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[McDNicks17]

And if Bouchard can't handle NHL minutes than you have what...Jones and...who on the bottom pairing?

There's countless guys out there that would sign for near league minimum and provide the same results in Benning's role.

 

[ujju2]

I'm definitely one of the biggest Larsson fans here, but it might be time to move on. The back injuries are piling up. We should probably get a good return before another back injury ends his time as a top-4 defenceman. Unfortunate.

 

[yukoner88]

I have a sneaking suspicion that they don't qualify him and let him walk.
Holland seemed very lukewarm on AA in his final presser and Stauffer was trashing him on the show yesterday which is sometimes an indication that the player could be on the way out.

If they are intent on not qualifying him, they need to trade him and recover some value.
At least they get a pick back and can use the $3M to sign a #3 center or goalie. Simply letting him walk would be real poor asset management on a Chiarellian level.

Maybe we can flip him back to Detroit and get one of our 2nds back

 

[KlefDown]

I just have a gut feeling that Holland won't do shit about our Dcore and we'll most likely go into next year with exactly the same personnel

 

[CycloneSweep]

There's countless guys out there that would sign for near league minimum and provide the same results in Benning's role.

Maybe. We haven't had good experience signing any of the countless "Benning" level guys to league minimum. They usually play terrible in the third pairing and we have to trade them away or burry them. We bring those guys in and Benning wins the role over them.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I just have a gut feeling that Holland won't do shit about our Dcore and we'll most likely go into next year with exactly the same personnel

It'll be Russell out, Jones in and that's it. The same bottom 5 core will stay the same...with 2 of them regressing year after year.

 

[McDNicks17]

Maybe. We haven't had good experience signing any of the countless "Benning" level guys to league minimum. They usually play terrible in the third pairing and we have to trade them away or burry them. We bring those guys in and Benning wins the role over them.

Who was the last third pairing guy they brought in who didn't end up in the AHL/overseas after leaving the team?

Garrison, Petrovic, Gravel, Wideman, Manning, Davidson, Gryba, Pardy, Aulie, Fraser, Potter, Fistric.

I honestly don't know when was the last time they brought in an actual NHL bottom pairing option.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Who was the last third pairing guy they brought in who didn't end up in the AHL/overseas after leaving the team?

Garrison, Petrovic, Gravel, Wideman, Manning, Davidson, Gryba, Pardy, Aulie, Fraser, Potter, Fistric.

I honestly don't know when was the last time they brought in an actual NHL bottom pairing option.

Because actual NHL bottom pairing guys don't make league minimum

 

[KlefDown]

It'll be Russell out, Jones in and that's it. The same bottom 5 core will stay the same...with 2 of them regressing year after year.

its going to be in shambles right from game 1 and tbh I don't even know how to fix it
Nurse, Klefbom, Bear have to be the staples even though their performance hasn't been up to par
We need a Larsson in our dcore as a #4 but Larsson is not the one we need (if that makes sense)
we need a rookie and a vet in our bottom pairing which is probably our easiest fix

 

[McDNicks17]

Because actual NHL bottom pairing guys don't make league minimum

Plenty make close to it and what does that have to do with the Oilers track record of bringing in AHLers and wondering why they fail?

 

[KlefDown]

Garrison, Petrovic, Gravel, Wideman, Manning, Davidson, Gryba, Pardy, Aulie, Fraser, Potter, Fistric.

This list is a sight for sore eyes

 

[LTIR]

I think Benning may take a pay cut to stay an Oiler.
No one will give him more than third pairing money with flat cap.

2 yrs @ 1.5M per perhaps

 

[CycloneSweep]

Plenty make close to it and what does that have to do with the Oilers track record of bringing in AHLers and wondering why they fail?

That near minimum wage defensemen aren't as good as Benning is unless they are on an ELC.

 

[Paralyzer008]

I just have a gut feeling that Holland won't do shit about our Dcore and we'll most likely go into next year with exactly the same personnel

This seems like the most likely option aside from another round of cheap veterans. In net I expect Smith back or Howard. Otherwise you'll hear a lot about standing pat.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

You could actually move Larsson, imo, and get a decent return. Russell is harder.

