Run it back? Poll

[CapspaceKiller]

Re-sign Matthews, keep one of the star wingers and get rid of Keefe.

Tavares is the one to move, but its impossible.

A wishlist player would be a top 4 defenceman that can skate with the puck, but who knows if ones available.

 

[Duffman955]

Keep Dubas

Whole coaching staff change

Whatever roster changes needed. Dubas has to have a big offseason

 

[All Mod Cons]

You have AM, MM, WN, and JT taking up masssive minutes
None of them play a physical game
Maurice said a few times, the Bruins were a much more physical opponent
ROR said they didn't play a physical game enough
Muzzin has said it for years

Dubas is getting it just now

Imagine hiring one of about a dozen Canadian guys in their 30s that couldn't tell you what a successful playoff team looks like. How is that even possible?

Did Kyle watch hockey? He must have. How did he get it so wrong?

 

[nuck]

First step is Shanny fires himself. The problem is at the top and what's below doesn't get better until the leader understands what really makes a winner. He still looks at things like player and wants to follow more than to lead.

 

[93gilmour93]

What if the returns on trading a player is clearly a lost trade? Do the leafs just trade for the sake of trade and make the team worse or if it’s not an improvement keep the core?

 

[tmlms13]

Why Pridham?

He is only there to be capologist. I doubt he does any trade, contract negotiations or any scouting.

 

[All Mod Cons]

What if the returns on trading a player is clearly a lost trade? Do the leafs just trade for the sake of trade and make the team worse or if it’s not an improvement keep the core?

What if we run it back again for the 6th time and this time things magically change because we signed the right 4th liner winger?

 

[93gilmour93]

What if we run it back again for the 6th time and this time things magically change because we signed the right 4th liner winger?

I’m just saying if we wanted say a Top 4 D but no team is offering one that fits? Do we want another bad Kadri deal. What would you want in return for say Nylander?

 

[ToneDog]

What if we run it back again for the 6th time and this time things magically change because we signed the right 4th liner winger?

Another banner and a statue for Dubas. First GM on legends row.

 

[Fogelhund]

Keefe is gone
At least one of the big four is gone.
Murray is gone...
Schenn is extended

Dubas will end up staying.
Nylander and Tavares at minimum will be here.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I’m just saying if we wanted say a Top 4 D but no team is offering one that fits? Do we want another bad Kadri deal. What would you want in return for say Nylander?

In situations like this, it's important to work with what you know. You have no control over what you don't know.

What do we know? Well, we know that we cannot win the Cup with 4 forwards taking so much of the cap. Hell, even Edmonton are struggling to do it with McDavid.

So firstly, we have to make sure we don't have that much cap tied into 4 forwards. Moving Nylander is asinine as it doesn't really change anything cap wise, and it still keeps 3 x 11 mil players on the roster that cannot produce enough in the playoffs.

So which of the 3 (Matthews, Marner and Tavares) are you able to still compete if you get pennies on the dollar?

Tavares. Tavares is the answer. He has to be the first to be moved. You have to convince him to waive his NMC. It's happened regularly over the years. In fact, I can't think of many examples where a player just refuses to waive their NMC.

Then the hard work begins. You have to, HAVE to, work out a deal with a team he'll go to. It won't be pretty, we might have to take a step back for a year, but it's the only way to keep Matthews, Marner and Nylander. Then, you could get full value for Marner once you're not absolutely cap f***ed.

 

[nsleaf]

Keefe gone, that's about it.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

In situations like this, it's important to work with what you know. You have no control over what you don't know.

What do we know? Well, we know that we cannot win the Cup with 4 forwards taking so much of the cap. Hell, even Edmonton are struggling to do it with McDavid.

So firstly, we have to make sure we don't have that much cap tied into 4 forwards. Moving Nylander is asinine as it doesn't really change anything cap wise, and it still keeps 3 x 11 mil players on the roster that cannot produce enough in the playoffs.

So which of the 3 (Matthews, Marner and Tavares) are you able to still compete if you get pennies on the dollar?

Tavares. Tavares is the answer. He has to be the first to be moved. You have to convince him to waive his NMC. It's happened regularly over the years. In fact, I can't think of many examples where a player just refuses to waive their NMC.

Then the hard work begins. You have to, HAVE to, work out a deal with a team he'll go to. It won't be pretty, we might have to take a step back for a year, but it's the only way to keep Matthews, Marner and Nylander. Then, you could get full value for Marner once you're not absolutely cap f***ed.

