Rumor: Rumours and Proposals Thread | Breaking The (Bank On) Hyman?

[OfCorsiDid]

If you're spending this much money term on a player "to win NOW!!!" it's fair to ask

1.) What have they actually won?

2.) What did they do in their most recent playoff appearances?

Do you want to answer those questions? Probably not.

Zach Hyman had the same number of goals in the last playoffs as Jhujar Khaira did.

This argument is so tired, I legitimately want to have a nap after reading it.

1) So I assume you're a fan of the Keith trade then?

2) Good question. Hyman has not demonstrated the ability to produce in the playoffs. Despite this he has almost the same number of career playoff points as RNH.

#2 raises concerns yes. But he hasn't played with McDavid. Y'know, the McDavid that made Pat Maroon into a 27 goal scorer and made Zack Kassian look like he was worth $3M

We will see. But at least to my knowledge there's very few players available that can satiate both of the questions you asked.

 

[jesusbuiltmyhotrod]

Being saddled with this contract will make winning harder not easier and that will be the case very early on into it's lifespan.

Feel free to quote this for later.

It's not a bad contract the next few years..when the window to win is .,.,. The cap will be a lot higher in years 6-8

 

[jesusbuiltmyhotrod]

People who are saying they are done with the Oilers, do you really think we care if you leave? No. Just goes to show how big of a bandwagoner you really are. They won't miss you. Neither will we. So bye and good riddance.

Exactly.

 

[McBigYak]

Not what I am seeing hearing......

I mean Bettman literally came out.... 3 months ago and said the cap will not be budging in the immediate future, even after the ESPN deal. If you have an alternative source, I'd be happy to read it.

Bettman in March:

"As part of that, the salary cap is basically going to be flat until we recover the overpayments through the escrow that we've built up both in the return to play from last season, which obviously had to be concluded under different circumstances, and this season we're obviously... there's a major escrow building up because of the fact that there's no attendance," Bettman said.

 

[Faelko]

That we haven't heard anything about goalies we are interested in is very concerning.

If Smith is somehow in consideration for being the starter this season is a writeoff.

We’ve heard about Jarry and Allen.

 

[Nunymare]

1) Flaming: Critique the opinion, not the person. Personal attacks against members are not permitted. Report flaming, do not respond to it. Counter-flaming is also prohibited.

Only warning until I start thread banning people.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

I can understand your comparison because honestly when it comes down to it Hall is the better player over Hyman. Looking at our current team makeup though I wonder (and contracts aside) if Hyman's skillset is better for our team over Hall's. I think Hyman would be the better winger for McDavid over Hall. I also think Holland's plan is to try and get a winger for McDavid so we can go with Drai on the second line. I guess you could put Nuge with McDavid and if you got Hall put him with Drai but I prefer Nuge with Drai. I also think Hyman being able to pk and play infront of the net on the pp is a nice bonus.

As for value on the open market, people need to realize that their is the "open market" and the " Edmonton market". These are 2 different things and it has been like this for a very long time. For a longtime we have been on most players no trade lists for players that have them. We have either had to over pay or over extend players and most times both, just to come here. It also doesn't help when we seem to make an awesome trade to change us around something totally unexpected/unplanned happens and messes it all up, example Pronger.

The difference I see with this potential Hyman signing compared to the other past signings where it was an overpay or overextend is we are actually getting a player that can play in the position we are getting him for. How many times in the past did we overpay for a 5-6 dman expecting him to be our #2-3 or a 3 liner expected to handle being a 1st liner. We did it all the time.

Until we start becoming a team that consistently goes to the conference finals and hopefully the stanely cup finals and be a destination for players to want to go win we are probably going to have to overpay in someway to get free agents to come here.

Great post.

One would think that eventually the draw of playing with the two best players would wash the stink off of playing in Edmonton, but you're probably right.

 

[jesusbuiltmyhotrod]

I mean Bettman literally came out.... 3 months ago and said the cap will not be budging in the immediate future, even after the ESPN deal. If you have an alternative source, I'd be happy to read it.

