Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Y'all Got Any Good Goalies?

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Stauffer says he sees the Oilers trading for a player who can play the top 4 on the right side, is left handed and is more of a puckmover than a shutdown Dman..

"but I'm not going to say who" - Bob Stauffer

DUDE JUST TELL US
 

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They went right back to Skinner even after Pickard won. What does that tell you?

And Pickard didn't see the net again, even after being down 3-0 in the final.
He was thrown in, in relief. Then put up 2 decent performances. To me, we used our backup properly then decided to go back to Stu. We won that series with those types of adjustments and Pickard did his job.
 

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Stauffer says he sees the Oilers trading for a player who can play the top 4 on the right side, is left handed and is more of a puckmover than a shutdown Dman..

"but I'm not going to say who" - Bob Stauffer

DUDE JUST TELL US
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Mike Grier actually won a trade.

That should tell you how bad it was for Colorado.

Stauffer says he sees the Oilers trading for a player who can play the top 4 on the right side, is left handed and is more of a puckmover than a shutdown Dman..

"but I'm not going to say who" - Bob Stauffer

DUDE JUST TELL US
Matheson or Fowler, pretty obvious.
 

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Could pick out so many of those sub .900 games from $5M+ goalies too in the playoffs. $10M Bob has a nice collection of them.

At 2.6M we shouldn’t be expecting anything near perfection. We budgeted for good enough cause of the Campbell F up, that’s what we got. Actually considering the extensions we are seeing in the Goalie market, we are budgeting for below average starter level, and Stu has shown he can provide average or better depending on the month.
i agree, Skinner is far from perfect, but at 2.6 per, he gives you a great game about 25% of the time, average/adequate game about 25%, good about 25%, and not good enough about 25%. Great goaltending is all about consistency, the big money goalies are good on a more consistent basis than the lower paid goalies, usually. Even high paid goalies sometimes go into the tank, as people say, goalies are voodoo. Skinner is more than worth his deal, this year got off to a rough start, but he's bounced back nicely. People expecting Stu to be Hasek or Price, are always going to be disappointed. The Oilers don't have money for a top 10 goalie, so why should we expecting to have one? If you want to be upset at someone, be upset at how Holland built this team and how much they left for the goalies, it's not much. Stu makes less than the league average salary, and wayyyyyyyy less than the league average for a #1 goalie, which based on his last 2 plus seasons, he clearly is. People need to adjust their expectations. I believe they could use a 2nd Skinner level goalie, that is in the same pay range and skill level. I liked the idea of Blackwood, age wise, skill wise, even the salary wasn't too bad. He's off the table now, they team needs to keep looking for that upgrade, luckily, Pickard has done a nice job in his role, again, worth every penny he makes.
 
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Mike Grier actually won a trade.

That should tell you how bad it was for Colorado.


Matheson or Fowler, pretty obvious.

To be fair, you couldn't pay me enough to take Georgiev. Bad goalie, headcase, potential lockerroom cancer.

Still good value for the Sharks for sure. I would have been pissed if the Oilers outbid them (not saying they even tried) and sent back Skinner
 
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Detroit still has Cossa up...wonder if they try to work him into a couple of games before they send him back down?
So they have Talbot, Husso (getting paid), Lyon and next year probably Cossa.
Maybe after Husso gets another couple of games in they would part with Talbot (old but still good lol) signed this year and next. Yzerman probably wouldnt mind tanking a little bit given where they are now.
 

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If he turns around their glaring goaltending issue then no it wasn’t bad. Their cup window is the same as ours.

To be fair, you couldn't pay me enough to take Georgiev. Bad goalie, headcase, potential lockerroom cancer.

Still good value for the Sharks for sure. I would have been pissed if the Oilers outbid them (not saying they even tried) and sent back Skinner

The Oilers equivalent is something like Savoie, Skinner and a 2nd. If you’re going with that package it should probably be for someone with more than 20 games of good play.
 

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He was thrown in, in relief. Then put up 2 decent performances. To me, we used our backup properly then decided to go back to Stu. We won that series with those types of adjustments and Pickard did his job.

It's not what we were debating. He isn't winning us a cup. See Ty Conklin /Jussi Markkannen
 
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Stauffer says he sees the Oilers trading for a player who can play the top 4 on the right side, is left handed and is more of a puckmover than a shutdown Dman..

"but I'm not going to say who" - Bob Stauffer

DUDE JUST TELL US
It's Matheson or Provorov.

But Matheson actually plays right side with Montreal on the regular, so I'm thinking it's that.
 

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The Oilers equivalent is something like Savoie, Skinner and a 2nd. If you’re going with that package it should probably be for someone with more than 20 games of good play.
Georgiev is even worse than Skinner and I’m not big on Kovalenko.

It’s a risk no doubt but they are a powerhouse if they get good goaltending. They know this.
 
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It's not what we were debating. He isn't winning us a cup. See Ty Conklin /Jussi Markkannen
I was replying to this part: "There is no chance you can rely on him if there is an injury or Skinner falters."

