Rumour, Trade & Free Agent Discussion

[Hunter368]

Dermott might of just become available from the Leafs. Depending on how Samberg looks Dermott could be cheap help for the LHD. Depending what depth guys we sign, might be worth gambling a 3rd to 4th rd pick on....he’s shown some potential in the past. Worse case he’s a good bottom pairing LHD that can play top 4 for short times to cover injuries and has potential to be more.

 

[Whileee]

Dermott might of just become available from the Leafs. Depending on how Samberg looks Dermott could be cheap help for the LHD. Depending what depth guys we sign, might be worth gambling a 3rd to 4th rd pick on....he’s shown some potential in the past. Worse case he’s a good bottom pairing LHD that can play top 4 for short times to cover injuries and has potential to be more.

I like Dermott, but I don't think the Jets should consider trading assets to fill a LHD position for next year (I think he'll cost more than a 3rd or 4th). There are some decent UFAs on the market, and the Jets have Samberg, Heinola and Niku in the system.

 

[Hunter368]

I like Dermott, but I don't think the Jets should consider trading assets to fill a LHD position for next year (I think he'll cost more than a 3rd or 4th). There are some decent UFAs on the market, and the Jets have Samberg, Heinola and Niku in the system.

Definitely have to consider where all those young guys are at plus see who's available via FA at what cost......just saying Dermott is just one more option to consider.

 

[Whileee]

Definitely have to consider where all those young guys are at plus see who's available via FA at what cost......just saying Dermott is just one more option to consider.

Agree. He'll be an option, and also could have an impact on the market by making another LHD available.

 

[Weezeric]

Definitely have to consider where all those young guys are at plus see who's available via FA at what cost......just saying Dermott is just one more option to consider.

Change of scenery trade: Dermott for Niku. The leafs save a couple million on salary and the Jets get a bit more experienced Dman

 

[surixon]

Change of scenery trade: Dermott for Niku. The leafs save a couple million on salary and the Jets get a bit more experienced Dman

Demott is a good young dmen. Why would the Leafs give him up at this point?

 

[Weezeric]

Demott is a good young dmen. Why would the Leafs give him up at this point?

They’re at the brink with a flat cap and Dermott is probably looking at 2.5-2.75M on a bridges If they can think Niku can be a similar defenceman for cheap, they might move him.

 

[surixon]

They’re at the brink with a flat cap and Dermott is probably looking at 2.5-2.75M on a bridges If they can think Niku can be a similar defenceman for cheap, they might move him.

Ah makes sense. Well if we can grab a good young dmen for cheap then by all means you go for it.

 

[Hunter368]

Trades I've seen (today) on other teams boards involving the Jets:

Sabres board: Copp for Ristolainen

From a value POV it's ok, I don't think Ristolainen is trash or as bad as his analytics say he is, but I just see no point trading for Ristolainen assuming we sign DeMelo. We get DeMelo for no additional cost of assets and Ristolainen would cost Copp.......I would pass on that trade quickly.

Leafs board: Lowry for Kerfoot, Bracco, LV 4th Rd pick.

I like Lowry character a lot, phyiscal play is nice for a team who just lost Big Buff........but he does carry a fairly healthy cap hit for a guy who is so poor offensively. If we trade Lowry we still would have Mark, Little, Copp and Kerfoot for our centre depth.....still not a great 2C to be found but what we lack in high end 2C we do make up for in depth at centre over all four lines.......they are all decent centres some tending to be a bit more offensive, some a bit more defensive......but overall decent depth and it doesn't cost us any big piece to get Kerfoot.

Lowry has one more year at 2.9 million before UFA. His value will start to decline once we start the new season as a UFA.

Kerfoot has three more years at 3.5 million before UFA.

Little & Copp can handle the majority of the PK time, Mark helping at times. Bracco is a long shot albeit he has produced well at the AHL level.....worse case he's a good offensive add to the Moose. Plus a 4th Rd pick is ok. So I personally don't mind the Leafs trade myself albeit I know some will hate the idea of trading Lowry.


