WJC: Russia 2019 Roster Talk | Mod Note in OP

[Cskavars]

Can somebody answer?

And somebody know USA match lineups?

i would think tarasov

 

[Atas2000]

Can somebody answer?

And somebody know USA match lineups?

No certain starter yet. It's pretty even between Kochetkov and Tarasov.

 

[canadiensnation]

Was at the game tonight and noticed Romanov didn’t play the 2nd and 3rd period. Anyone know what happened?

He got injured in a KHL game before the tournament so they were just taking extra precaution with him. Reaction after losing to USA U20 in a friendly match

 

[Yakushev72]

While I agree about Shen I have to say you are too negative about this roster in general. Kravtsov and Kostin might easily become tournament's standouts as well as Alexeev. As for leadership Shen is exactly the guy to lead it seems. He captained the team for a reason on numerous occasions. He seems to be that Bragin type of guy even if he isnot up there with talent.

It seems to me, based on what I have seen, this team should be a strong contender for a Bronze Medal. To advance to a Gold or Silver, they will have to beat the Czechs, Canada, and likely Sweden or the United States. Based on their performance in pre-tournament games (please spare me the lecture on the difference between pre-tournament and tournament games!), they haven't clearly shown the ability to do that yet. Kostin was there last year, and was fairly ineffectual in big games. What has changed this year? Kravtsov had a hot streak in the KHL late last year, but he was judged to be not good enough to make the team last year. I remain skeptical until someone proves my skepticism is misplaced.

 

[Passionis]

It seems to me, based on what I have seen, this team should be a strong contender for a Bronze Medal. To advance to a Gold or Silver, they will have to beat the Czechs, Canada, and likely Sweden or the United States. Based on their performance in pre-tournament games (please spare me the lecture on the difference between pre-tournament and tournament games!), they haven't clearly shown the ability to do that yet. Kostin was there last year, and was fairly ineffectual in big games. What has changed this year? Kravtsov had a hot streak in the KHL late last year, but he was judged to be not good enough to make the team last year. I remain skeptical until someone proves my skepticism is misplaced.

There are concerns of course but this is a very capable squad if you really look at their experience. No other team has so many guys with pro hockey under their belt and some of them have impressed.

Don't forget that Russia traditionally is under heavy training loads since early December which is an old soviet system of peaking late in playoffs..

 

[Yakushev72]

There are concerns of course but this is a very capable squad if you really look at their experience. No other team has so many guys with pro hockey under their belt and some of them have impressed.

Don't forget that Russia traditionally is under heavy training loads since early December which is an old soviet system of peaking late in playoffs..

I hope that Russia wins Gold, but the fact is that if you mean KHL experience when you say "pro hockey under their belt," there are usually several players every year who have KHL experience, last year included.

One of the hallmarks of the Soviet era was that players were never allowed to slow-pedal it in competition. Even in exhibition games, players who slow-pedaled it were quickly replaced. No championship-level teams tolerate losing under any circumstances. Soviet-era coaches were dependent on winning to keep their jobs, and as a result never permitted less than all-out effort, even against inferior opponents. For those reasons, pre-tournament games should give a good picture of what a team has. Why would Sweden or the United States decide to try to win, while the Russians permitted slow-pedaling it?

 

[Passionis]

I hope that Russia wins Gold, but the fact is that if you mean KHL experience when you say "pro hockey under their belt," there are usually several players every year who have KHL experience, last year included.

One of the hallmarks of the Soviet era was that players were never allowed to slow-pedal it in competition. Even in exhibition games, players who slow-pedaled it were quickly replaced. No championship-level teams tolerate losing under any circumstances. Soviet-era coaches were dependent on winning to keep their jobs, and as a result never permitted less than all-out effort, even against inferior opponents. For those reasons, pre-tournament games should give a good picture of what a team has. Why would Sweden or the United States decide to try to win, while the Russians permitted slow-pedaling it?

I completely agree, not making any excuses - they should not be 'slow pedaling' and should have a win all mentality. Which should start all the way from Tretiak, instead of saying we should win 'medals' he should be saying we must win gold.

What I meant to say was, and I've noticed this over the years - most other teams peak physically at the beginning of the competition, whereas Russia and Soviet Union from the games a I remember were going through very heavy training regimes up until last 3 days before tournament. I remember reading about this in Fetisov's going all the way to Tarasov and Tikhonov days, the micro cycle from Olympics is still practice today.

This explains 4 gold medal games in the last 7 years and most of those years Russia looked like an underdog to Western experts.

 

[Caser]

btw, I've read that Bragin confirmed that he is going with 7D+13FW this time.

 

[Yakushev72]

I completely agree, not making any excuses - they should not be 'slow pedaling' and should have a win all mentality. Which should start all the way from Tretiak, instead of saying we should win 'medals' he should be saying we must win gold.

What I meant to say was, and I've noticed this over the years - most other teams peak physically at the beginning of the competition, whereas Russia and Soviet Union from the games a I remember were going through very heavy training regimes up until last 3 days before tournament. I remember reading about this in Fetisov's going all the way to Tarasov and Tikhonov days, the micro cycle from Olympics is still practice today.

This explains 4 gold medal games in the last 7 years and most of those years Russia looked like an underdog to Western experts.

