Rumor: Rumours and Proposals Thread | Breaking The (Bank On) Hyman?

[Jumptheshark]

Hyman could be 37 or 38 when this contract ends. He is 29 right now. Almost afraid to find out what the oilers are giving up. The most points in one season he got was 41. He is not a top line player, he is 2nd line player at best.

This deal could kill a few fans

 

[KlefDown]

Since Oilers literally cost me my sleep last night, it got me thinking that losing Larsson was inevitable, even if he was under contract/signed a new one with us. Especially with the Keith acq. being made so early.

4/4/1 route - Connor, Leon, Jessie, Nuge, Nurse, Keith, Bear, Lars, Skinner = Lose Yamamoto?
7/3/1 route - Same forwards, Nurse, Keith, Lars, = lose Bear for nothing?

Like could we not have gotten Keith after UFA or something.

 

[Paralyzer]

Not even close to the same offensive system though. Leafs can get pucks to the net at will, and do so at volume. This is where Hyman feasts. Oilers don’t do this well.

Because they never HAD ANYONE who would do the dirty work. Only Chaisson and Maroon were the only two that stood in front but both were down grades and nowhere near as good as Hyman.

 

[TheNumber4]

You have to pray like hell that the cap is going to rise faster than expected with a new franchise and the new tv deals.

With a new deal for Nurse coming soon... is this team ever going to have capspace?

Look on the bright side, even if we had cap space there wouldn’t be enough good players willing to come to Edmonton to use it wisely anyways.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

What’s happening in 30 mins?

Trade freeze lifted in an hour and 30 mins. Holland also addressing the media then.

 

[syz]

As I mentioned previously, Bettman has been quoted saying the cap will be flat for the immediate future even after the TV deals. He was also quoted in December saying the players are going to end up owing the league a ton of money, and one route of paying it back might keep the cap flat for 5-6 years.

I would not expect the cap to rise significantly. The league losses are rumored to be in excess of $2.5B~.

Also not safe to assume that they're 100% out of the woods yet and that everything will be forever back to normal. Still potentially lots of letters left in the Greek alphabet.

 

[TheNumber4]

Don’t mean to nitpick but can you tell me what aspects of Hyman’s game that you aren’t a fan of? His contract may end up being ugly and a overpay in terms of money and term, but that doesn’t mean that he isn’t a good and valuable hockey player who would very much so contribute to the team right now.

Check the Hyman thread for all thoughts and details. Or last nights conversation.

 

[nabob]

I really like the player. Great 5v5 and can PK which is what we need.

Can't disagree with term issues though.

Leaf fans have nothing but praise for a guy who is about to leave as a UFA, that should tell something. If Hyman wasn’t a valuable player there would be no shortage of Leaf fans poking their heads in to tell us how much he sucks.

 

[Arpeggio]

Since Oilers literally cost me my sleep last night, it got me thinking that losing Larsson was inevitable, even if he was under contract/signed a new one with us. Especially with the Keith acq. being made so early.

4/4/1 route - Connor, Leon, Jessie, Nuge, Nurse, Keith, Bear, Lars, Skinner = Lose Yamamoto?
7/3/1 route - Same forwards, Nurse, Keith, Lars, = lose Bear for nothing?

Like could we not have gotten Keith after UFA or something.

If you protect Larsson and he leaves anyway, you're losing two players instead of one. I'm assuming they had been negotiating with Larsson for quite some time, and knew there was a good chance he wasn't going to sign here. It would be stupid to protect him if he wasn't willing to commit to playing here.

Edit: What I'm saying is I doubt the Oilers would've protected Larsson even without Keith, because without the commitment from the player to stay you're just wasting a protection spot. Unless you're assuming he left because he wasn't protected, which would be circular logic on Larsson's part. Also, if that was the case, I'm sure he would've made that clear to Oilers management.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Oh yeah, 100% that is what is going to happen. Hamilton is going to sign a 7 year x $7 M deal and people on here will LOSE THEIR MINDS that Holland didn't match the deal, lol. Completely forgetting that Hamilton has to choose to live here, and he already tried Calgary and didn't like it. Hamilton isn't coming to Edmonton people, just like Hall wasn't. Why are people talking about this even? Oh yeah, because Frank made a random one-liner in his blog in order to drive traffic to his site.

