WJC: Russia 2019 Roster Talk | Mod Note in OP

[Melkor]

He is a passionate and hard-driven player who loves to show what he can do. What can he do? He can deliver offense. In that respect, he reminds me a lot of Aleksei Kovalev. If he is allowed to play in the WJC, it will be a level above what he is accustomed to, but I feel certain that he would literally seize the opportunity on a world stage with all the attention it brings. He will go balls to the wall and deliver whatever it is he is capable of delivering.

Agreed. The guy has been going bonkers at international level for a while now. Bragin won't regret if he's keeping him.

 

[bagsw]

Lines on last practice:
Samorukov -- Rubinchik,
Denisenko -- Kravtsov -- Kostin

Alekseev -- Olshansky,
Kovalenko -- Shen -- Starkov

Morozov -- Zhuravlev,
Muranov -- Galimov -- Slepets

Kalabushkin -- Volkov,
Marchenko -- Morozov -- Podkolzin

Valitov -- Romanov,
Yaremchuk -- Khovanov -- Shashkov

Chekhovich has no linemates, he is suffering from little injury and said that he has doubts about his chances.
Nikolaev is injured.
It seems that our forwards from CHL didn't impress Bragin and it is sad, but I wouldn't be upset if Morozov's line will take part at this WJC instead of them.


P.S.
I hope that some guys with talents in cryptography will be able to understand this lines formatting

 

[vorky]

Lines on last practice:
Samorukov -- Rubinchik,
Denisenko -- Kravtsov -- Kostin

Alekseev -- Olshansky,
Kovalenko -- Shen -- Starkov

Morozov -- Zhuravlev,
Muranov -- Galimov -- Slepets

Kalabushkin -- Volkov,
Marchenko -- Morozov -- Podkolzin

Valitov -- Romanov,
Yaremchuk -- Khovanov -- Shashkov

Chekhovich has no linemates, he is suffering from little injury and said that he has doubts about his chances.
Nikolaev is injured.
It seems that our forwards from CHL didn't impress Bragin and it is sad, but I wouldn't be upset if Morozov's line will take part at this WJC instead of them.


P.S.
I hope that some guys with talents in cryptography will be able to understand this lines formatting

It is a clear signal - stay at home to develop properly.

 

[Atas2000]

It is a clear signal - stay at home to develop properly.

To paraphrase it for our NA friends: if you go to NA you have to impress on the NT(like in Russia-Canada Series).

 

[Buttermilk]

Lines on last practice:
Samorukov -- Rubinchik,
Denisenko -- Kravtsov -- Kostin

Alekseev -- Olshansky,
Kovalenko -- Shen -- Starkov

Morozov -- Zhuravlev,
Muranov -- Galimov -- Slepets

Kalabushkin -- Volkov,
Marchenko -- Morozov -- Podkolzin

Valitov -- Romanov,
Yaremchuk -- Khovanov -- Shashkov

Chekhovich has no linemates, he is suffering from little injury and said that he has doubts about his chances.
Nikolaev is injured.
It seems that our forwards from CHL didn't impress Bragin and it is sad, but I wouldn't be upset if Morozov's line will take part at this WJC instead of them.


P.S.
I hope that some guys with talents in cryptography will be able to understand this lines formatting

What u think both PPs?

 

[vorky]

To paraphrase it for our NA friends: if you go to NA you have to impress on the NT(like in Russia-Canada Series).

Yes.

They have only a few days at camp and a few games to impress. Perhaps they are scouted, but not so deeply as players from Russian leagues.

I do not know if Russian NT team cares about them during a season. As I know the Russian NT team cares so much about prospects from Russian leagues. They have all service they need.

They do not have an experience on senior level.

At the end of a day, they are not even drafted by NHL club. If they are, they still play at junior level. If stayed at home like Kuznetov etc, they would jump directly to NHL.

 

[Atas2000]

What u think both PPs?

Too early. We don't know who of the underagers will make it. Their skill(without which they wouldn't be at camp in the first place) might get them some PP time even if they are less used otherwise.

 

[Yakushev72]

Yes.

They have only a few days at camp and a few games to impress. Perhaps they are scouted, but not so deeply as players from Russian leagues.

I do not know if Russian NT team cares about them during a season. As I know the Russian NT team cares so much about prospects from Russian leagues. They have all service they need.

They do not have an experience on senior level.

At the end of a day, they are not even drafted by NHL club. If they are, they still play at junior level. If stayed at home like Kuznetov etc, they would jump directly to NHL.

That is the way it should be. Guys who elect to go the CHL should be eligible for consideration for the NT, but only when they clearly prove their superiority over Russia-based players. All ties should go to the kids who play in Russia. To my knowledge, Russian kids in the CHL who play in the Canada-Russia series do so at the direction of their CHL team, since the league negotiates with the RHF on the terms of participation. The kids don't participate voluntarily, and many kids may not care about playing on the NT. Other kids may believe that it is valuable for their draft status to show that they can compete with the best on an international stage. To each his own. Bragin and other coaches are employees of the RHF, and the interests of the Russian Federation must obviously come first.