Good points! The Soviet hockey coaches used science and physiology to their benefit more so than any coaches in any sport that I am aware of, except maybe cross country skiing. There was a heavy emphasis on muscle memory, and they helped to pioneer those techniques in team sport. Unfortunately, these Russian kids don't have the benefit of Soviet training principles and techniques. If they did, they would produce more Golds and fewer Bronze medals.

 

[wings5]

Good points! The Soviet hockey coaches used science and physiology to their benefit more so than any coaches in any sport that I am aware of, except maybe cross country skiing. There was a heavy emphasis on muscle memory, and they helped to pioneer those techniques in team sport. Unfortunately, these Russian kids don't have the benefit of Soviet training principles and techniques. If they did, they would produce more Golds and fewer Bronze medals.

The ones who were exposed to the Soviet methods are still around so they can still influence this generation with their methods and knowledge. Especially if they became coaches.

 

[Passionis]

Good points! The Soviet hockey coaches used science and physiology to their benefit more so than any coaches in any sport that I am aware of, except maybe cross country skiing. There was a heavy emphasis on muscle memory, and they helped to pioneer those techniques in team sport. Unfortunately, these Russian kids don't have the benefit of Soviet training principles and techniques. If they did, they would produce more Golds and fewer Bronze medals.

I think the high level hockey in russia is still very much like soviet... They still get together before others and prepare hard.. The problem is at low level children hockey

 

[Yakushev72]

The ones who were exposed to the Soviet methods are still around so they can still influence this generation with their methods and knowledge. Especially if they became coaches.

It takes a lot more than just exposure to bring about the level of execution that allowed Soviet teams to skate rings around the opposition. It requires intensive training for 10 months or more a year, somewhere between 1,500 to 1,600 hours of practice per season. There is no will or interest in Russia to create national teams along the old lines. Also, nearly all of the best players are playing in North America, which would require total investment in second-rate talent. To be honest, no one really cares. To create something beyond the mediocrity we see for the most part now would require a huge investment in building rinks, training coaches and all the other foundational elements of success. No one in a position of influence in Russia gives enough of a crap to invest in the effort. The way things are now is satisfactory for them, which is why no major changes are forthcoming.

 

[wings5]

It takes a lot more than just exposure to bring about the level of execution that allowed Soviet teams to skate rings around the opposition. It requires intensive training for 10 months or more a year, somewhere between 1,500 to 1,600 hours of practice per season. There is no will or interest in Russia to create national teams along the old lines. Also, nearly all of the best players are playing in North America, which would require total investment in second-rate talent. To be honest, no one really cares. To create something beyond the mediocrity we see for the most part now would require a huge investment in building rinks, training coaches and all the other foundational elements of success. No one in a position of influence in Russia gives enough of a crap to invest in the effort. The way things are now is satisfactory for them, which is why no major changes are forthcoming.

I don't think they were too far off with the u18 team project a few years ago. Too bad that fell through.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Cuts? Practice lines? Anything?

 

[JiricekSaveUs]

Unfortunately, he didn't light a fire, because Russia finished 3rd, but he is in fact a brilliant offensive talent.

Hehe go wild

 

[vorky]

Cuts? Practice lines? Anything?

Chekhovich out

 

[Caser]

Chekhovich out

Not officially though, but it has been reported that he has a back injury and might be out.

 

[vorky]

Not officially though, but it has been reported that he has a back injury and might be out.

exactly

 

[Passionis]

Rumours are that there is also conflict between Bragin and Chekhovich

apparently Chekhovich was told to lift weights by coaches when he wasn't supposed to causing the injury..

Just rumours from allhockey.ru comment section, no idea if its true

 

[tade]

What kind of role do you guys expect for Vasili Podkolzin this year? Do you think he's going to get some PP time, or is he going to play regularly at all?

Thanks.

 

[Caser]

Rumours are that there is also conflict between Bragin and Chekhovich

apparently Chekhovich was told to lift weights by coaches when he wasn't supposed to causing the injury..

Just rumours from allhockey.ru comment section, no idea if its true

Went there and checked those and didn't see any potential insider info there, they are just discussing interview in sport-express, where Chekhovich tells in a kind of a confusing way that he didn't tell coaches that he shouldn't work with weights.

 

[Passionis]

Went there and checked those and didn't see any potential insider info there, they are just discussing interview in sport-express, where Chekhovich tells in a kind of a confusing way that he didn't tell coaches that he shouldn't work with weights.

Ye, always take sportexpress with a grain of salt

 

[Atas2000]

What kind of role do you guys expect for Vasili Podkolzin this year? Do you think he's going to get some PP time, or is he going to play regularly at all?

Thanks.

I don't expect him to make the roster in the first place unless there are injuries. If Chekhovich is out though there might be his spot.

 

[Passionis]

What kind of role do you guys expect for Vasili Podkolzin this year? Do you think he's going to get some PP time, or is he going to play regularly at all?

Thanks.

I think similar to what Yakupov had in 2012.. secondary scoring, secondary on PP

 

[Yakushev72]

What kind of role do you guys expect for Vasili Podkolzin this year? Do you think he's going to get some PP time, or is he going to play regularly at all?

Thanks.

He is a passionate and hard-driven player who loves to show what he can do. What can he do? He can deliver offense. In that respect, he reminds me a lot of Aleksei Kovalev. If he is allowed to play in the WJC, it will be a level above what he is accustomed to, but I feel certain that he would literally seize the opportunity on a world stage with all the attention it brings. He will go balls to the wall and deliver whatever it is he is capable of delivering.