Proposal: Rumours and Proposals Thread: Subban Talk

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Does Columbus getting one of the Finns mean that the Oilers can snag a retained Hartnell on the cheap?

I think we'd have been able to do this regardless of how they finished in the draft lottery.

Thing is, who would move out on LW? Our depth is already Hall-Maroon-Pouliot

 

[bestmyfeeling]

I'd rather give the 4th for Vatanen to be honest. Hamonic is not good enough.

Wut? Hamonic >>> vatanen easily IMO

Outside of offence hamonic is much better in all other areas, also has a sweetheart contract and plays a lot tougher minutes then vats. I'd love to have vats on our team no doubt, but hamonic is easily better IMO

 

[Shizuka]

Whatever happened to that noise regarding Anaheim and us? Stauffer was talking about something around Yakupov and Pouliot for... Vaatanen, was it? I wonder if that will be revisited, and if it truly had any legs to begin with. He was also just saying a few minutes ago about swapping with Arizona for Tkachuk since he also is a player with some Arizona ties (mentioned Dvorak).

I don't know, but honestly this makes it interesting at 4 for trade scenarios. Also, swapping with Montreal is a possibility depending on how they see Dubois in their rankings with the French heritage connection. Don't know if it expands into some monstrous deal for Subban, but I'd be leery of that even if it is for someone of his ability.

 

[Faelko]

Neither are worth this 4th, to be honest I would not be surprised at all if Dubois is better than Puljujarvi and Laine, he has all the skill, skates great, big size, but can also play center and is more physical than either one. He could be like a Ryan Johansen type player.

I don't want to wait for Dubois to develop. If we can get 2 Dmen without moving #4, great. If the pick is the ask for Hamonic, it's gone in a heartbeat.

 

[Soundwave]

Wut? Hamonic >>> vatanen easily IMO

Outside of offence hamonic is much better in all other areas, also has a sweetheart contract and plays a lot tougher minutes then vats. I'd love to have vats on our team no doubt, but hamonic is easily better IMO

We are never going anywhere with a D-corps that offensively challenged. Hamonic is a no.2 d-man who'll get you about 25 points from the back end. Not good enough. We need some one back there who can put up 10+ goals + 40+ points. We don't have that player and Nurse is probably not that type of guy either (he is ironically probably going to be a Hamonic type once he develops).

 

[Soundwave]

Trade Nugent Hopkins, keep Dubois.

RNH - 6'0, weak, string bean, can only play C

Dubois - 6'3 over 200 pounds already, power forward plays either wing or C, expansion draft protected.

 

[Canovin]

Why do people want to trade the pick so badly? It's exempted from the expansion draft. RNH, Ebs, Reinhart and Yak are not. Let's trade those guys for defense first.

 

[Pointteen]

I think we'd have been able to do this regardless of how they finished in the draft lottery.

Thing is, who would move out on LW? Our depth is already Hall-Maroon-Pouliot

I think we are seeing signs that point to Pouliot leaving, don't we?

 

[Soundwave]

Why do people want to trade the pick so badly? It's exempted from the expansion draft. RNH, Ebs, Reinhart and Yak are not. Let's trade those guys for defense first.

Yeah I want a Seth Jones for that 4 pick. If not, then I have no problem keeping it and moving RNH and Eberle instead.

 

[Shizuka]

Why do people want to trade the pick so badly? It's exempted from the expansion draft. RNH, Ebs, Reinhart and Yak are not. Let's trade those guys for defense first.

Well if you're trading the pick, make sure you get a flip of spots instead of just outright giving it away without recouping something back for the draft. That would just be poor asset management, especially in light of the expansion as you referred to. I agree, roster guys first for D, then see what 4 can be turned into.

 

[KidAnger]

Yeah I want a Seth Jones for that 4 pick. If not, then I have no problem keeping it and moving RNH and Eberle instead.

I like your thinking here.

Could there be a bigger deal between Columbus and Edmonton that would make sense?

 

[jukon]

I would rather Faulk than Hamonic. Would Carolina bite?

