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The #1 Priority This Offseason Is

  • Goaltending

  • The Blueline

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YakDavid

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I know people commend Russell as some sort of warrior but he's extremely one dimensional and even that dimension really isn't that good. He deflects a lot of pucks into our net.
Thing is he is a known commodity. We could probably get a player at his level but it would depend on the market. Trades might be difficult this year with a flat cap.
 

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We need a miracle, but let's look at the positives.

We were 3 goals off 2nd in the conference for goals scored. Essentially scoring at the same pace as anyone else in the conference sans Colorado. We have enough goal scoring that it is not an area of concern at the moment in terms of a tiered list of things needing to be addressed using our own assets. I would have it as the least important. Even though we have spaces that should be filled (for example, the idea of having Kassian, Archibald, Chiasson etc as the options McDavid is forced to play with makes me physically sick). However, I think we need to PRAY Puljujarvi comes back next season and fits into that spot.

We need to be realistic. Our special teams carried this team into a solid playoff position this year. It is very unlikely that we maintain that level of proficiency going into next season. It just doesn't happen. Our PP will very well still be top 5, but our PK was an anomaly. We need to accept, as Kenny eluded to in his interviews yesterday, that we should expect to fall back down to earth in some of these metrics and that will lead to more goals against. We should all be in agreement that reducing goals against should be the primary goal for our GM at the moment.

So, what do we do?

The easiest answer is to move out defencemen who struggle to move the puck out of our zone. This means moving out Klefbom, Nurse, Russell, Benning, Larsson. Uhhhhh...

Ok, now let's also evaluate the defencemen on our roster who can not get a shot through to the net from the point. Oh shucks, it's essentially all of them.

You can begin to see the predicament that Kenny is in. There is almost no fix. It's one of those things you'd see in real life -- some old shack in the middle of the woods on a beautiful property. Well, do you tear it down and build something beautiful? Kind of hard to do that in the NHL. So Kenny has been tasked with trying to slowly repair it piece by piece. It's only going to end up a mess.

We need a bulldozer and a float truck full of nice new lumber. Well, where do we get that? Probably the draft. But who is going to teach the wood to look pretty and to not creak? Well, we do not have that guy. Imagine you come into the NHL as a top pick. You are a teenager or early 20's. You are brand new to the league, terrified, trying to figure out how everything works. Trying to figure out how to shut down behemoths like Mackinnon, Panarin, etc. In any line of work you have the apprentice and the master. Essentially. Well what happens when the apprentice is being taught what to do by a complete f***ing idiot? What about when that guy who got taught by the f***ing idiot is now tasked with teaching the next apprentice how to play? Well, you're in a looooot of trouble. Introduce Oscar Klefbom. Introduce Darnell Nurse.

Contrast to Chicago. Duncan Keith teaching a big group of young defencemen how to play. And damn does he play. 37 years old and still making a mockery of our organization. All of the young defencemen on that roster learn how to play defence properly. How to win championships. Their compete level was way higher even if their team lacked the skill ours does at the top end. It didn't matter.

So again, what do we do? Well, we pray. We pray that Kenny can acquire an ACTUAL mentor for these D. Talking about Mike Green, not sure. He was a damn good offensive D, but never came close to winning anything. Don't think anyone really fits the mold. Pittsburgh had Gonchar lead the way. Chicago had guys like Campbell. We don't have anyone.

We are going to need to pray for an anomaly. We are going to need to pray that guys like Bouchard and Broberg come in the same way Bear did as a rookie and blow the roof off the place...only better. One of them needs to become a true #1 guy. Teams like Columbus have managed to get two in Werenski and Jones. All we really need is one...please God, help us out. Give us our first top pairing defenceman since Chris Pronger. Without it we are toast.
 

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It's starting to look like their only hope is dumping Russell and Benning and finding a RD better than Larsson to push him down the bottom pairing with Jones.
I think Jones has immense potential for growth going into the next season. I could see him in our top4.
I love Seth Jones as a player can think Caleb can bring a lite version of that into our blueline
 

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Bjugstad has had very little recent success as a center. Russell is probably much easier to move. After his signing bonus he has a real salary of $1.5M vs $5.25M for Bjugstad.
The real salary isn't the issue on its own its the actual cap. Lots of teams are very cap strapped. Holland said at least 25 teams are. We aren't just jumping Russell, Holland heavily implied that. Any salary moving out will have similar salary moving back. Maybe Bjugstad is the wrong target but we aren't just moving salary for picks.
 

