Run it back? Poll

[egd27]

This is weird thinking. Not sure why everyone is obsessed with player and administrative pacts right now. I doubt any agents would pull that sort of nonsense.

Just a hypothetical

 

[horner]

We have the goaltending
Sammy 4 mil
Woll .9 mil
Murry trade our buyout

Defence
Rielly
Lilly
Schenn 2 mil
Orlov 6 mil
Gudas 3.5 mil or Soucy 3.5 mil
Timmins
Gio

Maybe we get a young top d prospect in the trades we make

But build the defence

Yes don't roll it back

 

[Guinnes66]

Marleau made it public that he wanted to leave. Even put his house up for sale during his second season here.

I wasnt referring to marleau waiving his NMC with toronto, although that is indeed another example of a player choosing to waive thier NMC. I said San Jose. In 2015, both marleau and joe thornton were asked if they would be willing to waive their NMC and said they would but only if the team requested it. The GM Doug Wilson stated he would refuse to ask any player to waive their NMC as he wanted to honour the deals he gave out so in the end neither player was traded.

The 2015 sharks are pretty similar to the leafs today in terms of playoff failures and i suspect that dubas would be similarly relunctant to ask tavares to waive his NMC given that he was the one that gave it to him but i certainly think if the request was made, tavares would consider it. And if a new GM came in to replace dubas i think the odds would be even greater that tavares would be approached as the loyalty factor would not be there.

Some other examples of players waiving their NMC's:
- Our very own Jake McCabe waived his NMC to come to toronto if people already forgot about that
- Erik Karlsson at this years trade deadline was ok to waive his for certain teams
- jeff skinner
- denis Wideman

Im sure theres plenty more but havent been able to find a list of any kind. Of course some players have refused to waive their NMC. Dion Phaneuf was asked to waive his by ottawa but refused. Brent Seabrook, Keith Yandle also refused. But clearly we can see that some players accept, some refuse so nobody should be so confident in saying with certainty what Tavares would do if asked.

 

[GoonieFace]

Did they return home to their childhood team to raise their family?

I’m not sure I buy this. He got paid handsomely, this was just a convenient excuse

 

[ACC1224]

I’m not sure I buy this. He got paid handsomely, this was just a convenient excuse

If you believe no one else would have paid him.

Topic wasn't why he came though, it's why he wouldn't waive to leave.

 

[GoonieFace]

If you believe no one else would have paid him.

Topic wasn't why he came though, it's why he wouldn't waive to leave.

My bad. I think we are stuck with Methusala till the end

 

[ACC1224]

My bad. I think we are stuck with Methusala till the end

99.9% agree, just a few that think he would waive.

 

[mjd1001]

The more i read the more i think we should run it back and let dubas make some minor roster changes and potentially a coaching change. Pierre LeBrun made a good point on overdrive. Joe Sakic didn't make the playoffs for 5 years, along with a few other big names like lemiuexe kariya nor making the playoffs much in their first few years. There might be something to be said for letting the team gel and grow together and just make supplementary moves, and possibly a coaching change. I think dubas has to stay.

If you want to win the cup in the next 2-3 seasons I think that might be the way to go.

This core, while not exactly performing well, is positioned well. Tavares isn't 'too old' and the rest of the guys are just entering their prime. Even on the back end, what you do have their is at the correct age. The additions, even around the edge are critical, but it can work.

On the other hand, I want to see the core broken up, simply because I'm ready for a change. I don't find this 'core' all that likeable, that is a personal thing for me.

 

[Trapper]

I don’t even know where we stand on running back or changing the core.
We know what Dubas said about trading someone.
If Dubas isn’t back, what happens?
Is it Pridham running it back? How much power does he get to do this stuff?

 

[ToneDog]

I don’t even know where we stand on running back or changing the core.
We know what Dubas said about trading someone.
If Dubas isn’t back, what happens?
Is it Pridham running it back? How much power does he get to do this stuff?

5 days since losing to Florida and crickets from the Leafs brain trust. You think they would have made plans already based on all potential outcomes of the Florida series and started acting on them. Instead everybody is waiting for Shanny to talk. It is not like there is any urgency.