Living in Calgary at the time, all I heard was Hamilton's issues were with the organization who also cheaply innuendoed him out of town. Did not hear anything about him not liking the city or playing in Canada. And again, no indication this person would shrink from playing again in a Canadian market just innuendo and usually tied to the goofiness 'guy likes museum' slag that's somehow perceived as a negative by hockey people.

Hamilton has been my long shot big signing to upgrade the defence. Low likelihood for sure. But a lot of assumptions about this person have been made based upon some shitty shade thrown on him by Calgary.

 

[ohheyhemsky]

Since Oilers literally cost me my sleep last night, it got me thinking that losing Larsson was inevitable, even if he was under contract/signed a new one with us. Especially with the Keith acq. being made so early.

4/4/1 route - Connor, Leon, Jessie, Nuge, Nurse, Keith, Bear, Lars, Skinner = Lose Yamamoto?
7/3/1 route - Same forwards, Nurse, Keith, Lars, = lose Bear for nothing?

Like could we not have gotten Keith after UFA or something.

Two more years for Keith to be UFA, and at that point Holland would have signed him to a 8 year 6.5 AAV, so we should count ourselves lucky.

 

[48g90a138pts]

What’s happening in 30 mins?

Is the freeze over at noon ET?

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Since Oilers literally cost me my sleep last night, it got me thinking that losing Larsson was inevitable, even if he was under contract/signed a new one with us. Especially with the Keith acq. being made so early.

4/4/1 route - Connor, Leon, Jessie, Nuge, Nurse, Keith, Bear, Lars, Skinner = Lose Yamamoto?
7/3/1 route - Same forwards, Nurse, Keith, Lars, = lose Bear for nothing?

Like could we not have gotten Keith after UFA or something.

Yikes.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Is the freeze over at noon ET?

1 PM ET

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Since Oilers literally cost me my sleep last night, it got me thinking that losing Larsson was inevitable, even if he was under contract/signed a new one with us. Especially with the Keith acq. being made so early.

4/4/1 route - Connor, Leon, Jessie, Nuge, Nurse, Keith, Bear, Lars, Skinner = Lose Yamamoto?
7/3/1 route - Same forwards, Nurse, Keith, Lars, = lose Bear for nothing?

Like could we not have gotten Keith after UFA or something.

So again, you just assuming things and expecting things to be different won't manifest it in any way.

 

[CycloneSweep]

30 mins

Hour and 30 minutes. 11am mountain.

 

[McBigYak]

Also not safe to assume that they're 100% out of the woods yet and that everything will be forever back to normal. Still potentially lots of letters left in the Greek alphabet.

Exactly. The NHL could be in the hole even further moving forward. The league and the players split profits, and also take the impact of losses. The NHL helped the players out last year, and the players are going to be returning the favor over the next half decade, paying it back.

The $2.5B estimated loss is being full absorbed by the owners/league right now, and the players will pay their piece moving forward. So, I wouldn't expect the cap to rise significantly. Hopefully it does, don't get me wrong. Just not very optimistic it will.

 

[48g90a138pts]

1 PM ET

Well, frack

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Dude, you're ignoring the numbers. You're better than this.

It wasn't just one season, it was TWO seasons I posted where Hyman was the better even strength producer. They aren't comparable at even strength. Hyman is a good deal better at even strength. I'm going with the last two years because that's the player he is now. Of course RNH has had the better career as he's played a lot more games in this league and produced for longer but that's not what I'm arguing.

Okay - Hyman is a better even strength producer.

