McDNicks17
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I don't think he really is, but some teams will probably treat him like one.
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I don't think he really is, but some teams will probably treat him like one.
Oilhawks
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They won’t have to. It’ll be whichever of Klefbom / Nurse remains plus Bear and Jones.
For forwards I’m not sure but it’s something like this:
McDavid
Draisaitl
Nuge
Yam
(New winger from Nurse / Klef trade)
Archibald / Benson?
(New 3C?)
Unless I’m missing something obvious (haven’t had my coffee yet), they’d struggle to find 7 forwards they’d worry to protect.
Haha obviously I’m not worried about sounding like a madman
But yeah, I think of how Bear didn’t look like a lot to most the last couple of seasons and blasted down the doors to become a top 4D. Jones has trended better than that arguably as well, but his steps have been more incremental.
Rafters
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Khudobin, Pysyk and go after one of Hoffman/Hall/Dadonov/Toffoli
wouldnt mind Pysyk as a swing man that can play wing and slide back on defense if there is injuries
wouldnt mind Pysyk as a swing man that can play wing and slide back on defense if there is injuries
ChaoticOrange
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I have a sneaking suspicion that they don't qualify him and let him walk.
Holland seemed very lukewarm on AA in his final presser and Stauffer was trashing him on the show yesterday which is sometimes an indication that the player could be on the way out.
If they are intent on not qualifying him, they need to trade him and recover some value.
At least they get a pick back and can use the $3M to sign a #3 center or goalie. Simply letting him walk would be real poor asset management on a Chiarellian level.
None of those defencemen is a notable improvement over Larsson. Bear is clearly our best RHD, and then we go into the mud. You could put Larsson in with those guy and he would not look out of place. Actually, based on reputation -- he would be at the top of that list..and he is not good.
Adding one of them would not improve our group. Would only add to the disgusting log jam of mediocrity. None of those defenceman can pass the puck or make a deft play out of the zone.
Ethan Bear and Caleb Jones looked to be revelations in our group for that exact reason. They are the only ones capable of making that pretty play out of the zone. Waiting out a forechecker, quick little pass to the middle of the ice -- clean and out. Jones will be a staple in our group whenever next season starts without a shadow of a doubt. He looks damn good. We need more players who can pass the puck out of trouble. Ethan Bear was forced to play like a coward because he knew his defensive partner was the most err0r-prone player we have on our roster. They need to be separated.
If we could find an actual defensive defenceman who is steady a la Hjalmarsson to play with Bear, then fine...we should look to acquire him. That way we could have a solid pairing with Ethan Bear told he can actually go out there and play to his full potential.
I think it's clear that this team/town ain't big enough for the both of Klefbom and Nurse. They are both too error-prone while playing huge minutes. I found it very telling when in an interview, RNH was asked by Paul Bissonnette who is the player who screws up all the drills in practice. Without hesitation he said Klefbom. Does that surprise anyone? Klefbom is often so lost out there it is a miracle he finds his way to the bench after a shift. The other player he mentioned? Matt Benning.
So what do we do, McDNicks? Well, we move out one of Klefbom/Nurse -- unless one of them is willing to play 3rd pairing minutes. I doubt that is the case though. For some reason Nurse was given a letter. Him and Klefbom are clogging up the left side of our pairings. Jones should have certainly been playing instead of one of them and replacing their minutes.
I agree, it will be essentially impossible to just trade for a top pairing guy. It is actually impossible, and nobody here should be considering it. Not worth talking about or hypothesizing. We should be figuring out how we can do our best to let Jones/Bear/Broberg/Bouchard realize their potential. We know what we have in Klefbom/Nurse. I think it would be quite the shock for one of them to be playing below Jones in the depth chart, even though he should be. I wonder how Larsson and Benning felt with Ethan Bear was showing them up midway through the year and into the playoffs? Maybe they didn't mind, but maybe they did.
Nurse-Bear isn't even a competent pairing. None of our pairings were this season aside from the pairing Caleb Jones played on surprisingly. I know I keep tooting his horn, but his advanced stats were so insanely good with basically every defenceman he was paired with this year. The eye tests reveals the same -- he has such a good mind for the game, and solid skill. If he was a right hand shot, he would've been on our top pairing instead of Bear...and Bear is a damn good player already.