Game 7 of SCF finals means we did get 99% of the way there with that tandem. That has to count for something in this analysis.
 

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i agree, Skinner is far from perfect, but at 2.6 per, he gives you a great game about 25% of the time, average/adequate game about 25%, good about 25%, and not good enough about 25%. Great goaltending is all about consistency, the big money goalies are good on a more consistent basis than the lower paid goalies, usually. Even high paid goalies sometimes go into the tank, as people say, goalies are voodoo. Skinner is more than worth his deal, this year got off to a rough start, but he's bounced back nicely. People expecting Stu to be Hasek or Price, are always going to be disappointed. The Oilers don't have money for a top 10 goalie, so why should we expecting to have one? If you want to be upset at someone, be upset at how Holland built this team and how much they left for the goalies, it's not much. Stu makes less than the league average salary, and wayyyyyyyy less than the league average for a #1 goalie, which based on his last 2 plus seasons, he clearly is. People need to adjust their expectations. I believe they could use a 2nd Skinner level goalie, that is in the same pay range and skill level. I liked the idea of Blackwood, age wise, skill wise, even the salary wasn't too bad. He's off the table now, they team needs to keep looking for that upgrade, luckily, Pickard has done a nice job in his role, again, worth every penny he makes.
Yup. I would agree with everything here. Including Blackwood being the only decent option out there, but he's now gone. So we are looking at a bunch of dice rolls or pipe dreams (Sheshterkin or whoever in the elite money range).

We have a team that features the 2 best players in the League. Plus Bouchard coming up as another superstar that will need to get paid. The reality is, our budget doesn't allow for us to be looking at more expensive guys especially after the Campbell fiasco. 2.6M for Skinner is not a bad deal considering.
 

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Could pick out so many of those sub .900 games from $5M+ goalies too in the playoffs. $10M Bob has a nice collection of them.

At 2.6M we shouldn’t be expecting anything near perfection. We budgeted for good enough cause of the Campbell F up, that’s what we got. Actually considering the extensions we are seeing in the Goalie market, we are budgeting for below average starter level, and Stu has shown he can provide average or better depending on the month.
This is exactly it. He was thrown into a starter's role at 24 because the team's big gamble in goal failed almost straight out of the gate.

Reality is that this is one of the few drafted and developed goalies the Oilers have seen emerge into a permanent role. He's 26 and already has two 50+ start seasons and two deep playoff runs.

Go out and get a guy willing to split starts with Stu. A guy that can cover a 40 game workload without breaking a sweat. But trading Stu for an 'upgrade'. That would be an idiotic, locker room shaking move that could very easily blow up in your face as the GM of a team that isn't struggling.
 

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Betting a generational player's prime years on some of the cheapest goaltending in the league isn't smart, it's not even like we're using that money for great depth, just wasted/dead cap.
I don’t think this org understands it. They won’t draft top tier goalie prospects in the draft, they never develop these guys, they’re never there in free agency. Should be drafting these goalies, now the only option is run with subpar goaltending or make a big trade.

You’re totally right though, when you have McDrai your mission should be to have an elite goalie. Were like 8-9 years overdue damn it.

Skinner has his moments but MAN.. his slumps are so bad, you never know if he’s gonna be the worst goalie in the league in a given month. That’s a massive risk in the playoffs.
 
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Stauffer says he sees the Oilers trading for a player who can play the top 4 on the right side, is left handed and is more of a puckmover than a shutdown Dman..

"but I'm not going to say who" - Bob Stauffer

DUDE JUST TELL US

Based on all the recent tampering stuff I don't think I want Stauffer naming anyone. The Rangers were given a pass on it because of course they were, but the league will be just itching to punish the first Canadian team that even looks the wrong way at a player under contract.
 

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Yup. I would agree with everything here. Including Blackwood being the only decent option out there, but he's now gone. So we are looking at a bunch of dice rolls or pipe dreams (Sheshterkin or whoever in the elite money range).

We have a team that features the 2 best players in the League. Plus Bouchard coming up as another superstar that will need to get paid. The reality is, our budget doesn't allow for us to be looking at more expensive guys especially after the Campbell fiasco. 2.6M for Skinner is not a bad deal considering.
I'd be down for another try on Talbot. We are a whole different team defensively today compared to when we moved on from him. Good stats on a bad Wings team. Lyon is good there too. They've got to be a bit cheaper than Blackwood was.

Edit: to be clear, I'm talking about keeping Skinner and adding someone like this
 

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I'd be down for another try on Talbot. Good stats on a bad Wings team. Lyon is good there too. They've got to be a bit cheaper than Blackwood was.
37 years old and out with injury. History of mental weakness in our market. But yeh maybe it would be a viable dice roll, it's still a dice roll though.
 

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37 years old and out with injury. History of mental weakness in our market. But yeh maybe it would be a viable dice roll, it's still a dice roll though.
goalies age better. I didn't know about the injury. That is concerning but maybe the team could have him checked out first if he gets back in time to be traded
 

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