Proposal: Rumours and Proposals Thread: Subban Talk

[Soundwave]

Dubois is not going to be an impact player for several years. And he could just as easily bust as be dominating.

**** like have some of you not learned about banking on prospects potential.

I don't think so, 6 foot 3, has speed and hell of a shot plus is a mean mofo. Can't teach any of that. He'll be in the NHL very soon and will be a handful.

 

[Delicious Pancakes]

How about

To Jets:
Eberle
Davidson
#4
prospect/pick

To Oilers:
Trouba
#2

Trouba needs a raise, probably north of 5M, just had a down year, shoots Right. Eberle's at 6M and won't need a transition period to the NHL. Laine/Pulju will make more on entry level than #4 pick/Davidson too which offsets salary. Winnipeg gets extra assets too which is important as a budget team.

Oilers give up a cost controlled Davidson who was playing well on 2nd pair but get another right shot and some toughness in Trouba as well as #2 pick to draft Laine who obviously has size and a great shot.

Probably only works if Winnipeg really likes a Dubois/Tkachuk/Nylander or one of the D prospects.

Thoughts?

 

[frag2]

Klefbom/Nuge + 4th overall for Subban

Posters not gonna like suggesting Klefbom but guy can't stay healthy ever.

 

[CupofOil]

They want a max cap team for next season with little/no chance at any playoff revenue?

I'd still consider an offer sheet on Seth Jones.

So they are going to deal Jones to clear cap space? I don't get the logic. I'm not trying to pick on you about this, I just don't see any plausible scenario where the Jackets deal Jones considering who they dealt for him. It just doesn't make sense on any level for them and seems like an unrealistic option for Chia.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Need to stay off the NYI board

one poster says we are adding to the number 4 if we want Hamonic

 

[Jumptheshark]

Hamonic is going to the peg

 

[Soundwave]

So they are going to deal Jones to clear cap space? I don't get the logic. I'm not trying to pick on you about this, I just don't see any plausible scenario where the Jackets deal Jones considering who they dealt for him. It just doesn't make sense on any level for them and seems like an unrealistic option for Chia.

Look at their cap structure, if they pay (or are forced to pay) Jones $6 million they are right up against the cap ... for an American team that likely isn't sniffing playoffs in a non-traditional market ...

Johansen situation is unfortunate, I don't think they wanted to make that trade but got forced into taking the best return at the time.

Dubois is a very similar type of player to Johansen and they get Puljujarvi, I'd add in Griffin Reinhart and the $5 million in cap room they get by not having to sign Jones.

 

[Shizuka]

How about

To Jets:
Eberle
Davidson
#4
prospect/pick

To Oilers:
Trouba
#2

Trouba needs a raise, probably north of 5M, just had a down year, shoots Right. Eberle's at 6M and won't need a transition period to the NHL. Laine/Pulju will make more on entry level than #4 pick/Davidson too which offsets salary. Winnipeg gets extra assets too which is important as a budget team.

Oilers give up a cost controlled Davidson who was playing well on 2nd pair but get another right shot and some toughness in Trouba as well as #2 pick to draft Laine who obviously has size and a great shot.

Probably only works if Winnipeg really likes a Dubois/Tkachuk/Nylander or one of the D prospects.

Thoughts?

No one in the top 3 is trading down. It's probably best to let the Laine dream die a quiet death (look at the poor sap who chose 'Laineiscoming' as his nick name ).

 

[Gretzkyforever99]

I would rather Faulk than Hamonic. Would Carolina bite?

This

 

[Soundwave]

No one in the top 3 is trading down. It's probably best to let the Laine dream die a quiet death (look at the poor sap who chose 'Laineiscoming' as his nick name ).

I'll be honest, I don't feel Laine or Puljujarvi are necessarily better than Dubois. Dubois can play center too, whereas the both of them are strictly wingers.

 

[CupofOil]

Look at their cap structure, if they pay (or are forced to pay) Jones $6 million they are right up against the cap ... for an American team that likely isn't sniffing playoffs in a non-traditional market ...

Johansen situation is unfortunate, I don't think they wanted to make that trade but got forced into taking the best return at the time.

Dubois is a very similar type of player to Johansen and they get Puljujarvi, I'd add in Griffin Reinhart and the $5 million in cap room they get by not having to sign Jones.

And their D turns into garbage. Lots of teams are not stupid like the Oilers, they know that building from the net out is most key to team success.

If they are worried about being tight against the cap, there are a million other options that they would choose to clear space before dealing Jones. Ridding themselves of the Hartnell contract for starters.

And I don't think Dubois is similar to Johansen at all, he's more of a Benn type.

 

[Soundwave]

And their D turns into garbage. Lots of teams are not stupid like the Oilers, they know that building from the net out is most key to team success.

If they are worried about being tight against the cap, there are a million other options that they would choose to clear space before dealing Jones. Ridding themselves of the Hartnell contract for starters.

Don't see many teams taking that contract. Cap space is not monopoly money anymore, GMs are clamping down especially on taking long term contracts on old players.

 

[Shizuka]

I'll be honest, I don't feel Laine or Puljujarvi are necessarily better than Dubois. Dubois can play center too, whereas the both of them are strictly wingers.

That's fine if you like the player, I liked what I read and saw of him too but if you heard Chiarelli's post draft lottery interview, it sounded as if we would not be using it (unless he isn't able to make something happen to address D issues). In fact I'd almost say it's a certainty we'll be picking lower, as he seeks to parlay the 4 into an NHL D + extra assets.