Seniority nonsense messed us up these playoffs. Smith gets the start, Jones is scratched for Russell. Those two errors alone probably were the difference between winning and losing that series. I think Kenny knows that too. Says he has a really good idea of what needs to be changed going forward. Mentions defence and a change of pace. I think it's inevitable we see Klef/Nurse moved to make room for Jones. Bet Kenny has immense faith in him too.
Only question is where Broberg and Bouchard are next year. Broberg will be playing top pairing in the SHL finally. He will be given every opportunity to dominate that league. Bouchard is a bit of a wildcard because of the AHL. Who knows when that starts up, so where does he go? Do we see him start in the NHL? Do we see him play overseas? Guess we'll see. Would be cool to see Skelleftea run a top pairing of Broberg-Bouchard as Bouchard did an amazing job in the AHL this year...one of the top scoring defenceman league-wide.
I would not be surprised to see Jones-Bear as our top pairing as soon as next year at some point. I actually expect it. Nurse-Larsson would make a great third pairing at the NHL level. Anything more than that and they are not really capable of being anything more than ~46-48% CF, which is not good enough.
McDNicks17
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Depends on how much credit you give Dumoulin's partners.
His defensive results are eons better than Klefbom's.
McOvechking
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How are people valuing Samorukov now? Last year there was a ton of hype around him. Has that mostly died out?
How would a Samorukov for Buchnevich type deal sound? Is his value not there yet? Does his potential far exceed that trade being worth it? I don't have a finger on the pulse for his trade value at all right now.
How would a Samorukov for Buchnevich type deal sound? Is his value not there yet? Does his potential far exceed that trade being worth it? I don't have a finger on the pulse for his trade value at all right now.
ChaoticOrange
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His partner for the most part is Kris Letang. I'm giving him significant credit.
Dumoulin-Larsson would be an absolute f***ing nightmare.
His QO will be over $2M so unless he takes a paycut to stay here, they almost have to move him or just not qualify him.
I am just bored at work and thinking of possible trades that can help us. Do you guys think that something around Russel for retained Subban is absolut bullshit?
I completely agree with making space for Bouchard. Better to get rid of Larsson first. Benning is someone you worry about after dealing with real pressing priorities.
I'd prefer to no re-sign Benning but it is so far down the list it shouldn't really be part of the discussion.
Benning is at least young, serviceable and inexpensive. He is paid like a bottom pairing guy and having him as a #7 that could swing in if our younger guys struggle a bit is a good use of capspace as they young guys are so cheap as well.
McDNicks17
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He's due for a $2M QO.
I wouldn't really call that inexpensive for a 6/7D. Probably one of the worst $$ per on-ice contribution on the team, IMO.
He's like our only defender than consistently has a positive goals for percentage. I think his qo is a little high for sure but I think Holland can get it a bit lower. If not his 2mill is fine if your bottom pairing is Jones/Bouchard as they make combined less than that. You are paying him to be a backup for the two of them until they are proven ready and then move on from him for someone cheaper. especially if Russell and possible Larsson are moved out
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I think he will get paid like a Top 4D, but he’s not one. He’s a number 5 with PP ability, which is essentially what he’s been since he came into the league. He’s always struggled when playing higher in the lineup
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McDNicks17
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He has a positive GF% because he plays extremely sheltered minutes.
He plays 85% of his 5v5 ice time against 4th lines while playing with McDavid 50% of the time. There probably isn't an easier role in the league.
That sounds pretty common for a third pairing guy. My point is he plays his role on the third pairing extremely well, isn't a liability to the team either and in the grand scheme of things if Holland can get him under $2mill his contract doesn't really hurt us either way and is very movable too. Keeping him as a just in case for Bouchard is valuable. Better than keeping Larsson or Russell for that purpose.
Agreed. Spending 2 2nds just to walk on an RFA after what, 13 games is Chiarelli level management. Hell even if he trades him for a 7th, get SOMETHING back.
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Do you think we should put an up and comer such as Bouchard in that sheltered role?
McDNicks17
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It isn't common and it's why the Oilers second pairing plays more minutes than some teams' first pairings.
#7D is the last place the Oilers should be spending money. Especially $2M.
Yes. That's what I am saying. My point is we should keep Benning as the #7 incase Bouchard struggles and can't handle it. Bouchard hasn't proven he can do shit yet at the NHL level and it's smart to have some sort of backup.
And if Bouchard can't handle NHL minutes than you have what...Jones and...who on the bottom pairing?
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