I'm vaguely surprised there hasn't been some 2C trade offers to the Jets on the main boards during this down time.

 

[Whileee]

Trades I've seen (today) on other teams boards involving the Jets:

Sabres board: Copp for Ristolainen

From a value POV it's ok, I don't think Ristolainen is trash or as bad as his analytics say he is, but I just see no point trading for Ristolainen assuming we sign DeMelo. We get DeMelo for no additional cost of assets and Ristolainen would cost Copp.......I would pass on that trade quickly.

Leafs board: Lowry for Kerfoot, Bracco, LV 4th Rd pick.

I like Lowry character a lot, phyiscal play is nice for a team who just lost Big Buff........but he does carry a fairly healthy cap hit for a guy who is so poor offensively. If we trade Lowry we still would have Mark, Little, Copp and Kerfoot for our centre depth.....still not a great 2C to be found but what we lack in high end 2C we do make up for in depth at centre over all four lines.......they are all decent centres some tending to be a bit more offensive, some a bit more defensive......but overall decent depth and it doesn't cost us any big piece to get Kerfoot.

Lowry has one more year at 2.9 million before UFA. His value will start to decline once we start the new season as a UFA.

Kerfoot has three more years at 3.5 million before UFA.

Little & Copp can handle the majority of the PK time, Mark helping at times. Bracco is a long shot albeit he has produced well at the AHL level.....worse case he's a good offensive add to the Moose. Plus a 4th Rd pick is ok. So I personally don't mind the Leafs trade myself albeit I know some will hate the idea of trading Lowry.


I'm vaguely surprised there hasn't been some 2C trade offers to the Jets on the main boards during this down time.

Both trades are bad. Risto isn't good enough for his cap hit, and I'm really high on Copp and his versatility.

The second trade is basically Lowry for Kerfoot. Lowry brings a much better defensive and PK presence to a team that needs it, and he's also an important physical presence for the Jets.

 

[BatVader]

Trades I've seen (today) on other teams boards involving the Jets:

Sabres board: Copp for Ristolainen

From a value POV it's ok, I don't think Ristolainen is trash or as bad as his analytics say he is, but I just see no point trading for Ristolainen assuming we sign DeMelo. We get DeMelo for no additional cost of assets and Ristolainen would cost Copp.......I would pass on that trade quickly.

Leafs board: Lowry for Kerfoot, Bracco, LV 4th Rd pick.

I like Lowry character a lot, phyiscal play is nice for a team who just lost Big Buff........but he does carry a fairly healthy cap hit for a guy who is so poor offensively. If we trade Lowry we still would have Mark, Little, Copp and Kerfoot for our centre depth.....still not a great 2C to be found but what we lack in high end 2C we do make up for in depth at centre over all four lines.......they are all decent centres some tending to be a bit more offensive, some a bit more defensive......but overall decent depth and it doesn't cost us any big piece to get Kerfoot.

Lowry has one more year at 2.9 million before UFA. His value will start to decline once we start the new season as a UFA.

Kerfoot has three more years at 3.5 million before UFA.

Little & Copp can handle the majority of the PK time, Mark helping at times. Bracco is a long shot albeit he has produced well at the AHL level.....worse case he's a good offensive add to the Moose. Plus a 4th Rd pick is ok. So I personally don't mind the Leafs trade myself albeit I know some will hate the idea of trading Lowry.


I'm vaguely surprised there hasn't been some 2C trade offers to the Jets on the main boards during this down time.

Personally, I’m hoping we get a 2C before the start of next season. I prefer Cirelli, and I’m ok with moving our 1st either this year or next plus for him as long as the plus isn’t one of our top 6 wingers or top 4 D.
Maybe Tampa would be interested in Lowry as a 3C, or, because of their cap issues, maybe they’d likely prefer picks and cost controlled young players and/or prospects.

