But high end UFA acquisitions are neither the primary means to build a team nor a KPI for success (seems to be the opposite there, actually). Instead, they are a peripheral part of the job and account for a vast minority of any team's roster. So, what you are presenting here is the real false equivalency, as the salesman's entire job is to land sales. Holland's job is to build and sustain a contending team - acquiring high end UFAs is a very small part of that when measured against building via draft and trades (criticize those all you like - I generally won't argue). UFAs are a different beast, though. You can be unsuccessful in landing a blue chip UFA but that does not equal failure in my eyes, since you are almost never in control.
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But high end UFA acquisitions are neither the primary means to build a team nor a KPI for success (seems to be the opposite there, actually). Instead, they are a peripheral part of the job and account for a vast minority of any team's roster. So, what you are presenting here is the real false equivalency, as the salesman's entire job is to land sales. Holland's job is to build and sustain a contending team - acquiring high end UFAs is a very small part of that when measured against building via draft and trades (criticize those all you like - I generally won't argue). UFAs are a different beast, though. You can be unsuccessful in landing a blue chip UFA but that does not equal failure in my eyes, since you are almost never in control.
Did you take a look at WHEN he entered the NHL? It wasn't at 18. If Hyman was just a bottom sixer, he wouldn't have as much talent he has at scoring goals. He scores goals in a way that no player on our team can. Garbage goals, in front of the net, his forechecking and cycling is great. I'm pretty not just me or you noticed how much of a pestilence he was in the offensive zone when he was on Toronto. He PKs as well. He's versatile.
I'm not saying sign him for 8 years. I'm saying sign him to a good contract
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At this point, if we freed up cap space we're spending it on horrible contracts for middling or aging players.
Easily the most sane and logical post today that everyone here needs to read.
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I am. I will chock up wins for Holland when he hits (Pulju, Barrie), and I will chock up losses for when he misses (Larsson, Hall). Go ahead and continue to tell me how I personally run my own talley on Holland's job performance is wrong cause its not how you would view it.
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Bobby Ryan
Jason Demers
Darren Helm
Luke Glendening
Jimmy Vesey
Ian Cole
EDIT: David Rittich
Take your pick.
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Agreed, expecting Smith to do the heavy lifting for the next 2 years is unreasonable. Holland has highlighted this as a team need going back to last year.
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I lump not being able to sign Hall into the inability to make moves category. You don't, but you know I do cause we've talked about this ad nauseum. So no, it didn't degrade into misrepresenting what was implied. Either way, yes please be done so i can get back to the my Holland talley in peace.
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Who cares when he entered the NHL? That doesn't somehow mean you're going to be productive in your early to mid 30's. People act like our window is the next 5 years because its prime Draisaitl/Mcdavid but somehow a far inferior player in Hyman is going to peak from 29-36? Delusional and a severe case of optimism without anything to really substantiate it. Go take a look at Toronto's board prior to his UFA status because the same things you were complaining about in regards to Lucic (no hands and fumbling pucks) is basically what his skill set is but he's faster so we as a fanbase should ignore that? I'm sorry but being able to get garbage goals shouldn't be something you look at when handing out a contract that is beyond 3-4 years.
Glendening sure seems like a possibility.
The rest, I don't know. I do not think stick flip Dave Rittich is going to be an Oiler. Not just for that, but because I doubt anyone sees him as a real upgrade on Koskinen. He really shit his pants in TO.
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Kassian dumped with no salary coming back, and Neal/Koskinen bought out would put the Oilers at $20,886,032 million in space with 15 players signed.
It's different this time because Oilers homers.
Hyman is going to be an absolute albatross contract. Paying a massive premium for a 3rd wheel player to come in and be the 2nd guy on a line.
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I don't think they're done. Lots of cap space to work with. Free agency or teams desperate to clear cap.
People use the 5 year window thing because because if this org doesnt have their shit together and starts competing now instead of being first round fodder, there is a real possibility we will lose our two superstars. Would resign with this trainwreck of a team if theyre still trash in 5 years?
Holland isnt instilling too much confidence in the fanbase right now, though. I doubt he gets it done. Ill give him a couple weeks and see what he does.
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