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Trade Russell to Florida, who are looking to cut costs significantly, for the rights to Haula. He's currently signed for $2.75M/season. Signing Haula at approx. $3M season over a 3-4 year term shouldn't be a problem as he's 29.

The Oilers have numerous bottom-6 forwards from which they could move on. I'm not sold on Khaira as the #3C. As another poster mentioned, Haula had chemistry with Neal in Vegas.
How is adding cap for an expiring contract cutting costs?
 

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His best was still trash that's why there's discussion of him not even being qualified.

You know what's worse than making a mistake? Making an additional mistake because you're trying to justify your original mistake.

No reason to qualify AA. If someone signs him let that team throw their $3 million away. Don't think there is much trade value for him. Not worth the risk of committing another $3 million to him.

Let him become a free agent. Offer him $1.5 million on a one-year deal. I'd be shocked if he can find better elsewhere. If he can so be it. AA is a bottom six guy until he proves otherwise.
 

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I have become convinced over the last couple of days that we are going to deal Klefbom in a completely underwhelming, shitty trade (like for an expensive, over the hill 3C that "competes" and replacement draft picks), and stuff Nurse on the top pairing where he will drown like he has always drowned without Klef.

I hope I am wrong.

I like the looks of a Klefbom-Bear, Jones-X top four a hell of a lot more than a Nurse-Bear, Jones-X top 4.
 

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If Holland can work some magic with Russell, there's actually a handful of decent guys he could sign to fill that second pairing rightie spot with his salary.

I wouldn't expect a bigger fish like Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Schultz, Barrie or Tanev, but guys like Braun, Gudas, Hamonic or DeMelo would do well bringing some balance. Hell, even re-signing Green might be a decent option to give Klefbom/Nurse a little more help on that pairing.
 

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If Holland can work some magic with Russell, there's actually a handful of decent guys he could sign to fill that second pairing rightie spot with his salary.

I wouldn't expect a bigger fish like Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Schultz, Barrie or Tanev, but guys like Braun, Gudas, Hamonic or DeMelo would do well bringing some balance. Hell, even re-signing Green might be a decent option to give Klefbom/Nurse a little more help on that pairing.
You talk to the big fish but realistically the secondary guys end up being better siginings
 

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How is adding cap for an expiring contract cutting costs?
The Panthers have holes to fill on their defense and not much in terms of defensive prospects or cash to do it. Russell doesn't cost that much actual money for 2020-21 after his signing bonus was paid by the Oilers. He also represents an inexpensive stopgap on their bottom-pairing until the Panthers know how much money they are going to lose next season.
 
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If Holland can work some magic with Russell, there's actually a handful of decent guys he could sign to fill that second pairing rightie spot with his salary.

I wouldn't expect a bigger fish like Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Schultz, Barrie or Tanev, but guys like Braun, Gudas, Hamonic or DeMelo would do well bringing some balance. Hell, even re-signing Green might be a decent option to give Klefbom/Nurse a little more help on that pairing.
Brain, Gudas, Hamonic, DeMelo are no different than what we have. Hamonic maybe, but even then...not really. A whole bunch more meh. If we sign one of them, we'd have like...8 2nd/3rd pairing guys and zero top pairing guys.

We very clearly need a top pairing guy. This has gone on far too long. Look at Toronto failing with elite scoring power in their lineup due to a horrific defence. We're on the same level. They have a ton of 2nd/3rd pairing guys. Reilly being a bit different, but we all know he is not a defensive defenceman by any means. He is not a true top pairing guy. Complimentary rover.

All one needs to do is look at the past Cup champions and realize the last time a team won the Cup WITHOUT a true top pairing guy was Carolina in '06 -- and even they had a defenceman better than anyone we do now in Frank Kaberle, lmao.
 

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The real salary isn't the issue on its own its the actual cap. Lots of teams are very cap strapped. Holland said at least 25 teams are. We aren't just jumping Russell, Holland heavily implied that. Any salary moving out will have similar salary moving back. Maybe Bjugstad is the wrong target but we aren't just moving salary for picks.
Real salary is important to a fair number of NHL teams. Especially to teams that actually have cap space. This is probably never going to be more true than in the coming year. Next year's revenues may be way down as I suspect there will be no fans or at best very few. And while escrow helps to mitigate this to a degree its effect is not uniform. A team like Winnipeg for example is extremely dependent on gate revenue and while the ownership has deep pockets they have always operated with fiscal responsibility in mind. Ottawa of course is Ottawa. But even teams like Anaheim and LA will probably be money conscious. If you want evidence of thsi look no further than the strong resistance the owners showed towards compliance buyouts.