I’d like to see Little moved out, maybe to Ottawa, before the next season starts. If needed, just tack a young player and pick on him.
We could also look into picking up a cheap vet LHD to rotate in the roster with Samberg on the middle pairing.

 

[Hunter368]

Possible centre targets out there could be:

Kerfoot - More offensive guy, pretty average 2C but decent 3C.

Eakin - Personally I would avoid him, afraid his decline will continue and would want too much money.

Patrick - Pass, walking injury case. Only consider if he can very cheap.

Strome - Falls into the Kerfoot group, not a great option but likely isn't going to cost a big piece to get.

Tierney - Falls into Kerfoot/Strome group, not great but likely wouldn't cost a big piece to get.

Barzal - OS dream......never happen but we can dream.

Dubois - OS dream......again never happen but we can hope.

Cirelli - OS dream/trade possibility, very unlikely but we can hope.

Make no move & roll - Little/Copp.........

 

[Hunter368]

Personally, I’m hoping we get a 2C before the start of next season. I prefer Cirelli, and I’m ok with moving our 1st either this year or next plus for him as long as the plus isn’t one of our top 6 wingers or top 4 D.
Maybe Tampa would be interested in Lowry as a 3C, or, because of their cap issues, maybe they’d likely prefer picks and cost controlled young players and/or prospects.

I’d like to see Little moved out, maybe to Ottawa, before the next season starts. If needed, just tack a young player and pick on him.
We could also look into picking up a cheap vet LHD to rotate in the roster with Samberg on the middle pairing.

Bolts wouldn't trade Lowry......for anything they can't afford his cap hit and much bigger targets to spend what cap they have available then Lowry.

Little won't be traded, he has four years left.....He's near untradable at this point and would cost a ton to get rid of so we just need to ride that train out a while longer.

I agree a bridge 1-2 year vet on LHD might be helpful that can play in the top 4 if the kids aren't ready.

 

[BatVader]

Bolts wouldn't trade Lowry......for anything they can't afford his cap hit and much bigger targets to spend what cap they have available then Lowry.

Little won't be traded, he has four years left.....He's near untradable at this point and would cost a ton to get rid of so we just need to ride that train out a while longer.

I agree a bridge 1-2 year vet on LHD might be helpful that can play in the top 4 if the kids aren't ready.

Then, in Littles case, let’s hope for a compliance buyout option due to the COVID issues this season.

 

[Hunter368]

Then, in Littles case, let’s hope for a compliance buyout option due to the COVID issues this season.

Personally I don’t think the NHL will give any covid related buyouts and even if they did allow one I highly doubt the Jets use it. Little is a perfectly fine 3rd line C/W and adds value in those roles......he’s just paid about 1.5 million too much for that production. We can manage that by building around that contract in the bottom six. IMO

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Bolts wouldn't trade Lowry......for anything they can't afford his cap hit and much bigger targets to spend what cap they have available then Lowry.

Little won't be traded, he has four years left.....He's near untradable at this point and would cost a ton to get rid of so we just need to ride that train out a while longer.

I agree a bridge 1-2 year vet on LHD might be helpful that can play in the top 4 if the kids aren't ready.

1st + Lowry 50% retained for Cirelli. Pretty sure Bolts would be very interested in Lowry for 1.5 mil.

 

[Whileee]

Possible centre targets out there could be:

Kerfoot - More offensive guy, pretty average 2C but decent 3C.

Eakin - Personally I would avoid him, afraid his decline will continue and would want too much money.

Patrick - Pass, walking injury case. Only consider if he can very cheap.

Strome - Falls into the Kerfoot group, not a great option but likely isn't going to cost a big piece to get.

Tierney - Falls into Kerfoot/Strome group, not great but likely wouldn't cost a big piece to get.

Barzal - OS dream......never happen but we can dream.

Dubois - OS dream......again never happen but we can hope.

Cirelli - OS dream/trade possibility, very unlikely but we can hope.

Make no move & roll - Little/Copp.........