 

[hangman005]

If someone is able to please @ the final cuts/roster when it's available it would be greatly appreciated.

I currently have.

Russia
Preliminary

Spoiler: Russia Roster

Goaltenders:
Pyotr Kochetkov (G)
Amir Miftakhov (G)
Daniil Tarasov (G)

Defensemen:
Alexander Alexeyev (D)
Yevgeni Kalabushkin (D/F)
Makar Khabarov (D)
Anton Malyshev (D)
Ilya Morozov (D)
Saveli Olshansky (D/F)
Alexander Romanov (D)
Mark Rubinchik (D)
Dmitri Samorukov (D)
Daniil Valitov (D)
Artyom Volkov (D)
Danila Zhuravlyov (D)

Forwards:
Ivan Chekhovich (LW)
Grigori Denisenko (LW)
Artyom Galimov (F)
Yevgeni Kanitsky (F)
Alexander Khovanov (C)
Klim Kostin (C/W)
Nikolai Kovalenko (RW)
Vitali Kravtsov (RW)
Kirill Marchenko (RW/LW)
Ivan D. Morozov (C)
Ivan Muranov (W)
Artyom Nikolayev (F)
Nikita Shashkov (F)
Pavel Shen (C)
Kirill Slepets (RW)
Stepan Starkov (F)
Vladislav Tsitsyura (F)
Alexander Yaremchuk (F)

Scratched:

 

[greasysnapper]

Can't see Chekhovich getting cut unless he's too banged up to go. Which means I'd reckon they'd cut one of those LW's, and you have to again look at Kovalenko or Yaremchuk. Pretty certain Nikolayev is gone.

 

[yianik]

Good points! The Soviet hockey coaches used science and physiology to their benefit more so than any coaches in any sport that I am aware of, except maybe cross country skiing. There was a heavy emphasis on muscle memory, and they helped to pioneer those techniques in team sport. Unfortunately, these Russian kids don't have the benefit of Soviet training principles and techniques. If they did, they would produce more Golds and fewer Bronze medals.

I remember reading that in the old Soviet system children did not play games until the age of 12, until then it was constant practice to develop skills.

I find this must be an exaggeration as such a regime would become tedious for children, but perhaps it was meant to highlight the emphasis on skill development.

 

[Yakushev72]

I remember reading that in the old Soviet system children did not play games until the age of 12, until then it was constant practice to develop skills.

I find this must be an exaggeration as such a regime would become tedious for children, but perhaps it was meant to highlight the emphasis on skill development.

If you watch an ESPN 30 on 30 documentary called "Of Miracles and Men," Tarasov, the "Father of Soviet Hockey," organized hockey practice for young kids around themes of play and fun. He made it fun. For the senior players on the national team, practices were so brutal, especially dry land practices in the off-season, that Tretiak said "We nearly *issed blood!" And yet they loved him, and praised him at great lengths. Tikhonov, not so much! There seemed to be as much hatred for Tikhonov as there was love for Tarasov. But they all agreed that Tikhonov's scientific foundations for training were highly advanced and gave them a competitive advantage.

 

[Evgeny Oliker]

When will the final Russian roster be announced?

Thanks.

 

[Atas2000]

If you watch an ESPN 30 on 30 documentary called "Of Miracles and Men," Tarasov, the "Father of Soviet Hockey," organized hockey practice for young kids around themes of play and fun. He made it fun. For the senior players on the national team, practices were so brutal, especially dry land practices in the off-season, that Tretiak said "We nearly *issed blood!" And yet they loved him, and praised him at great lengths. Tikhonov, not so much! There seemed to be as much hatred for Tikhonov as there was love for Tarasov. But they all agreed that Tikhonov's scientific foundations for training were highly advanced and gave them a competitive advantage.

Chernyshev is much more the father of soviet hockey.

The hatred for Tikhonov is a lie. Two guys had a conflict with him going. That's two guys. Both amazing players. Both not so amazing persons. No person ever is loved by everyone. The "hatred" is the narrative spread during the hateful 90s by people who painted everything soviet black. Of course those two persons did their part too especially in spreading that narrative in NA.

 

[vorky]

Chernyshev is much more the father of soviet hockey.

The hatred for Tikhonov is a lie. Two guys had a conflict with him going. That's two guys. Both amazing players. Both not so amazing persons. No person ever is loved by everyone. The "hatred" is the narrative spread during the hateful 90s by people who painted everything soviet black. Of course those two persons did their part too especially in spreading that narrative in NA.

Larionov and?

Larionov has been doing all in his power to destroy Russian hockey.

 

[Passionis]

I remember reading that in the old Soviet system children did not play games until the age of 12, until then it was constant practice to develop skills.

I find this must be an exaggeration as such a regime would become tedious for children, but perhaps it was meant to highlight the emphasis on skill development.

Nope, I was part of Soviet basketball system late 80's and we almost never played, just practice, practice practice. There would be endless drills, and we loved them because you competed with your peers- such as team races, suicides, little games. It was very well designed and always fun. I'm sure hockey was very similar.

