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[Tobias Kahun]

How come? he is on 4 mill a year--been out a month and looks be out another week or so. The 12 games he has missed adds up to about 600k

You dont accrue cap space when into LTIR.

LTIR only allows you to exceed the cap, it doesnt reduce the cap hit.

 

[Jumptheshark]

You dont accrue cap space when into LTIR.

LTIR only allows you to exceed the cap, it doesnt reduce the cap hit.

So that means when Kane comes back and his 5.125 mill goes back on the books we will need to send 2 or 3 players down?

 

[Old Boys Club]

So that means when Kane comes back and his 5.125 mill goes back on the books we will need to send 2 or 3 players down?

Kane isn’t on LTIR, he’s on IR. Two different things

 

[Soundwave]

So that means when Kane comes back and his 5.125 mill goes back on the books we will need to send 2 or 3 players down?

Kane's 5.125 is on the books right now, he's not on LTIR just IR.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Bob Stauffer in 2nd intermission - "Do the Oilers need to look for a right handed top 4 defender? It could be a top 4 left handed defender at some point down the line".

 

[Soundwave]

Bob Stauffer in 2nd intermission - "Do the Oilers need to look for a right handed top 4 defender? It could be a top 4 left handed defender at some point down the line".

We have the 2nd lowest goals against in the NHL since the 3rd game of the season (Cup hangover). That's with Emberson and Stetcher who people swore up and down would cause our D to collapse. Well it hasn't collapsed, from about game 3 of the season it's allowing the 2nd lowest GA/G I believe (2.4 GA/G).

I mean I'm not really sure it's a smart idea to spend huge on this.

Even a TJ Brodie (I know some people will flip their lid) would be fine, our D is Knob/Coffey's systems play it's not about individuals. He is a left shot D that plays the right side primarily.

In our system, a Brodie would probably look fine especially on the bottom pair.

 

[TheNumber4]

We have the 2nd lowest goals against in the NHL since the 3rd game of the season (Cup hangover). That's with Emberson and Stetcher who people swore up and down would cause our D to collapse. Well it hasn't collapsed, from about game 3 of the season it's allowing the 2nd lowest GA/G I believe (2.4 GA/G).

I mean I'm not really sure it's a smart idea to spend huge on this.

Even a TJ Brodie (I know some people will flip their lid) would be fine, our D is Knob/Coffey's systems play it's not about individuals. He is a left shot D that plays the right side primarily.

In our system, a Brodie would probably look fine especially on the bottom pair.

I said the same. But my conclusion is different.

We defend well as a TEAM. Emberson and Stecher who would be viewed league wide as 3rd pair guys can play Top 4 in the Elite Knob system we have. It propped up a bad Ceci, and it’s propping up decent guys like Emberson/Stecher.

So why are we so worried about D and targeting a “safe, shutdown guy” when we know we can already defend well aaa TEAM.

What we need is IMPACT from the 2nd pair. Not just survival.

What we saw Bouch do to make impacts all playoffs long with Coffeys mentorship to win us games and put up generational numbers, we should want to replicate that on the 2nd pair.

A Skilled Right Handed Defenceman that can score goals and make plays. You put that on this team, we will be dominant.

 

[foshizzle]

I said the same. But my conclusion is different.

We defend well as a TEAM. Emberson and Stecher who would be viewed league wide as 3rd pair guys can play Top 4 in the Elite Knob system we have. It propped up a bad Ceci, and it’s propping up decent guys like Emberson/Stecher.

So why are we so worried about D and targeting a “safe, shutdown guy” when we know we can already defend well aaa TEAM.

What we need is IMPACT from the 2nd pair. Not just survival.

What we saw Bouch do to make impacts all playoffs long with Coffeys mentorship to win us games and put up generational numbers, we should want to replicate that on the 2nd pair.

A Skilled Right Handed Defenceman that can score goals and make plays. You put that on this team, we will be dominant.

Nurse excels when he has a partner that can retrieve the puck with success, can exit the zone with success, and deny entry to the zone- basically one who plays transition defence well. Stetcher’s analytics the last 3 seasons shows he does this well. Last time Nurse had a partner like this was Ethan Bear. His partner doesn’t need to be an elite shutdown guy, like I’ve said many times. Just a guy who can get the puck going the right way

I said the same. But my conclusion is different.

We defend well as a TEAM. Emberson and Stecher who would be viewed league wide as 3rd pair guys can play Top 4 in the Elite Knob system we have. It propped up a bad Ceci, and it’s propping up decent guys like Emberson/Stecher.

So why are we so worried about D and targeting a “safe, shutdown guy” when we know we can already defend well aaa TEAM.

What we need is IMPACT from the 2nd pair. Not just survival.

