Rumour, Trade & Free Agent Discussion

[Mortimer Snerd]

If the jets were qualified for the playoffs, would we pay a 3rd for Eakins or would it be a 4th as there were no playoff games actually played?

Good question.

 

[DRW204]

Best pairing in the league ?? You cant be serious. Top 15 maybe

i think top 15 would qualify as one of the best pairings in the league given how many D-pairing combinations there are in the league

 

[10Ducky10]

If the jets were qualified for the playoffs, would we pay a 3rd for Eakins or would it be a 4th as there were no playoff games actually played?

The Jets didn't qualify.
The only way they can do it is ppg and they didn't get in...a good year to miss the playoffs.

A lot of teams gave up 1st round picks and more and they won't play another game this season.

 

[BatVader]

The Jets didn't qualify.
The only way they can do it is ppg and they didn't get in...a good year to miss the playoffs.

A lot of teams gave up 1st round picks and more and they won't play another game this season.

This is the problem. With teams not having equal number of games played, it makes going straight into a playoffs scenario difficult.
I think, if they don’t cancel this season completely, they should play out enough games to get each team to 72... roughly 2-5 games per team. Then play out the playoffs as usual except have each round a best of 5 instead of 7.
Then next season, cancel a few things like the all star break, and maybe a classic or 2, and go with an extended season to get the 82 games in plus playoffs.... likely ending in June... maybe early July.

 

[Buffdog]

The Jets didn't qualify.
The only way they can do it is ppg and they didn't get in...a good year to miss the playoffs.

A lot of teams gave up 1st round picks and more and they won't play another game this season.

Considering we're talking .1%, there should be a one game play in

 

[Daximus]

The Jets didn't qualify.
The only way they can do it is ppg and they didn't get in...a good year to miss the playoffs.

A lot of teams gave up 1st round picks and more and they won't play another game this season.

Yeah the league still has to figure out what happens to teams that gave up first rounders for rentals. Or teams that gave up players for conditional picks based on playoffs.

 

[Whileee]

Yeah the league still has to figure out what happens to teams that gave up first rounders for rentals. Or teams that gave up players for conditional picks based on playoffs.

I can't see the NHL reversing conditions for rental trades.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Yeah the league still has to figure out what happens to teams that gave up first rounders for rentals. Or teams that gave up players for conditional picks based on playoffs.

Absolutely nothing. The league won’t do a thing.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The Jets didn't qualify.
The only way they can do it is ppg and they didn't get in...a good year to miss the playoffs.

A lot of teams gave up 1st round picks and more and they won't play another game this season.

That is the logical way to do it - but it certainly isn't the only way they could do it. They have for years resisted listing the standings like that, or in some other way adjusted for games played. They have steadfastly refused. Points is points. I wouldn't put it past them to use the official standings as they are today, Jets in WC1. Or they could go with a 24 team PO. I have no idea why they would do that, but they might.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This is the problem. With teams not having equal number of games played, it makes going straight into a playoffs scenario difficult.
I think, if they don’t cancel this season completely, they should play out enough games to get each team to 72... roughly 2-5 games per team. Then play out the playoffs as usual except have each round a best of 5 instead of 7.
Then next season, cancel a few things like the all star break, and maybe a classic or 2, and go with an extended season to get the 82 games in plus playoffs.... likely ending in June... maybe early July.

Getting to 72 games would require 1-4 games.

I think just using pts per game played is the simplest way to go about it, especially considering the time constraints they will be under. That has the disadvantage of going into PO with teams who haven't played in months. Nothing is perfect.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yeah the league still has to figure out what happens to teams that gave up first rounders for rentals. Or teams that gave up players for conditional picks based on playoffs.

I don't see any issue there. They made deals that haven't worked out for them. So what?

 

[Daximus]

I can't see the NHL reversing conditions for rental trades.

They had Bettman on TSN a few days ago and he said that they will cross that bridge when they get there. None of the teams trading for soon to be UFA's really got what they paid for. Any teams that traded for conditional picks based on playoffs aren't getting those picks now.

 

[Daximus]

Absolutely nothing. The league won’t do a thing.

Bettman has already said that the league is looking for a way to appease everyone but it will be tough. Like I said above none of the teams that traded for conditional picks will get them and all of the teams that traded for UFA's basically got nothing out of it.

 

[Daximus]

I don't see any issue there. They made deals that haven't worked out for them. So what?

Yeah but to no fault of their own. Anyone that traded a non-UFA player for a conditional pick based on playoffs is getting nothing. Bettman has already stated the league is working on something. Easy to say when you gave up nothing as a fan base or traded no one of value. Far different scenario for fans of teams that did and got a few games out of their guy or won't see the conditional pick that was basically guaranteed from playoffs teams.