 

[Guinnes66]

99.9% agree, just a few that think he would waive.

No need to distort things. As i have clearly stated, the large number of players that have waived their NMC's historically, including some in similar positions to tavares, suggests the possibility that Tavares may be willing to do the same, not that he would for sure. Unlike you i dont deal in absolutes given that neither of us are in Tavares mind to know anything with 99.9% certainty. I would be onboard with your claim here if there was not so many examples to the contrary that clearly shows the possibility is closer to 50/50 rather than the 99.9% number that you are pulling out of thin air. I would agree though that if dubas remains as the GM the likelihood of the team trying to trade tavares will be very low, but as of right now we dont know if Dubas will even stay on as GM.

 

[Trapper]

5 days since losing to Florida and crickets from the Leafs brain trust. You think they would have made plans already based on all potential outcomes of the Florida series and started acting on them. Instead everybody is waiting for Shanny to talk. It is not like there is any urgency.

Lack or urgency seems to be a trait of the organization.
No wonder it carries over.

 

[Voodoo Child]

Dubas can stay but needs to cut some weight and let go of some people - players, you know who I mean.

Matthews won’t sign a reasonable extension (12.5 max) then his name gets out there but ideally I think it’s better to keep him.

Mitch is out there and light retention is available, because he’s overpaid but he’s also a 26 year old with three 90 point seasons and you don’t see too many of those available. A top ten pick or two 1sts, a great prospect and money.

Willy should get 9, maybe 9.5.

Keefe needs to go and should have been gone after last year. They need someone who can get them fully invested - because that’s the problem.

 

[ACC1224]

5 days since losing to Florida and crickets from the Leafs brain trust. You think they would have made plans already based on all potential outcomes of the Florida series and started acting on them. Instead everybody is waiting for Shanny to talk. It is not like there is any urgency.

"If you have time, use it"

IMO, there is no reason to think they aren't working on things, they don't need to make everything public.
Once the Dubas decision comes down I imagine everything will start to move quite quickly.

 

[ACC1224]

No need to distort things. As i have clearly stated, the large number of players that have waived their NMC's historically, including some in similar positions to tavares, suggests the possibility that Tavares may be willing to do the same, not that he would for sure. Unlike you i dont deal in absolutes given that neither of us are in Tavares mind to know anything with 99.9% certainty. I would be onboard with your claim here if there was not so many examples to the contrary that clearly shows the possibility is closer to 50/50 rather than the 99.9% number that you are pulling out of thin air. I would agree though that if dubas remains as the GM the likelihood of the team trying to trade tavares will be very low, but as of right now we dont know if Dubas will even stay on as GM.

There hasn't been one example of a player in his position waiving to leave.
If you believe half the fans think he will waive, that's certainly your perogative.
I've only seen a handful including you make the claim.

No one is dealing in absolutes, it's a discussion board where people offer their opinions.
Some opinions seem more obvious and shared by the greater majority is all.

 

[Trapper]

There hasn't been one example of a player in his position waiving to leave.
If you believe half the fans think he will waive, that's certainly your perogative.
I've only seen a handful including you make the claim.

No one is dealing in absolutes, it's a discussion board where people offer their opinions.
Some opinions seem more obvious and shared by he greater majority is all.

All you can do is ask JT to waive. If he says no, you can explain how other members of the core will probably be moving and if he would like to change his answer. That’s about all.

 

[ToneDog]

"If you have time, use it"

IMO, there is no reason to think they aren't working on things, they don't need to make everything public.
Once the Dubas decision comes down I imagine everything will start to move quite quickly.

Agree they are definitely working behind the scenes. I just don't remember Shanny taking this long to speak in previous years. What's different this year ?? Can't wait to hear what the guy who's been virtually invisible this year has to say.

 

[ACC1224]

All you can do is ask JT to waive. If he says no, you can explain how other members of the core will probably be moving and if he would like to change his answer. That’s about all.

I don't think they have any interest in even asking him.

Agree they are definitely working behind the scenes. I just don't remember Shanny taking this long to speak in previous years. What's different this year ?? Can't wait to hear what the guy who's been virtually invisible this year has to say.