Don't really see the rationale for Kerfoot, Eakin, or Tierney over Copp. Big question marks about Patrick (and Strome). Barzal and Dubois are untouchable. Cirelli would be very hard to acquire.

 

[Hunter368]

1st + Lowry 50% retained for Cirelli. Pretty sure Bolts would be very interested in Lowry for 1.5 mil.

Pretty sure other teams can beat an offer of a late 1st and Lowry at 50%......IMO

 

[Hunter368]

Don't really see the rationale for Kerfoot, Eakin, or Tierney over Copp. Big question marks about Patrick (and Strome). Barzal and Dubois are untouchable. Cirelli would be very hard to acquire.

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I’ll take that as......roll with Little/Copp as is vote.

 

[Whileee]

I’ll take that as......roll with Little/Copp as is vote.

I think it's the most realistic approach, unless they can snag Cirelli somehow. That seems doubtful.

I also think there's a chance that the Jets move Wheeler back to C, or give Roslovic a more substantial run at C. They might need to get creative...

Copp-Scheifele-Laine
Connor-Wheeler-Ehlers
Perreault-Little-Roslovic
Harkins-Lowry-Appleton

or maybe

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Ehlers-Roslovic-Laine
Copp-Lowry-Appleton
Harkins

or

Connor-Scheifele-Laine
Ehlers-Roslovic-Wheeler
Copp-Little-Appleton
etc.

 

[Hunter368]

I think it's the most realistic approach, unless they can snag Cirelli somehow. That seems doubtful.

I also think there's a chance that the Jets move Wheeler back to C, or give Roslovic a more substantial run at C. They might need to get creative...

Copp-Scheifele-Laine
Connor-Wheeler-Ehlers
Perreault-Little-Roslovic
Harkins-Lowry-Appleton

or maybe

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Ehlers-Roslovic-Laine
Copp-Lowry-Appleton
Harkins

or

Connor-Scheifele-Laine
Ehlers-Roslovic-Wheeler
Copp-Little-Appleton
etc.

No doubt it’s the most likely......I don’t think anyone doubts that. One of the above lineups are very likely, just not ideal at 2C.

Jack at 2C, I’m sure they will give it another go but I’m not holding my breath he can do it. Wheeler yes it’s possible again but as Wheeler gets older & older it wears on him more and more physically so that well is drying up year after year a bit more. Copp is sound defensively but hasn’t produced offensively over a long period of time at a 2C rate (not saying he’s bad at 2C he’s just not an ideal solution) otherwise he would be the uncontested 2C on the Jets.

 

[BatVader]

1st + Lowry 50% retained for Cirelli. Pretty sure Bolts would be very interested in Lowry for 1.5 mil.

I’d even tack a young player onto that. Niku would be preferred, but I doubt he moves the needle for Tampa.

 

[BatVader]

Personally I don’t think the NHL will give any covid related buyouts and even if they did allow one I highly doubt the Jets use it. Little is a perfectly fine 3rd line C/W and adds value in those roles......he’s just paid about 1.5 million too much for that production. We can manage that by building around that contract in the bottom six. IMO

I disagree about Little. Yes he’s over paid, but no he isn’t perfectly fine on our 3rd line... maybe on another team, but in Winnipeg he’s not a fit.

If the Jets are serious about making a cup run with this team, they need to address that 2C position this off season.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Pretty sure other teams can beat an offer of a late 1st and Lowry at 50%......IMO

It’s a #12 pick. Pretty early.

 

[Hunter368]

I disagree about Little. Yes he’s over paid, but no he isn’t perfectly fine on our 3rd line... maybe on another team, but in Winnipeg he’s not a fit.

If the Jets are serious about making a cup run with this team, they need to address that 2C position this off season.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I’m curious why you don’t think he’s a fine fit on our 3rd line. FYI, I agree that to help our chances significantly of winning a cup we need a lot better 2C option then what we have now. It’s not just about the 2C production it’s about helping everyone’s production on that line and the centre is a key role to help that.