"Immediate future" is not 4-5 years lol. You said 4-5 years..not seeing that..anywhere,. thats a far cry from immediate future.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

We’ve heard about Jarry and Allen.

Hoo. Ray.

 

[Soundwave]

This argument is so tired, I legitimately want to have a nap after reading it.

1) So I assume you're a fan of the Keith trade then?

2) Good question. Hyman has not demonstrated the ability to produce in the playoffs. Despite this he has almost the same number of career playoff points as RNH.

#2 raises concerns yes. But he hasn't played with McDavid. Y'know, the McDavid that made Pat Maroon into a 27 goal scorer and made Zack Kassian look like he was worth $3M

We will see. But at least to my knowledge there's very few players available that can satiate both of the questions you asked.

The Oilers never get "players who can statiate those questions" because they're always freaking capped out.

They spend their cap money like a drunken moron in Vegas the first chance they get and then lock themselves out of the market for the next 3-5 years under the reasoning of "dur hur, it's the price that had to be paid!",

We couldn't get Toffoli on a bargain deal. Why? Because Chiarelli blew his wad in summer 2016. These things have long term effects.

We never have cap room to actually take advantage of good situations because the moment we're given any we spend it stupidly and tie ourselves down for a long ass time.

 

[dem]

Pitlick is a good pickup...
The kind of player we need.

 

[longtimeoilfan]

It's not a bad contract the next few years..when the window to win is .,.,. The cap will be a lot higher in years 6-8

And if the contract is structured smartly, the Oilers can potentially offload him on a budget team looking to make the cap floor in the last couple years of his contract. But who knows, perhaps he will be an awesome player the entire tenure of his contract. Its been a long time since the Oilers had a Smyth type player and presence on the team.

 

[Snipes45]

It's almost like signing hyman does not mean other moves are not coming..some posts here are embarassing. Why worry about the cap in 6 years, the window to win is the next 1-4 years.

I think more people here would love playing that NHL simulator manager game that was so popular for years where you can jerk off over what 2026 will look like rather than try to win

Not to mention the cap is going to go up nice in a few years

 

[The Safe Play]

The Oilers never get "players who can statiate those questions" because they're always freaking capped out.

They spend their cap money like a drunken moron in Vegas the first chance they get and then lock themselves out of the market for the next 3-5 years under the reasoning of "dur hur, it's the price that had to be paid!",

We couldn't get Toffoli on a bargain deal. Why? Because Chiarelli blew his wad in summer 2016.

We never have cap room because the moment we're given any we spend it stupidly and tie ourselves down for a long ass time.

This was exactly the Keith trade IMO. Such a position of strength and blow away 5.5 mil in cap immediately.

 

[McTonyBrar]

This place is on fire wow

 

[Paralyzer]

And if the contract is structured smartly, the Oilers can potentially offload him on a budget team looking to make the cap floor in the last couple years of his contract. But who knows, perhaps he will be an awesome player the entire tenure of his contract. Its been a long time since the Oilers had a Smyth type player and presence on the team.

Exactly. I missed our old early 2000 Oilers who didn't have superstars, but just sheer grinding and determination is what got us in the playoffs.

 

[TheNumber4]

Good god, it’s happening isn’t it. Hyman for 7-8ywars term at a high cap hit for either. This contract has to potential to be a franchise crippling. Not a fan of the deal, player. Could see this turning ugly within 2 years let alone 4.

 

[North]

Yeah, because future cap issues are incredibly crippling and teams feel their effects much more quickly than 'the last few seasons.'

You would think people around here would have learned that by now.

The issues people are concerned about MAY happen. They aren’t even an issue right now.

You know what is an issue right now? A roster that lacks depth. That is the main concern right now.

Do I love the length of this deal? No.

But we are going to be overpaying in some way.