 

[10Ducky10]

Bettman is asking for August dates?
Seriously?
Is he Trump's twin or something?

 

[Adam da bomb]

Yeah but to no fault of their own. Anyone that traded a non-UFA player for a conditional pick based on playoffs is getting nothing. Bettman has already stated the league is working on something. Easy to say when you gave up nothing as a fan base or traded no one of value. Far different scenario for fans of teams that did and got a few games out of their guy or won't see the conditional pick that was basically guaranteed from playoffs teams.

So do we have to give back Demelo and get our 4th back? Eakins back to Vegas for our 3rd?

 

[Whileee]

So do we have to give back Demelo and get our 4th back? Eakins back to Vegas for our 3rd?

DeMelo was for a 3rd in 2020 and Eakin was for a 4th in 2021 (upgrade to 3rd if Eakin re-signs with Jets or they make the playoffs).

 

[10Ducky10]

So do we have to give back Demelo and get our 4th back? Eakins back to Vegas for our 3rd?

Then sign them as free agents!!!!!!!!!!
Works for me...

 

[Adam da bomb]

DeMelo was for a 3rd in 2020 and Eakin was for a 4th in 2021 (upgrade to 3rd if Eakin re-signs with Jets or they make the playoffs).

So do we get our picks back if Eakins doesn’t sign?

 

[jgimp]

DeMelo was for a 3rd in 2020 and Eakin was for a 4th in 2021 (upgrade to 3rd if Eakin re-signs with Jets or they make the playoffs).

Then sign them as free agents!!!!!!!!!!
Works for me...

I would rather have had a few rounds of playoffs. The team was really starting to click and Helly was being Helly. We were on a roll and really gaining some momentum. Who knows what could have happened

If we can resign Demelo I call it a wash. Eakins ain’t resigning here. That’s a tougher one but life sucks sometimes. If we lose the pick for nothing then shit happens.

There didn’t seem to be as many true “rentals” at the TDL this year. A lot were still under contract (Skjei, Case for example).
A simple fix would be to add picks to each round to compensate to teams that gave up picks for pure rentals, basically more players getting drafted than normal. Winnipeg gets their third back this year (Demelo trade) but picks after Ottawa picks and so on and so on.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I would rather have had a few rounds of playoffs. The team was really starting to click and Helly was being Helly. We were on a roll and really gaining some momentum. Who knows what could have happened

If we can resign Demelo I call it a wash. Eakins ain’t resigning here. That’s a tougher one but life sucks sometimes. If we lose the pick for nothing then shit happens.

There didn’t seem to be as many true “rentals” at the TDL this year. A lot were still under contract (Skjei, Case for example).
A simple fix would be to add picks to each round to compensate to teams that gave up picks for pure rentals.

I’m fine with o compensation but if everyone is I’m fine with getting more picks. Also how is that fair to team who traded guys?

 

[jgimp]

I’m fine with o compensation but if everyone is I’m fine with getting more picks. Also how is that fair to team who traded guys?

For example, Ottawa got our third this year and say falls at 3 rd round, 12th pick. They get that one, we get our third back and pick immediately afterward. So 32 picks that round. Ottawa is happy and Winnipeg is happy. It would also work with all other true UFA rentals. Your essentially adding more draft picks to the draft. Might actually be the fairest the more I think of it

 

[Whileee]

So do we get our picks back if Eakins doesn’t sign?

No, we give up a 4th if Eakin doesn't re-sign, and a 3rd if he does.

I highly doubt any trade deadline trades will be altered in any meaningful way.

 

[jgimp]

No, we give up a 4th if Eakin doesn't re-sign, and a 3rd if he does.

I highly doubt any trade deadline trades will be altered in any meaningful way.

I just thought of expanding the draft for picks lost for UFAs.
Example, Peg 3rd- DeMelo
Ottawa picks with our 3rd, we pick immediately after. 3rd round is 32 pick round.
It would work with all UFAs, it just expands the draft a few picks and no one loses picks.

 

[Adam da bomb]

For example, Ottawa got our third this year and say falls at 3 rd round, 12th pick. They get that one, we get our third back and pick immediately afterward. So 32 picks that round. Ottawa is happy and Winnipeg is happy. It would also work with all other true UFA rentals. Your essentially adding more draft picks to the draft. Might actually be the fairest the more I think of it

But doesn’t that mean 4th rd is worse less as whoever would have picked there now doesn’t get their guy but picks from a pool with at least 1 guy less.