from the Canucks but decided to go back. That firm offer probably still stands. I think the chances Boeser plays all 4 years is minimal. Maybe this injury plagued year encourages him to go back, but the interest from the Canucks has always been there.

 

[Black Noise]

They do, but if a guy hasn't signed by end of his sophomore season it is time to start worrying a bit. But, before people start getting carried away, this situation has very little in common with Kevin Hayes or Jimmy Vesey. Neither of those guys teams encouraged them to turn pro til after their junior year, and depending on who you believe felt slightly insulted (Hayes) or with 1 year left towards the degree and choosing their destination (Vesey) decided it was best to wait it out.

Boeser probably had a firm offer from the Canucks but decided to go back. That firm offer probably still stands. I think the chances Boeser plays all 4 years is minimal. Maybe this injury plagued year encourages him to go back, but the interest from the Canucks has always been there.

Boeser's coach recently said that he doesn't expect Boeser to be back next year.

Canuck fans shouldn't be worried, I'd bet he's going to be signed right after UND's season is over much like Connor last year.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I'd give him another year. I'd tank 2018, re-sign the twins and have them pass on the Canuck ways to boeser and ideally dahlin. Boeser I don't think is 100% ready, though the nucks are thirsting for him rn.

 

[Evolu7ion]

That shot tho.

Shocking to see a prospect whose greatest asset is his shot rebound after recovering from wrist injury earlier in the season

 

[lawrence]

That shot tho.

Shocking to see a prospect whose greatest asset is his shot rebound after recovering from wrist injury earlier in the season

beauty. His wrist shot is already something, let a lone a slap shot, which some forwards can't really do.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Has he been playing better lately? I haven't been able to catch any games.

 

[Szechwan]

Has he been playing better lately? I haven't been able to catch any games.

He's been in and out of the lineup since first returning from surgery, I think this was his first back after missing a couple. Definitely having his ups and downs. From what I've seen he hasn't regained his form from last season though.

 

[WTG]

2 points last night, Berry still trying to limit his minutes because he's just returning from injury, so he put him on the 4th line.

He's on a line with Ludvig Hoff and Zach Yon.

My guess is what happened with Boeser is that he was rushed back to playing top minutes a bit too fast mid season. I really wouldn't put much stock into this seasons PPG, he's been absolutely crippled with injuries. Every game he's played he's either, just returned from injury, or playing through one. Still while maintaining a PPG.

 

[WTG]

As for this whole "Jost vs Boeser" debate.

You are talking about 2 different players, I've seen them both play extensively throughout the season. Jost, could be considered more of a "driver", but still hasn't driven the play that much where I'd call him a driver on his line. He does however, have the ability to drive the play. In the NHL, I can see Jost taking a similar PPG and playstle to say, someone like Kadri.

A 2-way center consistently getting around 50 points, with a nice shot and some playmaking abilities. Which to me would be perfect fit in Colorado behind Mackinnon.

As for Boeser, I see him more as a supportive piece then Jost. He doesn't drive the play as much as Jost, but he's not that far behind Jost in that regard either. He has a stellar shot, but is a slower skater then Jost, not a "slow skater", unless you'd consider someone like Vrbata a slow skater (I think Vrbata/Boeser are comparable skating wise).

I think Vrbata and Boeser share a lot of attributes, they both shoot from basically everywhere and have that goal scoring instinct. Having watched Vrbata over 120+ games here in Van I think that Boeser and Vrbata will probably play the same type of role in Vancouver at least. Saying that, I think Boeser probably has the potential to be a top 6 sniper/supportive player kind of like Vrbata is. Putting up consistent 20+ goal seasons playing on the 1st unit PP and first or second line. He won't be a driver of the offense, just like Vrbata wasn't a driver of offense, rather he'll rely on others to get the puck on his stick and he'll shoot.


But saying that, this all depends on them developing up to their potential. I'm making no claims that these players will reach their potential. It's incredibly hard to predict where these 2 players will end up playing and what their roles will be in the NHL. One of them, or even both, could end up being busts and I'd look incredibly silly. I'm just trying to give my 2-cents about these players.

 

[GetFocht]

He should have just signed pro last season, seems like this season is just him maintaining himself and recovering from injury.

Regardless he should be in the Canucks lineup or in Utica very shortly.

 

[Love]

2 points last night, Berry still trying to limit his minutes because he's just returning from injury, so he put him on the 4th line.

He's on a line with Ludvig Hoff and Zach Yon.

My guess is what happened with Boeser is that he was rushed back to playing top minutes a bit too fast mid season. I really wouldn't put much stock into this seasons PPG, he's been absolutely crippled with injuries. Every game he's played he's either, just returned from injury, or playing through one. Still while maintaining a PPG.

As for this whole "Jost vs Boeser" debate.

You are talking about 2 different players, I've seen them both play extensively throughout the season. Jost, could be considered more of a "driver", but still hasn't driven the play that much where I'd call him a driver on his line. He does however, have the ability to drive the play. In the NHL, I can see Jost taking a similar PPG and playstle to say, someone like Kadri.

A 2-way center consistently getting around 50 points, with a nice shot and some playmaking abilities. Which to me would be perfect fit in Colorado behind Mackinnon.

As for Boeser, I see him more as a supportive piece then Jost. He doesn't drive the play as much as Jost, but he's not that far behind Jost in that regard either. He has a stellar shot, but is a slower skater then Jost, not a "slow skater", unless you'd consider someone like Vrbata a slow skater (I think Vrbata/Boeser are comparable skating wise).

I think Vrbata and Boeser share a lot of attributes, they both shoot from basically everywhere and have that goal scoring instinct. Having watched Vrbata over 120+ games here in Van I think that Boeser and Vrbata will probably play the same type of role in Vancouver at least. Saying that, I think Boeser probably has the potential to be a top 6 sniper/supportive player kind of like Vrbata is. Putting up consistent 20+ goal seasons playing on the 1st unit PP and first or second line. He won't be a driver of the offense, just like Vrbata wasn't a driver of offense, rather he'll rely on others to get the puck on his stick and he'll shoot.


But saying that, this all depends on them developing up to their potential. I'm making no claims that these players will reach their potential. It's incredibly hard to predict where these 2 players will end up playing and what their roles will be in the NHL. One of them, or even both, could end up being busts and I'd look incredibly silly. I'm just trying to give my 2-cents about these players.

Thanks for the input. It seems that he has been injured a lot, but I don't follow the team as much as you do so I didn't really know for sure.

As for comparables Vrbata seems like a good one. For some reason I always think of Michael Ryder as a comparable to Boeser.

 

[Evolu7ion]

He should have just signed pro last season, seems like this season is just him maintaining himself and recovering from injury.

Regardless he should be in the Canucks lineup or in Utica very shortly.

Watching HNIC and Elliotte Friedman just said Boeser's preference is to play in Van and not Utica once his college season is done. Obv that is beneficial for Boeser if he plays 10 NHL games as it burns a year off his ELC and gets him to bigger salary sooner. From Van's perspective, don't think they'll play around given he does have an out a few seasons away and given the team is hurting to selling tickets down the stretch.

Think we're gonna see Boeser in a Canucks sweater sooner than later.