Proposal: Rumours & Proposals Thread | Trade Cloned, Keep Soli | STAY AWAY CHIA

[Hemsky4pm2]

There was absolutely some concern about his playing ability as he got older. There's a reason guys his age generally don't get 7 year deals.

Chia: "That's the price you have to pay."
Logic and Reason: "Then don't pay the price!!!"

 

[Little Fury]

I mean, it just is. You’re actually going to try and pretend like people say powerforwards just suddenly stop scoring for no particular reason as they age? Everyone says it’s because of the play style, which leads to injuries, and a decline. That simply didn’t happen with Lucic.

Everyone's scoring declines as they age. I expect players who are slow or less skilled see declines faster than those who don't rely on speed or physicality, but possess sound fundamental skills. Lucic isn't fast enough to keep up with the play and isn't skilled enough to work around those limitations the way a guy like Joe Thornton can.

 

[bertty]

It is not like all Chia trades are bad in terms of value or risk/reward possibility but they are bad in context. As an example I bring Reinhart trade. Yeah we give up a lot but he was potential top pair D-man but we have Klefbom Nurse Davidson Ference Nikitin Hunt and Oestrele on left side with singing Sekera that summer. There were definitly no need to bring another LHD.

 

[Little Fury]

It is not like all Chia trades are bad in terms of value or risk/reward possibility but they are bad in context. As an example I bring Reinhart trade. Yeah we give up a lot but he was potential top pair D-man but we have Klefbom Nurse Davidson Ference Nikitin Hunt and Oestrele on left side with singing Sekera that summer. There were definitly no need to bring another LHD.

He wasn't though?

 

[Paralyzer]

It is not like all Chia trades are bad in terms of value or risk/reward possibility but they are bad in context. As an example I bring Reinhart trade. Yeah we give up a lot but he was potential top pair D-man but we have Klefbom Nurse Davidson Ference Nikitin Hunt and Oestrele on left side with singing Sekera that summer. There were definitly no need to bring another LHD.

Yeah, that I can understand. I gotta say though, the last few trades he has done I'm scratching my head at. No idea what he has been thinking.

 

[Jarvi]

It is not like all Chia trades are bad in terms of value or risk/reward possibility but they are bad in context. As an example I bring Reinhart trade. Yeah we give up a lot but he was potential top pair D-man but we have Klefbom Nurse Davidson Ference Nikitin Hunt and Oestrele on left side with singing Sekera that summer. There were definitly no need to bring another LHD.

Nearly all of his moves look bad in a vacuum, just looking at what was given/recieved. They look worse when you dig deeper, much like you said.

I just saw this last night, which may have been posted before but I wasn't aware of. Just shows that he doesn't have a clue whatsoever.

 

[space321]

As much as people love to crap on him, he does some decent deals, even though people don't seem to understand it. I mean, I remember people were good with Kassian at 1.9M for 3 years and said that would be a steal, but because he hasn't played a whole lot, people crap on Chia for signing him to that. Majority of the time, these deals looked good at some point in time, but it's up to the players to play to it's potential. Personally, the WORST signing I've seen in the last 6 years would have to be the Nikitin signing. THAT one was ridiculous.

How in the world is the nikitin deal the worst?? It was only TWO YEARS.

 

[Paralyzer]

How in the world is the nikitin deal the worst?? It was only TWO YEARS.

Because it made 0 sense and Nikitin was not a Top 4 Dman which we desperately needed back then. You can't tell me Lucic was not a Top 6 forward when we signed him. He was supposed to play Top 6 minutes. Nikitin from his past was a top 6-8 defenceman at best. In terms of money, Nikitin was worse.

 

[Crude]

One thing that is driving me nuts about the Koskinen signing is the timing. It's a signal to the entire league that we HAVE to move Talbot now, or lose him for nothing, bringing down his already low value.

 

[Sanchez]

Nearly all of his moves look bad in a vacuum, just looking at what was given/recieved. They look worse when you dig deeper, much like you said.

I just saw this last night, which may have been posted before but I wasn't aware of. Just shows that he doesn't have a clue whatsoever.

LOL just keeps getting better and better with Chia.

 

[Paralyzer]

One thing that is driving me nuts about the Koskinen signing is the timing. It's a signal to the entire league that we HAVE to move Talbot now, or lose him for nothing, bringing down his already low value.

Not necessarily true. I don't think we'd have got much for him regardless. There has been only 1 goalie trade I can think of where the team trading the goalie actually got something useful out of it, and that would be Vancouver with Schneider. Rest of them were just dumps anyways.

 

[Aerrol]

I mean, it just is. You’re actually going to try and pretend like people say powerforwards just suddenly stop scoring for no particular reason as they age? Everyone says it’s because of the play style, which leads to injuries, and a decline. That simply didn’t happen with Lucic.



No they weren’t. That’s just making things up with hindsight. And plenty of slow players are still effective

This whole argument is dumb semantics - who cares if people were concerned the later contract would be bad because of injuries, or just bad because he'd age and get bad, it's substantially the same point - but I just have to say that if you doubt that people here were upset about contract length at the time of the signing, you're wrong. They were clearly in the minority of posters at the time, but they absolutely were there:

Confirmed with Link: - LOOOOOOOOOOOCH (Oilers Sign Lucic, 7-years, $6M AAV, NMC)

"This really is an abhorrent contract. Hopeful it pays off in the short term.