Do you think we'd hear about them? I expect most often that would kept in house. I think it's different if a player opts out of going through a rebuild or is on an expiring contract and chooses to chase a cup rather than play out the last couple months of a contract for a team with no hope of making the playoffs.

 

[GrizzGreen]

Bye Keefe.

Gerard Gallant, COME ON DOWN

Quenneville works too

 

[93gilmour93]

In situations like this, it's important to work with what you know. You have no control over what you don't know.

What do we know? Well, we know that we cannot win the Cup with 4 forwards taking so much of the cap. Hell, even Edmonton are struggling to do it with McDavid.

So firstly, we have to make sure we don't have that much cap tied into 4 forwards. Moving Nylander is asinine as it doesn't really change anything cap wise, and it still keeps 3 x 11 mil players on the roster that cannot produce enough in the playoffs.

So which of the 3 (Matthews, Marner and Tavares) are you able to still compete if you get pennies on the dollar?

Tavares. Tavares is the answer. He has to be the first to be moved. You have to convince him to waive his NMC. It's happened regularly over the years. In fact, I can't think of many examples where a player just refuses to waive their NMC.

Then the hard work begins. You have to, HAVE to, work out a deal with a team he'll go to. It won't be pretty, we might have to take a step back for a year, but it's the only way to keep Matthews, Marner and

A year from now Willy will cost 9-10 million a season so then it’s back to the same spot. I agree 100% Tavares is the one who needs to go in this but that would take some magic to get him to waive

 

[All Mod Cons]

Do you think we'd hear about them? I expect most often that would kept in house. I think it's different if a player opts out of going through a rebuild or is on an expiring contract and chooses to chase a cup rather than play out the last couple months of a contract for a team with no hope of making the playoffs.

Yeah I do. In the same way the player would lean on the agent, I think teams would lean on an "insider". If you want someone to waive their NMC you obviously want them gone. I think a little nudge to an "insider" with a bit of vague information probably helps pressurize the player.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Why #1 if they keep losing for the same reason!?

Believe me: I don't like Dubas.

If you believe that having Dubas around means no changes, then you have a point.

I think Ferraro has him come back with caveat: move 1 or 2 of the "core 4".

 

[All Mod Cons]

A year from now Willy will cost 9-10 million a season so then it’s back to the same spot. I agree 100% Tavares is the one who needs to go in this but that would take some magic to get him to waive

I think it can be done. Go play somewhere where you're not the captain dealing with the disappointment year after year. Actually, to be honest, we're going to give the captaincy to Morgan. But can hold off announcing it if you're game to move on.

Also, we forgot to mention we have a gig for you once you retire. You can do some scouting or player development or special assistant to the GM (whatever the f*** that is).

 

[All Mod Cons]

Believe me: I don't like Dubas.

If you believe that having Dubas around means no changes, then you have a point.

I think Ferraro has him come back with caveat: move 1 or 2 of the "core 4".

You can't say that to the GM though. Otherwise, what's the point of him being GM. When do you stop giving the GM a step-by-step guide on what needs doing?

Do we tell the GM we have to sign a specific guy? Do we tell him that he can't draft a certain type of player? Do we tell him how many games our goalies can play?

Why have Dubas, if you have to tell him how to do his job?

 

[ClarkSittler]

Shanahan-Fired
Dubas- Fired
Keefe-Fired

Tavares traded at all costs. One of the worst contracts in the league.
Marner traded ASAP. Regular season hero who is practically invisible in the playoffs.

Keep Matthews and Nylander. Give the C to Morgan or Auston. Need two top 4 defencemen with size and at least a wee bit of grit. Need a Wheeler, Benn, Tkachuk, Bennet, Wilson, Domi type of winger that can play on the top 2 lines.

This has gone on far too long:

 

[PROUD PAPA]

You can't say that to the GM though. Otherwise, what's the point of him being GM. When do you stop giving the GM a step-by-step guide on what needs doing?

Do we tell the GM we have to sign a specific guy? Do we tell him that he can't draft a certain type of player? Do we tell him how many games our goalies can play?

Why have Dubas, if you have to tell him how to do his job?

I don't believe they want a puppet either.

 

[Guinnes66]

After marinating on this question of where the leafs go from here ive come to the following conclusions:

Getting rid of Tavares should be priority#1. ROR is a similar player and can fill in at #2C for less than half the cost.