The idea was you go to a club and its just scheduled practice sessions, say 3 times a week (twice a day in the summer). There wasn't a league, at best you would have inter-city tournaments. Eventually you'd finish sports school the graduate to a 2nd team or if you're good enough - top leagues.

Back on topic though, apparently just 1 position left in question for Bragin, should be getting final roster soon. I bet it's Chekhovich's injury

 

[yianik]

Nope, I was part of Soviet basketball system late 80's and we almost never played, just practice, practice practice. There would be endless drills, and we loved them because you competed with your peers- such as team races, suicides, little games. It was very well designed and always fun. I'm sure hockey was very similar.

The idea was you go to a club and its just scheduled practice sessions, say 3 times a week (twice a day in the summer). There wasn't a league, at best you would have inter-city tournaments. Eventually you'd finish sports school the graduate to a 2nd team or if you're good enough - top leagues.

Back on topic though, apparently just 1 position left in question for Bragin, should be getting final roster soon. I bet it's Chekhovich's injury

Well there you go, very interesting. I agree, likely hockey would have been the same in terms of philosophy , and as I said, I remember reading exactly that. Quite successful so why not ?

 

[Zine]

Can't see Chekhovich getting cut unless he's too banged up to go. Which means I'd reckon they'd cut one of those LW's, and you have to again look at Kovalenko or Yaremchuk. Pretty certain Nikolayev is gone.

Kovalenko is a lock.

According to Bragin, other than the 13th forward, the roster has been determined. The forwards who played v Swiss will make the roster, imo.
I’d guess Bragin is waiting on the fitness of Chekhovich. If he’s not fit, Khovanov or Yaremchuk will likely get the final spot.

 

[yianik]

When we look at Romanovs stats line from the KHL it looks like he will bit be capable of producing offence in the NHL.

Then you consider what an accomplishment it is for him as an 18 year old to be playing in the KHL at all. My thoughts are it is most important for him to gain the trust of his coach and so his focus must be on good defensive play, and offensive production is not a concern.

Anyone have tboughts on his offensive capabilities and thoughts on his NHL ceiling ?

 

[greasysnapper]

When we look at Romanovs stats line from the KHL it looks like he will bit be capable of producing offence in the NHL.

Then you consider what an accomplishment it is for him as an 18 year old to be playing in the KHL at all. My thoughts are it is most important for him to gain the trust of his coach and so his focus must be on good defensive play, and offensive production is not a concern.

Anyone have tboughts on his offensive capabilities and thoughts on his NHL ceiling ?

I don't know if his offense will be high level at the NHL level, but I think 2nd pairing is a good projection if he can continue to progress.

 

[Yakushev72]

Chernyshev is much more the father of soviet hockey.

The hatred for Tikhonov is a lie. Two guys had a conflict with him going. That's two guys. Both amazing players. Both not so amazing persons. No person ever is loved by everyone. The "hatred" is the narrative spread during the hateful 90s by people who painted everything soviet black. Of course those two persons did their part too especially in spreading that narrative in NA.

Often times, you read only half the post so you don't understand what was being said. I quoted an ESPN documentary in which a number of guys from the Soviet era were interviewed on camera, including Tretiak, Petrov, Mikhailov, Yakushev, Fetisov, Kasatonov, Makarov, Larionov, and several Soviet era journalists, including Vsevolod Kukushkin. All of them spoke negatively about Tikhonov as a human being, and painted a negative contrast with Tarasov. At the same time, they praised Tikhonov as an innovator who used advanced techniques to improve Soviet hockey. I thought Tikhonov was one of the greatest coaches of all time in hockey, but over time, his players became exhausted with his methods and stop trying to excel and basically quit on him. That is a coach's fault. The coach is supposed to find ways to motivate the team. If he cannot, then he must be replaced!

Chernyshev was truly a great coach and deserves credit for helping to create Soviet hockey, but I completely reject the claim that he was the "REAL" founder of Soviet hockey. He was a quiet guy who sat in the background in his knit cap while the forceful personality of Tarasov built a great machine!

 

[Kshahdoo]

Larionov and?

Larionov has been doing all in his power to destroy Russian hockey.

And probably Fetisov. But Makarov actually despised Tikhonov as well. On the other hand, Bure has never said anything bad about Tikhonov. Of course, he didn't play for very long under him.

 

[yianik]

This talk of Tikhonov.

Scotty Bowman is arguably the greatest coach in NHL history, having coached 3 different teams to championships, a feat not done by anyone else in any major North American sport, and having been a part of 14 Stanley Cups.

A brilliant tactician and motivator. He was not a players coach but excelled at motivating players. One of his players, Steve Shutt said.." You hated him 364 days of the year and on the 365th day you picked up your Stanley Cup ring."

There are coaches whose hard tactics work for a year or two, then that is it. Coaches like Tikhonov and Bowman were consistent winners. Like it or not, these coaches played a key role in the success of their teams. So in hindsight , whinning players can F Off.

 

[Harbessix]

When do we find out if Chekhovich is good to go or not? Have the final cuts been released?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

When do we find out if Chekhovich is good to go or not? Have the final cuts been released?

They haven’t released the roster yet.