 

[Raab]

We are never going anywhere with a D-corps that offensively challenged. Hamonic is a no.2 d-man who'll get you about 25 points from the back end. Not good enough. We need some one back there who can put up 10+ goals + 40+ points. We don't have that player and Nurse is probably not that type of guy either (he is ironically probably going to be a Hamonic type once he develops).

Trade Nurse for Hamonic, draft Sergachev. Both problems solved. I'm going to be so pissed if they pass on Sergachev and then I have to watch him go to Calgary or Vancouver and become their Pietrangelo, or OEL level dman.

 

[syz]

I would rather Faulk than Hamonic. Would Carolina bite?

Lol no. Carolina wouldn't bite for a top 3.

 

[Soundwave]

I would rather Faulk than Hamonic. Would Carolina bite?

That I would consider.

 

[doubledown99]

lol S. Jones or Faulk for #1. Wow are some of you delusional

 

[oilz89*]

Whatever happened to that noise regarding Anaheim and us? Stauffer was talking about something around Yakupov and Pouliot for... Vaatanen, was it? I wonder if that will be revisited, and if it truly had any legs to begin with. He was also just saying a few minutes ago about swapping with Arizona for Tkachuk since he also is a player with some Arizona ties (mentioned Dvorak).

I don't know, but honestly this makes it interesting at 4 for trade scenarios. Also, swapping with Montreal is a possibility depending on how they see Dubois in their rankings with the French heritage connection. Don't know if it expands into some monstrous deal for Subban, but I'd be leery of that even if it is for someone of his ability.

lol you'd be leery of trading a draft pick for a #1 dman?

 

[LTIR]

Vatanen vs Hamonic is a false dichotomy, really.

The Oilers need 2 D. At least one who can eat minutes, and at least one who can make an outlet pass. Preferably 2 that can do both, but that's not going to happen.

because it would leave Klefbom and Davidson both exposed to expansion draft.

 

[duul]

Why would Carolina trade a #1 defenceman for #4 overall? It would take Draisaitl + our 1st.

 

[LTIR]

Lol no. Carolina wouldn't bite for a top 3.

Canes could have entertained for 3rd overall (Aho\Puljujarvi connection). No chance for 4th overall..

RNH + 4th overall for Faulk perhaps

 

[Soundwave]

Dubois is going to be a very, very good player. I would not be surprised at all if he's better than Nugent Hopkins who went 1 in his draft, he's going to be way better than Yakupov, maaaaybe better than Hall.

I think he could be a Ryan Johansen type of player, and again I would not be surprised if he is the 2nd best player in this draft.

 

[CupofOil]

Yeah I want a Seth Jones for that 4 pick. If not, then I have no problem keeping it and moving RNH and Eberle instead.

What's with this Seth Jones obssession of yours? The Jackets have no reason whatsoever to deal him. They just dealt their franchise center for him. They aren't trading him and I feel very comfortable in saying that with confidence.

Dubois is going to be a very, very good player. I would not be surprised at all if he's better than Nugent Hopkins who went 1 in his draft, he's going to be way better than Yakupov, maaaaybe better than Hall.

I think he could be a Ryan Johansen type of player, and again I would not be surprised if he is the 2nd best player in this draft.

These are some very bold statements. Honest question, is this based on many viewings of Dubois? Maybe better than Halll? Come on. It's possible but seems like a real longshot.

 

[doubledown99]

Dubois is not going to be an impact player for several years. And he could just as easily bust as be dominating.

**** like have some of you not learned about banking on prospects potential.

 

[Shizuka]

lol you'd be leery of trading a draft pick for a #1 dman?

Well it wouldn't be just the pick, would it? Come on, contribute meaningfully to the discussion instead of 'lol'.

 

[Soundwave]

What's with this Seth Jones obssession of yours? The Jackets have no reason whatsoever to deal him. They just dealt their franchise center for him. They aren't trading him and I feel very comfortable in saying that with confidence.

They want a max cap team for next season with little/no chance at any playoff revenue?

I'd still consider an offer sheet on Seth Jones.