What we saw Bouch do to make impacts all playoffs long with Coffeys mentorship to win us games and put up generational numbers, we should want to replicate that on the 2nd pair.

A Skilled Right Handed Defenceman that can score goals and make plays. You put that on this team, we will be dominant.

A right shutdown D is the exact opposite of what we need- I agree.

Money.

One could argue he has enough and has his buy-out money, but we aren't using him in the way I think he envisioned, likely expected some McDrai time and he needs to put up stats for his next contract, which requires a more offensive role.

If Jeff's primary interest was winning I think we would of tried getting traded from one of the many bad teams he was on and he likely would of tried learning better defensive hockey from one of his many coaches he had over the years.

Though in saying this I acknowledge that he finally took some defensive strides with us, but it seems like Knob forced it on him relegating him to a 4th line role till he had a base competency level and fit within the general structure of our system.

This hurts. Poor asset management because they could have matched Holloway is they didn’t sign Skinner.

 

[TheNumber4]

Nurse excels when he has a partner that can retrieve the puck with success, can exit the zone with success, and deny entry to the zone- basically one who plays transition defence well. Stetcher’s analytics the last 3 seasons shows he does this well. Last time Nurse had a partner like this was Ethan Bear. His partner doesn’t need to be an elite shutdown guy, like I’ve said many times. Just a guy who can get the puck going the right way


A right shutdown D is the exact opposite of what we need- I agree.

I agree. But here’s the caveat with Stecher, as it was with Bear. When the giants of the Panthers forecheck comes crashing down on you, can you rely on their size to eat that pressure and make the play?

Stecher has been great. I’m a fan. But we need better and bigger. And while Kulak can work in a pinch, we sacrifice from the 3rd pair to make that happen.

A skilled playmaking, goal scoring RHD that can navigate forecheck pressure is what I want.

 

[McAsuno]

Bob Stauffer in 2nd intermission - "Do the Oilers need to look for a right handed top 4 defender? It could be a top 4 left handed defender at some point down the line".

Gimme K'Andre Miller.
Unless they can shoot for the moon and acquire Byram. I'd be happy with either.

 

[foshizzle]

You’re right. By not good enough I am including not consistent enough. When Skinner is on his game I think he’s a perfectly capable goalie. Probably won’t steal you many games but won’t lose you many. But he’s off far too often to not have another option behind him that isn’t better than Pickard.


Canuck fans think their players are more important than they are.

The thing I hate about Skinner is his poor anticipation- and I put that to coaching. When the puck moves from beside the net to out in front- he doesn’t get set and top of his crease. Happened today against San Jose. Dubnyk in a podcast mentioned the same thing. I wish the Oilers weren’t married to Schwartz and brought in a guy like Roli who actually played in the league.

 

[TheNumber4]

The thing I hate about Skinner is his poor anticipation- and I put that to coaching. When the puck moves from beside the net to out in front- he doesn’t get set and top of his crease. Happened today against San Jose. Dubnyk in a podcast mentioned the same thing. I wish the Oilers weren’t married to Schwartz and brought in a guy like Roli who actually played in the league.

Skinner just had his first offseason working with Goalie Guru Francillia. Francillia himself said the first step in their training is to unlearn things, and that takes a lot of time and takes a lot of reps. So if you wanted Skinner to get UnSchwartzed, we got a chance here, but we will need to give Skinner time to adjust to new lessons.

 

[McAsuno]

Skinner just had his first offseason working with Goalie Guru Francillia. Francillia himself said the first step in their training is to unlearn things, and that takes a lot of time and takes a lot of reps. So if you wanted Skinner to get UnSchwartzed, we got a chance here, but we will need to give Skinner time to adjust to new lessons.

Gotta cut the head off the snake first aka blowhard Schwartz.

 

[TheNumber4]

Gotta cut the head off the snake first aka blowhard Schwartz.

Lol yeh or that. But I think Helly and Vasy have a team coach as well as the extra coach in Francillia. So it’s possible two tutors can coexist I guess.

 

[BarDownBobo]

What are your F lines when Kane is back and we are healthy?

Does Kapanen go back on waivers when Arvy is healthy?

If they manage to get fully healthy at some point I’d imagine the plan right now would be shift RNH back to center, reunite Janmark-Henrique-Brown as the “4th line”(knowing well they’ll get more ice time than a handful of guys above them), and then mix and match the rest of the wing spots. Kapanen’s play so far has earned him a regular spot in the lineup for me at least, his speed is impactful and is lessening the loss of Foegle, McLeod and Holloway. Plus he’s starting to get into the PK mix. I’d look at something like this maybe:

Skinner-McDavid-Hyman
Podkolzin-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Kane-RNH-Kapanen
Janmark-Henrique-Brown
Perry

Skinner is the big question mark, it seems like his game is coming around lately but he’s still got a ways to go. If he still hasn’t clicked like they had hoped come February I do wonder if they’ll talk to him about a change of scenery. H’d be well within his rights to refuse and ride it out to break the playoff drought but he’s also making his next summer significantly more difficult with how it’s gone here so far. He might be open to a move to a bubble team where he would feature more prominently in the offense to show he’s still got it. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that though.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

This hurts. Poor asset management because they could have matched Holloway is they didn’t sign Skinner.

Yeah I was definitely on team match.

I'm curious on how good Paul Fischer is, I thought he was a random throw in prospect, but he was good enough to make the WJC squad, hopefully there is a silver lining to what on its face seemed stupid.

 

[Fourier]

Kane isn’t on LTIR, he’s on IR. Two different things

Kane is on LTIR. But the Oilers are not using any of the additional space he would create so when he comes back they simply add him to the roster and do not need to do anything further.

 

[TheNumber4]

What's my buddy EK65 up to tonight. Just casual elite playmaking:

COL@PIT: Bunting scores goal against Scott Wedgewood | NHL.com

COL@PIT: Bunting scores goal against Scott Wedgewood

www.nhl.com

Oh and getting pumped by the Avs... must be getting sick of it over there in Pitts. Only so many seasons left to win a Cup. Time to call Dubas and ask for a favor that can help them both.

 

[Spawn]

What's my buddy EK65 up to tonight. Just casual elite playmaking:

COL@PIT: Bunting scores goal against Scott Wedgewood | NHL.com

COL@PIT: Bunting scores goal against Scott Wedgewood

www.nhl.com

Oh and getting pumped by the Avs... must be getting sick of it over there in Pitts. Only so many seasons left to win a Cup. Time to call Dubas and ask for a favor that can help them both.

Basically have to get 50% retention on him though. And send Kane back (which requires his blessing). With both of those requirements one does wonder what the cost would be.

There is certainly something alluring about him still. Although it’s tough to look past the fact that over the past three seasons he’s been on the ice for the most 5v5 goals against in the league.

Would be a test of Knobs system lol.

 

[TheNumber4]

Basically have to get 50% retention on him though. And send Kane back (which requires his blessing). With both of those requirements one does wonder what the cost would be.

There is certainly something alluring about him still. Although it’s tough to look past the fact that over the past three seasons he’s been on the ice for the most 5v5 goals against in the league.

Would be a test of Knobs system lol.

We would. Pens fans would say yes to that for a picks package, and I wonder if Dubas who traded for a guy that wanted to be on a contender might do him a solid, while getting his retool going in the process. With accrual I don’t know think Kane would need to go. Maybe $1M buried though.

If Emberson, Stecher, Vinny, and Ceci can survive/thrive in Knobs system. I can’t see a guy with EK65’s ability and hockey IQ not doing the same. Atleast being average defensively in this system while being helped by a surging Nurse. Then we benefit from his ability to make impact plays in the playoffs like we benefited from Bouch all playoffs. I think EK65 is a gamer and will bring it when finally given a chance on a real playoffs team. The last 4 times he’s been in the playoffs he was near point per game. And this time he’ll be hungrier.

 

[Spawn]

We would. Pens fans would say yes to that for a picks package, and I wonder if Dubas who traded for a guy that wanted to be on a contender might do him a solid, while getting his retool going in the process. With accrual I don’t know think Kane would need to go. Maybe $1M buried though.

If Emberson, Stecher, Vinny, and Ceci can survive/thrive in Knobs system. I can’t see a guy with EK65’s ability and hockey IQ not doing the same. Atleast being average defensively in this system while being helped by a surging Nurse. Then we benefit from his ability to make impact plays in the playoffs like we benefited from Bouch all playoffs. I think EK65 is a gamer and will bring it when finally given a chance on a real playoffs team. The last 4 times he’s been in the playoffs he was near point per game. And this time he’ll be hungrier.

He was also 28 the last time he was in the playoffs. He’s 34 now.

I find the idea entertaining because how could you not? But I’m not sold it’s actually a good idea haha.

I also don’t think you can make it work without Kane going back. Especially next season once Bouchard gets his raise.

 

[Fourier]

He was also 28 the last time he was in the playoffs. He’s 34 now.

I find the idea entertaining because how could you not? But I’m not sold it’s actually a good idea haha.

I also don’t think you can make it work without Kane going back. Especially next season once Bouchard gets his raise.

Actually the more challenging part may be this year. Friedman was speculating on the cap going to $95-97M which would be reasonable given revenues. Bettman threw a slight bit of cold water on that but did not rule it out completely. In that range the Oilers would probably be able to afford both Kane and EK at 50%. This year though, unless someone is on LTIR it would be tough. They could move J. Skinner and make it work if they waived Perry, Kapanen or Brown and replace Ryan with Philp. But that is a lot of moving parts. It might make more sense to make a move for EK in the off season rather than this year if he was a target.

Honestly, right now I am completely unsure of what the Oilers plan should be. As @Soundwave points out after their 3 game debacle at the start of the year this team has been third best in the league in GA/gm even with shaky goaltending at times. At full strength they can go with many combinations that give them balance forwards. Adding an impact player would be great, but where that player plays is up in the air for me right now.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Actually the more challenging part may be this year. Friedman was speculating on the cap going to $95-97M which would be reasonable given revenues. Bettman threw a slight bit of cold water on that but did not rule it out completely. In that range the Oilers would probably be able to afford both Kane and EK at 50%. This year though, unless someone is on LTIR it would be tough. They could move J. Skinner and make it work if they waived Perry, Kapanen or Brown and replace Ryan with Philp. But that is a lot of moving parts. It might make more sense to make a move for EK in the off season rather than this year if he was a target.

Honestly, right now I am completely unsure of what the Oilers plan should be. As @Soundwave points out after their 3 game debacle at the start of the year this team has been third best in the league in GA/gm even with shaky goaltending at times. At full strength they can go with many combinations that give them balance forwards. Adding an impact player would be great, but where that player plays is up in the air for me right now.

Honestly yada yada yada Fourier. I look to you for logical insightful posts. Where are you?

Karlsson -- average defensively lol. The skating (when he is healthy) blinds everybody. But he is older now and his body is breaking.

"The coaches are after me so hard to get back first and close my gaps. I'm going to give it a try. Gives it a try. Later on the bench he is sitting there...he has been hit along the defensive half wall, somebody elbowed his ribs in the corner, he is out of breath, feeling a bit tired in the legs. Right then and there he vowed never to do that again."

Knobs system is working. Erik doesn't fit (unless your replacing most of Bouchards time with Erik) and that given age differences and health considerations would be foolish. Bouchard and Erik both on the right? Suddenly our goalies would look like dog shyte cause if I'm the opposing coach im not rushing the puck i'm having the forwards hammer it to that corner all night and forechecking hard.

3rd best in the league. Not good enough. Not this year. I know we have Kane and RV coming back. A bottom six addition, or possibly two, a 3rd pair defender quality experienced to spell Emberson, a better backup to Skinner. None of these are expensive or hard to find and we can ship out or waive the money.

By the way Noah Philps last game. A goal, an assist, a plus 3 in a 3-5 loss. I never watched the game but doesn't this indicate an improvement in his two way game. Maybe we should give him a 3 game try again soon -- not sure we want him feeling like he is spinning his wheels for nothing down there. This is the kind of thing that attracts pro scouts. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a couple of opposing teams pro scouts in the stand during Bakersfield next game.

 

[stewy04]

What are your F lines when Kane is back and we are healthy?

Does Kapanen go back on waivers when Arvy is healthy?

I kinda like a 4th line of podkolzen, kapenen and

not if they want to keep accumulating cap space he isn't.

If the team is 100% healthy, which is a BIG if, these guys are in the top 12.

McDavid
Hyman
RNH
Draisaitl
Arviddson
Podkolzin
Henrique
Kane
J. Skinner
Janmark
D. Ryan
C. Brown


If the team is going to go with 12 forwards in order, and no F in the press box, in order to make some cap room, then that leaves no room for Perry or Kapanen.

Philp may get swapped with D. Ryan because they both play C. Injuries happen, so who knows if they ever even get to this point, but if they do, there is no room for Kapanen without making some kind of move.

I like the idea of pod, philp, and kapenen together. Fast hard 4th line? Our depth is crazy on forward. Best lineup since 1990.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Yeah I was definitely on team match.

I'm curious on how good Paul Fischer is, I thought he was a random throw in prospect, but he was good enough to make the WJC squad, hopefully there is a silver lining to what on its face seemed stupid.

I'll admit i have never seen Paul play. Wish we had stuck out for the other Fischer Lukas--very two way and can skate hard if need be. Paul is the defensive type -- maybe this is an indication of sliding the rule to a more defensive structure in the future. Would Stan have sat with Jeff and Knob and talked about what we want our team to be in the future and how we want to play and what kind of player we should get back in the deal--cause that is something you could respect and certainly anti-Hollandesque.

It hurts me that we didn't match on Hollow. When we drafted him i knew right away it would take him time to develop but he is the kind of player i would love. I will continue to follow him and hope he becomes a star alongside Bob Tom.