 

[KlefDown]

I'm a firm believer that 3rd pairing on the Dcore should consist of either rookie Dmen slowly being brought into the league and vets on short contracts under 2m

you can literally have a new 3rd pairing every year and still be fine

 

[Smartguy]

Something I’ve been thinking about.

CBJ wanted AA at the deadline just as bad as we did, Eric Francis reported he was actually traded there before us. Andersen is reported to not be happy there after how his injury was handled and it’s pretty widely reported he will move. Would they be open to a 1 for 1? I think Anderson carries more “intangibles” so probably would need a sweetener.

 

[McDNicks17]

That near minimum wage defensemen aren't as good as Benning is unless they are on an ELC.

AHLers at league minimum are obviously worse than Benning.

Is that a case for why he should make $2M though?

 

[CycloneSweep]

Something I’ve been thinking about.

CBJ wanted AA at the deadline just as bad as we did, Eric Francis reported he was actually traded there before us. Andersen is reported to not be happy there after how his injury was handled and it’s pretty widely reported he will move. Would they be open to a 1 for 1? I think Anderson carries more “intangibles” so probably would need a sweetener.

Unless his intangibles is scoring goals...no thank you

 

[CycloneSweep]

AHLers at league minimum are obviously worse than Benning.

Is that a case for why he should make $2M though?

I'd much rather him make $1-1.5 mill but a half mill overpay is not the end or the world. Rather a guy who we know works as a backup than another shot in the dark imo. I'd say 2 mill for one year is acceptable

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Something I’ve been thinking about.

CBJ wanted AA at the deadline just as bad as we did, Eric Francis reported he was actually traded there before us. Andersen is reported to not be happy there after how his injury was handled and it’s pretty widely reported he will move. Would they be open to a 1 for 1? I think Anderson carries more “intangibles” so probably would need a sweetener.

Done.

 

[McDNicks17]

I'd much rather him make $1-1.5 mill but a half mill overpay is not the end or the world. Rather a guy who we know works as a backup than another shot in the dark imo. I'd say 2 mill for one year is acceptable

Does he work though? He's pretty firmly a guy who we know can play 10 minutes, but basically self destructs if he plays any more than that.

Without a true top pairing, you need more from your bottom pairing or you end up with what we have now. If you're going to willingly overpay someone, overpay someone who can play actual third pairing minutes. At the minimum overpay for someone the coach actually trusts to play on special teams if you're going that route.

 

[BarDownBobo]

Something I’ve been thinking about.

CBJ wanted AA at the deadline just as bad as we did, Eric Francis reported he was actually traded there before us. Andersen is reported to not be happy there after how his injury was handled and it’s pretty widely reported he will move. Would they be open to a 1 for 1? I think Anderson carries more “intangibles” so probably would need a sweetener.

I wonder if the play of Texier and Foudy in the playoffs might put a damper on their interest in AA.

Its tough looking to figure out which teams might be interested in him. I’m really interested to see what Holland does.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

I'm definitely one of the biggest Larsson fans here, but it might be time to move on. The back injuries are piling up. We should probably get a good return before another back injury ends his time as a top-4 defenceman. Unfortunate.

I agree. I think it's a chronic issue causing spasms. It doesn't take much to trigger them. It would suck to lose him considering what we lost to get him. I'd be curious to know if these back issues plagued him in Jersey as well, just not to the extreme of him missing time on the IR and something he played through.

I just have a gut feeling that Holland won't do shit about our Dcore and we'll most likely go into next year with exactly the same personnel

He saw live what we all saw on tv. He has to tinker and improve it because this corp is not winning shit in the playoffs. Too much panic and too little in poise especially in the top 4.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Does he work though? He's pretty firmly a guy who we know can play 10 minutes, but basically self destructs if he plays any more than that.

Without a true top pairing, you need more from your bottom pairing or you end up with what we have now. If you're going to willingly overpay someone, overpay someone who can play actual third pairing minutes. At the minimum overpay for someone the coach actually trusts to play on special teams if you're going that route.

Do you have any suggestions of a bottom pairing guy making less than $2 mill that's clearly better than Benning that could be signed or acquired cheap?