Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Y'all Got Any Good Goalies?

[FlameChampion]

lol youre acting like we are 29th in the league.

Yeah ok. I just replied to the people are going to have a meltdown for not acquiring Blackwood. This team has no cap space or much for assets to do much. Management isn’t able to do anything because there whole plan is to accrue space for the deadline because they can’t/wont find any other means to free cap space. Just stating the facts lol, not sure why you think I am complaining. Team probably doesn’t want a goalie anyway because Skinner is their guy.

 

[Slats432]

Oilers already stated they aren't moving on from Skinner. Ranting on the forums that they didn't get in on a trade for a mediocre goaltender is a waste of time.

No one is ranting. When Skinner was sitting in the crappy area of his game, lots were thinking of what would an upgrade look like. None of this is in a vacuum. I personally due to cap and play thought Blackwood would be a good tandem option.

 

[TheNumber4]

I think it's starting to look like spreading the cap space out among a few acquisitions might be better than trying to hit a home run on D. A good, but not all-star #4 right D, a true 1B goalie, a strong #4C and a speedy #3 RW and maybe even a Top 6 wing would be a lot better than trying to hit a home run in one position IMO.

A final roster that looks something like this is the best team we could ice IMO:

Nuge - McDavid - Hyman
Kane - Draisaitl - New Top 6
Janmark - Henrique - Arvidsson
Podkolzin - New 4C - Brown/Perry

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - New