Speculation: Rumour, Trade, and Free Agent Speculation 2018-19 - Part VIII

[pateramus]

So Stone is negotiating again with Sens?
Duchen is on the table?

For a sign and trade

 

[Adam da bomb]

I'm fine with standing pat. We are the only team who has given up our 1st 3 years in a row. Unlike many ppl here I like Roslo and think he was actually better than Laine last night. He had an assist and set up Laine twice. We seem to be willing to pay as much for stone as sharks paid for Ek who is generational not just great. No way I give up Niku. I get it ppl want to win now as we are all aging and not patient. I just don't want a bottom feeder team.
We need our young guys Niku is top 4 next season. Perrault already is a passenger lets trade him.
I like our team more than anyone not named TB. I mean I'd really like a scoring Laine he's asking for too much money for one hot month and what he did last year. NHL is a what have you done for me lately league which is nothing. We overpaid for Wheeler as he has clearly lost a step.
Mo needs to try coaching before Chevy gives him new toys.
Muzzin was the right price if we had to get someone. A 1st ves and Spacek for a 1.5 vs just 20 games.

 

[gojetsgo]

I'm fine with standing pat. We are the only team who has given up our 1st 3 years in a row. Unlike many ppl here I like Roslo and think he was actually better than Laine last night. He had an assist and set up Laine twice. We seem to be willing to pay as much for stone as sharks paid for Ek who is generational not just great. No way I give up Niku. I get it ppl want to win now as we are all aging and not patient. I just don't want a bottom feeder team.
We need our young guys Niku is top 4 next season. Perrault already is a passenger lets trade him.
I like our team more than anyone not named TB. I mean I'd really like a scoring Laine he's asking for too much money for one hot month and what he did last year. NHL is a what have you done for me lately league which is nothing. We overpaid for Wheeler as he has clearly lost a step.
Mo needs to try coaching before Chevy gives him new toys.
Muzzin was the right price if we had to get someone. A 1st ves and Spacek for a 1.5 vs just 20 games.

am I missing something here?

 

[Adam da bomb]

What do we get back for Trouba? A top 4 D which we are already losing in Niku + a center prospect we are already losing in Rosie. + something else?
As we are already losing all that for Stone a winger. And ppl keep saying D are more valuable. So why are we giving up Niku?

 

[KingBogo]

am I missing something here?

No we have only traded away our 1st once at the TD. We have traded down in the 1st round at the Expansion draft, and we traded up once the year previously, but that was with our 2nd 1st round pick.

 

[Adam da bomb]

am I missing something here?

That we have given up a 1st last year for stastny one to Vegas and now one in Stone deal?

 

[gojetsgo]

That we have given up a 1st last year for stastny one to Vegas and now one in Stone deal?

we moved down in the draft and got vesa, big difference then trading it away. In the 8 drafts since we came back we've had 9 first round picks

 

[jokesondee]

Elliotte Friedman reporting that Stone and the Sens have resumed contract talks and Duchene is being shopped. Im starting to get a worst case scenario feeling. Stone stays in Ottawa, Nashville lands Duchene, and we end up with Brassard or Hayes.

 

[folix]

Elliotte Friedman reporting that Stone and the Sens have resumed contract talks and Duchene is being shopped. Im starting to get a worst case scenario feeling. Stone stays in Ottawa, Nashville lands Duchene, and we end up with Brassard or Hayes.

Of all the rumours I doubt this one the most. This could be as simple as Dorian saying to Elliotte yea we are always trying to extend these guys first.

 

[Saintb]

That’s better than overpaying.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Elliotte Friedman reporting that Stone and the Sens have resumed contract talks and Duchene is being shopped. Im starting to get a worst case scenario feeling. Stone stays in Ottawa, Nashville lands Duchene, and we end up with Brassard or Hayes.

Just gotta hope Chevy doesn't succumb to closing time desperation.

 

[Whileee]

we moved down in the draft and got vesa, big difference then trading it away. In the 8 drafts since we came back we've had 9 first round picks

Also added Armia and Dano (two previous 1sts), and Lemieux who was equivalent to a late-1st.

 

[tbcwpg]

That we have given up a 1st last year for stastny one to Vegas and now one in Stone deal?

I'm not sure you can count trading away a 1st round pick if you get another 1st back in the deal.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I wonder if, had we kept Armia, there would now be such urgency to pick up a defensively strong forward who is great on the PK and adds some scoring.

Not talking about a Stone obviously, but he would sure have filled a worrying gap.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I'm not sure you can count trading away a 1st round pick if you get another 1st back in the deal.

A much later pick. We could have had Brannstrom, Suzuki, Glass, Frost. A prospect who would set us up well for future. We hear VESA is a floater. He is in a position that doesn't help us as much.

 

[KingBogo]

A much later pick. We could have had Brannstrom, Suzuki, Glass, Frost. A prospect who would set us up well for future. We hear VESA is a floater. He is in a position that doesn't help us as much.

It doesn't make your previous point correct.

 

[tbcwpg]

A much later pick. We could have had Brannstrom, Suzuki, Glass, Frost. A prospect who would set us up well for future. We hear VESA is a floater. He is in a position that doesn't help us as much.

11 spots isn't much later. By all accounts Vesalainen was a top 10 pick on the Jets list.

 

[Adam da bomb]

It doesn't make your previous point correct.

In actual facts no. In spirit, yes. That we are getting a pretty weak prospect pool and trading for Stone only weakens it.

 

[Adam da bomb]

11 spots isn't much later. By all accounts Vesalainen was a top 10 pick on the Jets list.

No I'm just a grumpy Gus today and reports in VESA thread are not reassuring.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

A much later pick. We could have had Brannstrom, Suzuki, Glass, Frost. A prospect who would set us up well for future. We hear VESA is a floater. He is in a position that doesn't help us as much.

Yep, and when we gave up our 1st rounder, we could have had Veleno. When we moved up in the first round, we blew it on Stanley. And when the league saw fit to mess with our 1st round position, we end up with the most polarizing player in Jets' history and spawned an epic megathread that has pitted fan against fan over everything from his on ice play to his training habits and recreational choices.

The moral being, Chevy should pick where Chevy is supposed to pick or it all goes to Hell in a hand basket real fast!

 

[KingBogo]

In actual facts no. In spirit, yes. That we are getting a pretty weak prospect pool and trading for Stone only weakens it.

The main reason the Jets have a weakened prospect pool is because they have so many good young players on the roster. In all honesty there is little opportunity for our young surplus players to take the next step. We have 3 grade A prospects in Niku, Samberg and KV and none of us know if Chevy is willing to package them with a 1st.

 

[Trinity]

Elliotte Friedman reporting that Stone and the Sens have resumed contract talks and Duchene is being shopped. Im starting to get a worst case scenario feeling. Stone stays in Ottawa, Nashville lands Duchene, and we end up with Brassard or Hayes.

I think Stone negotiating again is a smokescreen.

 

[Trinity]

I'm fine with standing pat.

I'm not. This team needs a jolt.

 

[Whileee]

I'm not. This team needs a jolt.

Ehlers and a healthy Buff will give the team a jolt.

I think a 2nd tier rental like Zuccarello, Dzingel, Johansson, etc. will also be fine. If the price is exhorbitant for Stone and Duchene, or even Hayes, then the Jets should pass on them.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I'm not. This team needs a jolt.

The wound is deep enough to need surgery, not a band-aid.