People keep on saying that the tavares contract is unmovable but im not so sure about that. Your telling me that a team like buffalo that has trouble attracting free agents and is desperate to make the playoffs wont want to pick up a guy like tavares to add veteran leadship to their young core? His actual salary hit is only 8M i believe and i dont think they will be hampered by his cap hit too much considering its only 2 years left. And who cares about his no movement clause. Players waive these all the time. If management asks a player to waive, why would they want to stay?

If the team cannot get rid of Tavares then i truly think the best option is to run the team back again with a different coach (perhaps one that is a bit tougher on players) just to change up things a bit.

Ive come to the realization that hockey involves a great deal more luck than fans are willing to acknowledge. The regular season standings are quite predictable given the large sample size but when it comes to playoffs the samples sizes are just to small to not be heavily affected by random luck, voodoo goalie performances, questionable officiating, injuries, etc. Otherwise how can you really explain florida beating boston and toronto when they have assembled a team with very little depth, inconsistent goalie, poor penalty killing, and poor defense? People love to point fingers at toronto's star players but for some reason fail to point their magnifying glass at other teams that advance. The media was raving about tkachuk but he ended up with only 1 goal in the toronto series and other than game 1 was mostly invisible. Similar with Barkov - he had no goals in the series and yet they still advanced.

The only thing you can really do as a GM is assemble as much talent you can at all positions and get as many kicks to the can as you can get. It would be nice if we got more contribution from the core 4 but we see teams advance all the time with little contribution from their star players and rely heavily on some bounces here and there to advance. Unfortuntely in a cap world, parity means that luck has a much larger contribution than the old days.

 

[ACC1224]

After marinating on this question of where the leafs go from here ive come to the following conclusions:

Getting rid of Tavares should be priority#1. ROR is a similar player and can fill in at #2C for less than half the cost.

People keep on saying that the tavares contract is unmovable but im not so sure about that. Your telling me that a team like buffalo that has trouble attracting free agents and is desperate to make the playoffs wont want to pick up a guy like tavares to add veteran leadship to their young core? His actual salary hit is only 8M i believe and i dont think they will be hampered by his cap hit too much considering its only 2 years left. And who cares about his no movement clause. Players waive these all the time. If management asks a player to waive, why would they want to stay?

If the team cannot get rid of Tavares then i truly think the best option is to run the team back again with a different coach (perhaps one that is a bit tougher on players) just to change up things a bit.

Ive come to the realization that hockey involves a great deal more luck than fans are willing to acknowledge. The regular season standings are quite predictable given the large sample size but when it comes to playoffs the samples sizes are just to small to not be heavily affected by random luck, voodoo goalie performances, questionable officiating, injuries, etc. Otherwise how can you really explain florida beating boston and toronto when they have assembled a team with very little depth, inconsistent goalie, poor penalty killing, and poor defense? People love to point fingers at toronto's star players but for some reason fail to point their magnifying glass at other teams that advance. The media was raving about tkachuk but he ended up with only 1 goal in the toronto series and other than game 1 was mostly invisible. Similar with Barkov - he had no goals in the series and yet they still advanced.

The only thing you can really do as a GM is assemble as much talent you can at all positions and get as many kicks to the can as you can get. It would be nice if we got more contribution from the core 4 but we see teams advance all the time with little contribution from their star players and rely heavily on some bounces here and there to advance. Unfortuntely in a cap world, parity means that luck has a much larger contribution than the old days.

Tavares = NMC

 

[Ianturnedbull]

You can't say that to the GM though. Otherwise, what's the point of him being GM. When do you stop giving the GM a step-by-step guide on what needs doing?

Do we tell the GM we have to sign a specific guy? Do we tell him that he can't draft a certain type of player? Do we tell him how many games our goalies can play?

Why have Dubas, if you have to tell him how to do his job?

What? Ferraro is not the team president telling Dubas what to do.

 

[Menzinger]

I don't think you can approach the offseason as simplistically as the poll sort of suggests I'm against any immediate reactionary moves just to shake things up. Whatever happens, needs to have a plan behind it.

I'm fine with a coaching change. I'm fine with changing up every single support player among the forwards and defenseman, I'd even potentially considered trading Brodie.

Matthews needs to be given priority for an extension. Considering he's the most difficult to replace given his position. I think you can consider trading one of Nylander or Marner, but only if the return matches whatever plan is in place. Otherwise you can basically wait 2 years and then Tavares is gone or at least extended at at an immensely small contract