Does that mean he should get more than RNH on a long term deal? Nuge has established chemistry with our players, he can play center, he can produce on the powerplay, he doesn’t get injured often and he’s a homegrown high pedigree draft pick.

Hyman may have the potential but until he actually reaches the numbers Nuge has he does not deserve the same contract. JMO.

Nugent-Bowman is also reporting on the Athletic that he doesn’t see Hyman getting less than Nuge, which seems insane to me.

 

[longtimeoilfan]

Not even close to the same offensive system though. Leafs can get pucks to the net at will, and do so at volume. This is where Hyman feasts. Oilers don’t do this well.

Perhaps because 'we' didn't have a net front presence like Hyman … add a player skilled at a certain aspect of the game, and likely the way the team plays will change accordingly. For example, adding Barrie last year added a bomb from the blueline, which the Oilers were not doing nearly as much in seasons previous.

 

[TheNumber4]

Because they never HAD ANYONE who would do the dirty work. Only Chaisson and Maroon were the only two that stood in front but both were down grades and nowhere near as good as Hyman.

Doing net front dirty work does not increase the teams ability to get net pucks at volume. Most of the players that make that happen, start outside the greasy area. And if Hyman is the better player than Maroon, is he 3M better? Cause we were able to find an effective net front and McDavid liner in Maroon for 1.5M. Is this organization so inept that we can’t anyone cheaper than 5M that could work with the Best Player of this entire Generation?

 

[McBooya42]

If you protect Larsson and he leaves anyway, you're losing two players instead of one. I'm assuming they had been negotiating with Larsson for quite some time, and knew there was a good chance he wasn't going to sign here. It would be stupid to protect him if he wasn't willing to commit to playing here.

Exactly my thoughts. I think they knew he was gone, so signed Keith and didn't protect Larsson. As much as some posters on here like to think Holland is an idiot and inept, he's not. So many on here doing their best Jon Snow impersonation.

 

[nabob]

Check the Hyman thread for all thoughts and details. Or last nights conversation.

All I remember you saying is that he’s a 3rd line grinder player who can easily be had for $1.5M. Sorry if I’m remembering wrong, it was pretty late.

I thought maybe you would add something about his game that you don’t like since you’re now saying you’re not a fan of the player.

To say he’s not your idea linemate for Connor is one thing, or to dislike his potential contract is another thing. Guess I just don’t see how someone couldn’t be a fan of how Hyman plays is all.

 

[KlefDown]

If you protect Larsson and he leaves anyway, you're losing two players instead of one. I'm assuming they had been negotiating with Larsson for quite some time, and knew there was a good chance he wasn't going to sign here. It would be stupid to protect him if he wasn't willing to commit to playing here.

Edit: What I'm saying is I doubt the Oilers would've protected Larsson even without Keith, because without the commitment from the player to stay you're just wasting a protection spot. Unless you're assuming he left because he wasn't protected, which would be circular logic on Larsson's part. Also, if that was the case, I'm sure he would've made that clear to Oilers management.

I said under the circumstance that he was still under contract signed, even if he had one more year left or if he signed a new one before the expansion.

So again, you just assuming things and expecting things to be different won't manifest it in any way.

what part of this is assuming? IF Larsson signed, like we all wanted him too, we would have lost either a Yamamoto or Bear. It's literally the only way it would have played out

 

[Paralyzer]

Doing net front dirty work does not increase the teams ability to get net pucks at volume. Most of the players that make that happen, start outside the greasy area. And if Hyman is the better player than Maroon, is he 3M better? Cause we were able to find an effective net front and McDavid liner in Maroon for 1.5M. Is this organization so inept that we can’t anyone cheaper than 5M that could work with the Best Player of this entire Generation?

You tell me how Kunitz did it with Crosby for so many years. It takes players who have certain abilities to change the way you play. The play before was give it to Connor or Leon and they do the rest. But if they got a skilled Top 6 guy who can do some of the heavy load like Hyman, the play can be get it to Hyman when he's parked in front of the net. Those things change a teams behaviors easily.