Waiting for Dubas to decide his own fate.

 

[Da Mash]

I hope Dubas stays and if he moves up in the organization then that’s good too.

We may have some good cap room to bolster our top 9

I think Knies and McMann stick next year. They both have size and can score. Holmberg will be our 4th center.

Love to resign Acciari…and Jarnkrock is a nice player too

On D …I think we need to let Lilly play full time …Holl will be gone.

I would not waste cap dollars on OReilly unless it’s for the vet min which will not happen and he will go to highest bidder.

Resign Sammy and Woll will be our backup. Murray may end on Robidas island

Like Boston did….I think Keefer is gone …kids need a different voice and Keefer was way to stubborn playing Holl and Kerfoot

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Now that we have heard the final media availability from the core, coach, and gm, I'm curious what the concensus is on "running it back". It seems if dubas stays, keefe stays based off dubas comments.

As miffed as i am at this teams softness, I tend to trust in the oppinions of guys like Morgan reilly, who sais he doesn't want anything to change and that the team really is growing (I'm sure he didn't tell us everything though).

In my oppinion we need to do something, something that makes our team less meek. Not sure what that would be.

To me i think they will keep Shanny and replace gm and coach .. and then sign Matty, if reasonable, or trade if too more than MAC .. and then trade Mitch for 3 pieces a top 2/3D, a 2C and a 1st rounder .. and then resign ROR, Willy (if reasonable) , Schenn, Sammy and Acciari

 

[Guinnes66]

There hasn't been one example of a player in his position waiving to leave.
If you believe half the fans think he will waive, that's certainly your perogative.
I've only seen a handful including you make the claim.

No one is dealing in absolutes, it's a discussion board where people offer their opinions.
Some opinions seem more obvious and shared by he greater majority is all.

Umm how are joe thornton and Marleau willing to waive their NMC's with San Jose not similar to tavares position?

And why are you talking about what fans think? Sorry what fans think has nothing to do with whether tavares would waive his NMC or not. When i said 50/50 i am referring to the number players that accept to waive their NMC vs those that refuse - pretty simple. That is what the topic is about, not about how many fans think he would waive or not as that is IRRELEVANT. Pretty silly to be claiming that you are 99.9% sure that tavares would not waive his NMC based on fans opinions when we have available evidence that suggests oitherwise.

 

[ToneDog]

I don't think they have any interest in even asking him.


Waiting for Dubas to decide his own fate.

This team can't wait for Dubas to decide his own fate. If that were the case, I'd have given him a drop dead date to decide,

 

[Buds17]

All you can do is ask JT to waive. If he says no, you can explain how other members of the core will probably be moving and if he would like to change his answer. That’s about all.

A concrete trade has to at least be on the table prior to asking a player to waive that clause though. No point in alerting the player of what may come if it's just going to end up resulting in a false alarm.

 

[ACC1224]

Umm how are joe thornton and Marleau willing to waive their NMC's with San Jose not similar to tavares position?

And why are you talking about what fans think? Sorry what fans think has nothing to do with whether tavares would waive his NMC or not. When i said 50/50 i am referring to the number players that accept to waive their NMC vs those that refuse - pretty simple. That is what the topic is about, not about how many fans think he would waive or not as that is IRRELEVANT. Pretty silly to be claiming that you are 99.9% sure that tavares would not waive his NMC based on fans opinions when we have available evidence that suggests oitherwise.

Until we have facts all we can go on is our opinions.

If you feel Marleau born in Sask or Thornton born in London and leaving San Jose as UFA's is the same situation, that's up to you.

This team can't wait for Dubas to decide his own fate. If that were the case, I'd have given him a drop dead date to decide,

I'm sure they have agreed upon one

 

[Guinnes66]

Until we have facts all we can go on is our opinions.

If you feel Marleau born in Sask or Thornton born in London and leaving San Jose as UFA's is the same situation, that's up to you.

By your logic then, you would have been 99.9% certain that Marleau, born in Sask, would not have waived his NMC from toronto in order to go back to San jose where he had raised his family for over a decade. Weird how that one worked out huh?