Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Y'all Got Any Good Goalies?

[bobbythebrain]

The game against Vegas is textbook example of the type of games the Oilers almost always lose. Niether team giving an inch. Except one team has a goaltender that doesn't allow the winning goal. Skinner is not it folks.

Umm what? Did you see the quality of shots?

The save on Hertl was by far the best save of the game, and Skinny had a few more saves harder than anything Hill had to make that game

And as for the goal it wasn't even a shot. It was a failed pass...so that's kinda like the equivalent of when McD does that no look pass to Drai and dmen and goalies continue to fall for it

 

[TheNumber4]

Also, I loathe to do this because I hate cherry picking stats like this, but I think the fact that they occurred at the same time the last two years indicates a certain consistency.

Take out the first 5 Skinner starts over the past two years - what do those numbers look like then?

It isn't excusable and its something he needs to figure out before next year (like half the damn team), but Skinner is more or less incapable of playing at an NHL level in October, but then gets going after that. He's probably .910+ after his scheduled garbage play to start each year.

Still need a redundancy that isn't Pickard in case he randomly craters again at the wrong time, but he plays well after he embarrasses himself to start each year. It isn't an emergency or even a need to replace him.

I understand what you are saying. You can’t really cherry pick stats, but there’s value to considering it like you have.

I don’t think anyone would disagree at this point that the Oilers themselves always start out slow out the gate. Even McD and Drai we were all complaining about. The theory was Cup hangover for the entire team this year. The year before that the theory was they went to camp too early. Regardless, the Oilers start slow and start to find their game in December-January and on. Goaltending might go along with that as well.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Overdrive while a bunch of Oilers hating, Leaf ass sniffing clowns, aren’t rumor mongers. This is probably legit.

Guessing Marner extension.

 

[McTonyBrar]

The game against Vegas is textbook example of the type of games the Oilers almost always lose. Niether team giving an inch. Except one team has a goaltender that doesn't allow the winning goal. Skinner is not it folks.

Did you see the goal even?

 

[TheNumber4]

Umm what? Did you see the quality of shots?

The save on Hertl was by far the best save of the game, and Skinny had a few more saves harder than anything Hill had to make that game

And as for the goal it wasn't even a shot. It was a failed pass...so that's kinda like the equivalent of when McD does that no look pass to Drai and dmen and goalies continue to fall for it

This is true. I was told Hertl just shot the puck into Stu’s glove though… so that save doesn’t count.

Guessing Marner extension.

Actually that makes sense. They usually don’t have much inside lines towards moves unless it’s Leafs related, like if Matthews changed up his favorite cereal brand.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Pretty sure people are more mad that other teams are atleast trying to improve while we sit around and do fk all

People seemed pretty happen July 1st that the oilers took steps to add to the team.


Then when they were wrong ones they turned on them.

Blackwood is just barely better than Georgiev.

Skinner is also a game or two away from having a .900 save percentage.

 

[OilerTyler]

The game against Vegas is textbook example of the type of games the Oilers almost always lose. Niether team giving an inch. Except one team has a goaltender that doesn't allow the winning goal. Skinner is not it folks.

I still don't understand how people watched that game and came out with the idea that our goaltender was the problem. We literally got shut out.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

I'm not against replacing Skinner with a clear upgrade.
But MacBlack ain't a clear enough upgrade.

Goalies on shitty teams that are roughly equal or better than Blackwood and possibly available by the deadline, but just likely not yet available because these shitty teams still think they might be able to do something:

- Gibson
- Reimer
- Husso
- Lyon
-Talbot
- Forsberg
- Nedjelkovic
- Vejmelka
- Ingram

Half these goalies are worse than Skinner, and a few are probably considered cap dumps.


Talbot might be one of the better ones on this list, but then I remember how he let in the first shot like 10 times in a single season to punch his ticket out of town.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

The only team with worse goaltending than us was Colorado and they did something about it… twice. Skinner has been trash all season but 2 good weeks and the problem is solved?

I’m willing to bet Colorados goaltending duo blows ours out of the water and it won’t even be close.

 

[TheGingaNinja]

I'm not against replacing Skinner with a clear upgrade.
But MacBlack ain't a clear enough upgrade.



Half these goalies are worse than Skinner, and a few are probably considered cap dumps.


Talbot might be one of the better ones on this list, but then I remember how he let in the first shot like 10 times in a single season to punch his ticket out of town.

To be fair, I believe he was alluding to upgrading on Pickard as a 1b with these guys, and not a direct upgrade on Skinner himself.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

To be fair, I believe he was alluding to upgrading on Pickard as a 1b with these guys, and not a direct upgrade on Skinner himself.

Ahhh

Pick is fine.

I'd rather upgrade Skinner, but not breaking the bank for it.
O-Rod likely takes that spot a some point

 

[K1984]

I'm not against replacing Skinner with a clear upgrade.
But MacBlack ain't a clear enough upgrade.



Half these goalies are worse than Skinner, and a few are probably considered cap dumps.


Talbot might be one of the better ones on this list, but then I remember how he let in the first shot like 10 times in a single season to punch his ticket out of town.

I don't need them to be better than Skinner, just looking for a better backup than Pickard that could conceivably take over in the playoffs should Skinner crater or get injured.

Thinking that a clear upgrade on Skinner is A) actually available and B) available for not a massive, massive cost is a fool's errand.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I still don't understand how people watched that game and came out with the idea that our goaltender was the problem. We literally got shut out.

lol exactly.

It’s impossible to win a game when you score zero goals but somehow it’s still the goalies fault.

 

[TheNumber4]

I still don't understand how people watched that game and came out with the idea that our goaltender was the problem. We literally got shut out.