 

[Soundwave]

And their D turns into garbage. Lots of teams are not stupid like the Oilers, they know that building from the net out is most key to team success.

If they are worried about being tight against the cap, there are a million other options that they would choose to clear space before dealing Jones. Ridding themselves of the Hartnell contract for starters.

And I don't think Dubois is similar to Johansen at all, he's more of a Benn type.

Yeah well, Jamie Benn is a pretty good player, lol, but we don't really have that type of a player either.

I'd make more of an arguement to keep the Dubois pick and move the softer RNH instead. Really what is the longer term plan for RNH here anyway? Is he going to play 3C at 6 million dollars per and being a 50 point player maybe?

Both Calgary and Vancouver fans are licking their chops over Dubois and pissed they are not in the top 4.

 

[oilz89*]

Well it wouldn't be just the pick, would it? Come on, contribute meaningfully to the discussion instead of 'lol'.

I'm just saying that if you have a chance to get a player like Subban you take it. The 4th overall pick won't help us this season and we want to be a good team NOW. Not in 2 years


lol

 

[Delicious Pancakes]

No one in the top 3 is trading down. It's probably best to let the Laine dream die a quiet death (look at the poor sap who chose 'Laineiscoming' as his nick name ).

You're probably right. Wonder if Trouba could be available though if the Isles trade Hamonic to the Jets. Trouba for Hamonic probably makes more sense but maybe the Isles don't want to pay him what he's looking for. Just a thought if the Oilers can't get Hamonic.

 

[doubledown99]

Subban is the dream for sure. You exhaust every scenario to get him. If you can't well then you turn your attention to Hamonic, Vatanen erc

 

[oilz89*]

No one in the top 3 is trading down. It's probably best to let the Laine dream die a quiet death (look at the poor sap who chose 'Laineiscoming' as his nick name ).

.... yeah i picked the name because I've been a big fan of his since last year... not because i thought Edmonton will get him. I'm still going to be his fan when hes in Peg. In other words, i picked my name because of Laine. Not because he'd be coming here

 

[Shizuka]

I'm just saying that if you have a chance to get a player like Subban you take it. The 4th overall pick won't help us this season and we want to be a good team NOW. Not in 2 years


lol

If it costs Hall, + the 4, and you don't even get a flip of picks, it's an overpay. Further to that, he is making 9 million. You will have to pay McDavid 10 in all likelihood, once his entry deal is done. Pretty tough having $19 million tied up in two players. I think Chiarelli can find other ways of addressing D without having to go mythical whale hunting ala Lowe circa 2006.

 

[oilz89*]

If it costs Hall, + the 4, and you don't even get a flip of picks, it's an overpay. Further to that, he is making 9 million. You will have to pay McDavid 10 in all likelihood, once his entry deal is done. Pretty tough having $19 million tied up in two players. I think Chiarelli can find other ways of addressing D without having to go mythical whale hunting ala Lowe circa 2006.

Name another player in the NHL like Subban. You have a chance to get him you take it!!

 

[Aequitas]

Yeah well, Jamie Benn is a pretty good player, lol, but we don't really have that type of a player either.

I'd make more of an arguement to keep the Dubois pick and move the softer RNH instead. Really what is the longer term plan for RNH here anyway? Is he going to play 3C at 6 million dollars per and being a 50 point player maybe?

Both Calgary and Vancouver fans are licking their chops over Dubois and pissed they are not in the top 4.

Or don't trade your only center over the age of 20 not named letestu. Unless they sign a veteran 3rd line center who can move up in to top 6 trading Rnh=no playoffs again especially if mcdavid or Draisaitl get injured.

 

[doubledown99]

You get Subban and he will play 25-30 min a game for you. Who cares about $9 mil per year. Are you going to care paying McDavid over $10?

I said it earlier but you get Subban and you have a top 10 C and D. Not many teams can say the same.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Dubois/Tkachuk don't excite me...these guys are years away from impact NHLers and winger don't hold the value of centers/defensemen

trade the pick...enough with "potential"

get a freaking d-man already

 

[Soundwave]

Or don't trade your only center over the age of 20 not named letestu. Unless they sign a veteran 3rd line center who can move up in to top 6 trading Rnh=no playoffs again especially if mcdavid or Draisaitl get injured.

RNH is not the difference between us making the playoffs or not. I dunno. I prefer Dubois. Can't teach 6 foot 3 200+ pounds, if we ever want to do anything in this conference we need a star player like him.

I'd rather move RNH, what is his long term role going to be here? 3C for 6 million dollars isn't going to work.

 

[CupofOil]

Yeah well, Jamie Benn is a pretty good player, lol, but we don't really have that type of a player either.

I'd make more of an arguement to keep the Dubois pick and move the softer RNH instead. Really what is the longer term plan for RNH here anyway? Is he going to play 3C at 6 million dollars per and being a 50 point player maybe?

Both Calgary and Vancouver fans are licking their chops over Dubois and pissed they are not in the top 4.

All this talk about Dubois and I bet the Oilers consider Tkachuk over him if they decide to make the pick which seems unlikely. Tkachuk seems more like that mucker that Chia endears to.

If they do take Dubois, I hope you're not expecting him to be the RNH replacement because that's some Macellini thinking there. RNH is still their most experienced top 9 center. If they deal him, they better damn well have a backup solution to bring in a legit veteran 3rd line center otherwise, you have Letestu as your 3rd line center again and are one injury away from Letestu in the top 6.