If we try to acquire someone, teams are well aware we need a top six forward and aren’t going to do us any favours in trade discussions.

At least the cap hit now doesn’t stop us from addressing other issues, now.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

The Oilers never get "players who can statiate those questions" because they're always freaking capped out.

They spend their cap money like a drunken moron in Vegas the first chance they get and then lock themselves out of the market for the next 3-5 years under the reasoning of "dur hur, it's the price that had to be paid!",

We couldn't get Toffoli on a bargain deal. Why? Because Chiarelli blew his wad in summer 2016. These things have long term effects.

We never have cap room to actually take advantage of good situations because the moment we're given any we spend it stupidly and tie ourselves down for a long ass time.

Alright who's a player that "satiates those questions" for you?

Hamilton?
Saad?
Tatar?

And what makes you think we'd be paying less or giving less term for these players on the open market and that's IF they'd even consider coming here, and that's a a massive if.

 

[McBigYak]

"Immediate future" is not 4-5 years lol. You said 4-5 years..not seeing that..anywhere,. thats a far cry from immediate future.

The players owe the league a LOT of money. This is pretty much a confirmed fact. The league lost an absolute fortune to stay running this year. I believe there is a few clauses in the new CBA that allows some variability in how the players pay it back. One of them, Bettman was quoted in late December 2020, has the potential to keep the cap flat for 5-6 years.

Regardless, over Hymans contract, I really doubt we're going to see the type of salary cap growth we need to make this an irrelevant AAV over the last 3 years of it.

Here is Bettman in December:

“If we have to pay out lots of cash, two-thirds of which is going to come back to us, that may cause some stress,” Bettman said. “And by the same token, if the players owe us more money than anybody imagined, the salary cap could well be flat or close to flat for the next five or six years, and players into the future will be repaying what we’re owed.”

When it comes to a flat cap, which would have the potential of restricting future pay increases for players, Bettman said: “(Players) have to ask themselves, `Does this make sense?’ ”


And this is before the league figured out how much money it truly did lose.

 

[Keggatron]

This player had 0 goals in his first 21 playoff games...
You wouldn't want this guy, right?

You know who this guy is? Nik Ehlers. Ugh, who would want that guy?
Point being, it's kind of silly to judge a player based purely on playoff stats in a relatively small sample size.

I'll tell you one thing, I watched most of that Montreal-Toronto series and Hyman was one of their better forwards in that series. He was always creating scoring chances, just couldn't finish.

How is this even comparable? Ehlers was 22 and 23 at the time of those playoffs and they were the first two playoff appearances in his career, Hyman is 29 and like his sixth.

 

[The Safe Play]

Good god, it’s happening isn’t it. Hyman for 7-8ywars term at a high cap hit for either. This contract has to potential to be a franchise crippling. Not a fan of the deal, player. Could see this turning ugly within 2 years let alone 4.

I really like the player. Great 5v5 and can PK which is what we need.

Can't disagree with term issues though.

 

[Yeah15]

It's done, Hyman wouldn't fly his family out like that if they were just in a negotiation phase.

It's the same thing when they flew Lucic and his family in to town and he signed a couple of days later.

https://thehockeywriters.com/jason-demers-visits-edmonton-tours-city-and-new-arena/
Just like Demers in 2016??

 

[Niten Ichi Ryu]

Although I hate the term, the fans in this city are going to love Zach Hyman. People in this town love players that give it their all, do it all and players that wear their heart on their sleeve.. We paid Zack Kassian 3.2M, we can add 1.8 to add an element this team needs, especially after the Larsson departure. He's right in his prime and was on pace for a 62 pt season. Imagine what he can do McDavid and Draisaitl. Sure that last few years may anchor this team, but we are in a win now era, with McDrai hitting mid 20s and entering their prime years.

If we sign Zach Hyman, I'd be over the moon. But if we follow it with signing Tyson Barrie, the happiness will be short lived

 

[Faelko]

Hoo. Ray.

You asked. Who do you think they can get?