1GAA…… I couldn’t believe it either.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Why do people keep shitting on Skinner for the Vegas game? He can’t score a goal for us.

Plus there’s countless other games skinner has been absolute dog shit in that you can harp on him for.

 

[Fourier]

Are people suggesting that the Oilers should have traded Skinner + for Blackwood? Or would it have been Pickard +. In the latter case you are adding $1.5M on the cap so that eats up all the accrued space at it is probably the teams big move for the year. For me that would be a massive disappointment. Maybe you make that deal at the deadline if you can get 50% retention at a reasonable price so you still have options. In the former case, I see no reason to do that. Blackwell may not even be an upgrade on Skinner. Adding assets to make this deal would have been bad management.

The thing that I am bothered by with Skinner is his inconsistency. The Oilers win almost any game where the goalie has a sv% that is league average or better. There is a stat known as quality starts that looks at the percentage of starts that hit this level. It is a useful measure of consistency. Here are the numbers for the two goalies over the last four years

Skinner:

2024-25 .566
2023-24 .614
2022-23 .604
2021-22 .500

Blackwood

2024-25 .588
2023-24 .585
2022-23 .550
2021-22 .375

Even this year where Blackwood's numbers seem better there is no big difference in consistency. But in the past, Skinner has been the more consistent goalie by this measure.

Sorokin is a guy mentioned in this thread. His QS% has been over .700 in all but one season for comparison.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I kind of would not have given up Philp...

Also, Kovalenko got moved down the lineup because injured players have come back. The guy is close to becoming a top six winger. I think it would've taken more from our end to get Blackwood


Wow you really do have FOMO don't you? Seems more like you want to lick every goalies nuts except Skinners

You flip flop more than a fish though. You will crap on a guy and now that skinner has played 2/3 good games, it's all good lol

Even if he goes red hot he will barely be at league average

Some people call it FOMO

In my world, we fall this having STANDARDS

I don't like we'll below standards

Imagine getting crapped on for not loving a guy with 1980s goalie stats

 

[bobbythebrain]

The only team with worse goaltending than us was Colorado and they did something about it… twice. Skinner has been trash all season but 2 good weeks and the problem is solved?

I’m willing to bet Colorados goaltending duo blows ours out of the water and it won’t even be close.

Ummm. Boston??

And we're not paying Skinner 8mil

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Ahhh

Pick is fine.

I'd rather upgrade Skinner, but not breaking the bank for it.
O-Rod likely takes that spot a some point

I think they only upgrade on skinner if they feel they can somehow hit some homerun (saros) which isn't happening

I want a pickard upgrade and I see that upgrade taking over the starters role eventually

 

[McTonyBrar]

I'm not against replacing Skinner with a clear upgrade.
But MacBlack ain't a clear enough upgrade.



Half these goalies are worse than Skinner, and a few are probably considered cap dumps.


Talbot might be one of the better ones on this list, but then I remember how he let in the first shot like 10 times in a single season to punch his ticket out of town.

Lol... Talbot.. Are you guys for real?

 

[Perfect_Drug]

I don't need them to be better than Skinner, just looking for a better backup than Pickard that could conceivably take over in the playoffs should Skinner crater or get injured.

Thinking that a clear upgrade on Skinner is A) actually available and B) available for not a massive, massive cost is a fool's errand.

I think Pickard is also alright. Dunno.

I find goalies to be voodoo, and difficult to properly assess when they transfer to another organization, with another defensive system and personnel. Ullmark faultering in Ottawa isn't a shock to me.

Jack Campbell shouldn't have been as bad as he was, he put up some respectable numbers in Toronto before shitting the bed here.

I don't think MacBlack is a significant upgrade on George but what do I know?


The one MAJOR swing that still intrigues me is John Gibson. If we could get him at double retention he would be worth the gamble.

 

[McTonyBrar]

You flip flop more than a fish though. You will crap on a guy and now that skinner has played 2/3 good games, it's all good lol

Even if he goes red hot he will barely be at league average

Some people call it FOMO

In my world, we fall this having STANDARDS

I don't like we'll below standards

Imagine getting crapped on for not loving a guy with 1980s goalie stats

Yeah I did panic earlier because I thought he couldn't find his game like last year. Yet he just found it in the last 10 games. I've also said our #1 priority this season is a top 4 Dman who can play the right side. I've never changed my stance on that.

 

[TheNumber4]

I'm not against replacing Skinner with a clear upgrade.
But MacBlack ain't a clear enough upgrade.



Half these goalies are worse than Skinner, and a few are probably considered cap dumps.


Talbot might be one of the better ones on this list, but then I remember how he let in the first shot like 10 times in a single season to punch his ticket out of town.

I don’t mind dice rolls on cheap goalies. In fact I advocated for it. But that went out the f***in window when Holland completely blew it on $5M for Campbell and we’re still paying for that move cause we went for a “real starter”.

If it was up to me these last 3 years in net we would have already seen Blackwood in an Oilers jersey, AND Skinner, AND Ned/Stolarz/Talbot/Picard/Lindgren/Forsberg/whoever is cheap on cap and term until we find the guy.

But sinking $5M into one Seive in Campbell makes it hard to experiment with the cheap goalie rotation. We have to be really careful now what moves we make in net.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Ummm. Boston??

And we're not paying Skinner 8mil

Stats wise their goaltending isn’t below our duo. Swayman and the bruins are a soup sandwich right now though I’ll give you that. Something tells me swayman bounces back though.

 

[Arpeggio]

We're really letting a couple of trolls run our board these days hey.

Shocking, two posters replied to this post!

Bet you can't guess who!