Money. Term. and the NMC.

Did Chia bother to negotiate? Or did he just fold like he did with the Hall/Larsson deal."

""Ya those details made a suspect contract even worse IMO."

"I approved of the 6 million and term but A full nmc 1st 5 years hinders us if he falls of the cliff"

"Surprised you did not quote my 1st post on this. I guess you approve of a full nmc for 5 years . Is this a good thing? Chia is not a strong GM not going to stop being a fan because I think we have a moron Gm and because I am A Oiler fan does not mean I have to embrace every idiotic move he does like you do . "

"We'll get some good hockey out of Lucic, but ultimately we will regret this signing prior to his 7 year contract running out. Doesn't have the skill or hockey smarts to age gracefully, he relies very heavily on his physical attributes."

And finally, because this made me lol - @GreatKeith posted this:
"People wanted to get bigger, they got bigger.

Should we try to get smaller again?"

Suck on that, people who say all he ever did was bitch about the team's moves. He was there DEFENDING THE LUCIC SIGNING!

 

[Pointteen]

How in the world is the nikitin deal the worst?? It was only TWO YEARS.

It was pretty f***ing bad though.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

This whole argument is dumb semantics - who cares if people were concerned the later contract would be bad because of injuries, or just bad because he'd age and get bad, it's substantially the same point - but I just have to say that if you doubt that people here were upset about contract length at the time of the signing, you're wrong. They were clearly in the minority of posters at the time, but they absolutely were there:

Confirmed with Link: - LOOOOOOOOOOOCH (Oilers Sign Lucic, 7-years, $6M AAV, NMC)

"This really is an abhorrent contract. Hopeful it pays off in the short term.

Money. Term. and the NMC.

Did Chia bother to negotiate? Or did he just fold like he did with the Hall/Larsson deal."

""Ya those details made a suspect contract even worse IMO."

"I approved of the 6 million and term but A full nmc 1st 5 years hinders us if he falls of the cliff"

"Surprised you did not quote my 1st post on this. I guess you approve of a full nmc for 5 years . Is this a good thing? Chia is not a strong GM not going to stop being a fan because I think we have a moron Gm and because I am A Oiler fan does not mean I have to embrace every idiotic move he does like you do . "

"We'll get some good hockey out of Lucic, but ultimately we will regret this signing prior to his 7 year contract running out. Doesn't have the skill or hockey smarts to age gracefully, he relies very heavily on his physical attributes."

And finally, because this made me lol - @GreatKeith posted this:
"People wanted to get bigger, they got bigger.

Should we try to get smaller again?"

Suck on that, people who say all he ever did was ***** about the team's moves. He was there DEFENDING THE LUCIC SIGNING!

Mistakes were made. I did like first year Lucic at least.

 

[Aerrol]

Mistakes were made. I did like first year Lucic at least.

Haha, I didn't like the signing but I didn't think it'd be nearly this bad either. Most of this board was totally wrong about how positive the move was. Just included you because I think you take way too much crap for being 'the negative guy' and get no credit for the many times I've seen you be positive on here.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Haha, I didn't like the signing but I didn't think it'd be nearly this bad either. Most of this board was totally wrong about how positive the move was. Just included you because I think you take way too much crap for being 'the negative guy' and get no credit for the many times I've seen you be positive on here.

I think that I was excited to get the big bruising Lucic that would ensure the Oilers wouldn't be pushed around.

...And then last year they got pushed around.

 

[space321]

Because it made 0 sense and Nikitin was not a Top 4 Dman which we desperately needed back then. You can't tell me Lucic was not a Top 6 forward when we signed him. He was supposed to play Top 6 minutes. Nikitin from his past was a top 6-8 defenceman at best. In terms of money, Nikitin was worse.

Just the fact it was only two years takes it out of contention for worst contract.

 

[space321]

It was pretty ****ing bad though.

not the worst though

 

[Nostradumbass]

My God.

Chia signed all of those but Larsson

 

[oXo Cube]

The Nikitin trade/sign is comparable to the Manning trade in terms of how completely nonsensical it was.

Oilers management were the only group on planet earth who didn't think it was monumentally stupid the moment it happened.

 

[Hopelesslucicfan]

Chia signed all of those but Larsson

And not 1 deserved it.

It's like chia thinks of NTC and NMC as benefiting the club because they can't just up and leave.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

And not 1 deserved it.

It's like chia thinks of NTC and NMC as benefiting the club because they can't just up and leave.

When you couple that with the notion that those clauses tend to lower cap hit.... Hoo boy.

 

[Rin]

Those were the good old days.

Also OB with the OG straight fire avatar...

Those truly were the good old days!

 

[justafan22]

The Nikitin trade/sign is comparable to the Manning trade in terms of how completely nonsensical it was.

Oilers management were the only group on planet earth who didn't think it was monumentally stupid the moment it happened.

they gave a pick for a pending UFA JFC

 

[oXo Cube]

they gave a pick for a pending UFA JFC

For a player that was likely seriously considering KHL offers before the Oilers came knocking.

For most GMs a decision like that would be a career highlight mistake, for Chiarelli it wouldn't even be top 5 in his Oilers tenure.