Bjugstatd has not played well at center for years. To be effective with the Oilers you should be looking at him as a winger since he is not much of a playmaker, has never been great defensively and is 30 years old so its not like you expect to see him get better. That is pretty much true no matter where he goes. And a serviceable #5 defenseman making $1.5M is going to be a lot more attractive than tweener winger making $5.25M when the cap hits are basically the same.
 

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No reason to qualify AA. If someone signs him let that team throw their $3 million away. Don't think there is much trade value for him. Not worth the risk of committing another $3 million to him.

Let him become a free agent. Offer him $1.5 million on a one-year deal. I'd be shocked if he can find better elsewhere. If he can so be it. AA is a bottom six guy until he proves otherwise.

Agree completely. No GM is going to give AA $3 million with the flat cap, and GM's can be pretty dumb sometimes. Offer AA something along what you have here ($1.25-1.75), and if he doesn't take it, you let him walk and suck up the fact that you just gave 2 second round picks for a fairly useless player that you didn't get anything for. In Holland's defence, he probably thought that worst case scenario was him trading AA to another team for a single second rounder in the off-season, as there was no way of predicting the COVID-caused flat-cap that would be the reality.
 

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Brain, Gudas, Hamonic, DeMelo are no different than what we have. Hamonic maybe, but even then...not really. A whole bunch more meh. If we sign one of them, we'd have like...8 2nd/3rd pairing guys and zero top pairing guys.

We very clearly need a top pairing guy. This has gone on far too long. Look at Toronto failing with elite scoring power in their lineup due to a horrific defence. We're on the same level. They have a ton of 2nd/3rd pairing guys. Reilly being a bit different, but we all know he is not a defensive defenceman by any means. He is not a true top pairing guy. Complimentary rover.

All one needs to do is look at the past Cup champions and realize the last time a team won the Cup WITHOUT a true top pairing guy was Carolina in '06 -- and even they had a defenceman better than anyone we do now in Frank Kaberle, lmao.

They'd be better than any right-handed defenseman on the roster not named Bear.

You aren't going to just snap your fingers and get a top pairing defenseman. Start by working towards having three competent pairings instead of Nurse/Bear, Klefbom and someone playing way over their head and a bottom pairing that you can only play against 4th lines.
 

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Man, Benning is fine as a bottom pairing defenseman. He doesn't need to be traded.

We also need to expose a dman wit a certain number of games players, and under contract past 20-21, for the expansion draft. I suspect Benning will be that player. Unless the team is okay with losing Jones, but I don't think they will be. So due to that, I fully anticipate Benning getting a 2 year extension done this off-season.
 
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We also need to expose a dman wit a certain number of games players, and under contract past 20-21, for the expansion draft. I suspect Benning will be that player. Unless the team is okay with losing Jones, but I don't think they will be. So due to that, I fully anticipate Benning getting a 2 year extension done this off-season.
Lets see what we have in Jones first and who we add at forward.
We likely wont protect Jones to expose 3 additional forwards.

3D - 7F
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I think Jones has immense potential for growth going into the next season. I could see him in our top4.
I love Seth Jones as a player can think Caleb can bring a lite version of that into our blueline

Yeah watching Seth Jones in the playoffs, you can see at least a lite version of him in Caleb. I wouldn’t be surprised if he still had an outside chance of being a #2 when he hits his prime. He just turned 23 (and has only played 60 NHL games) that next step could come as early as this season.

I think he ends up getting protected in the expansion draft. One of Nurse or Klefbom goes (the other is protected along with Jones and Bear) in a trade for a forward worth protecting.
 
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If Holland can work some magic with Russell, there's actually a handful of decent guys he could sign to fill that second pairing rightie spot with his salary.

I wouldn't expect a bigger fish like Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Schultz, Barrie or Tanev, but guys like Braun, Gudas, Hamonic or DeMelo would do well bringing some balance. Hell, even re-signing Green might be a decent option to give Klefbom/Nurse a little more help on that pairing.
Is Schultz even a big fish anymore? Injuries, poor play, soft. Sure I see teams lining up for him, but in a lot smaller capacity than a few years ago
 

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Yeah watching Seth Jones in the playoffs, you can see at least a lite version of him in Caleb. I wouldn’t be surprised if he still had an outside chance of being a #2 when he hits his prime. He just turned 23 (and has only played 60 NHL games) that next step could come as early as this season.

I think he ends up getting protected in the expansion draft. One of Nurse or Klefbom goes (the other is protected along with Jones and Bear) in a trade for a forward worth protecting.
I can 100% see Jones as a top 2 but I didn't want to say it because it makes me sound like a madman and there are very few real top2 D in the league
 
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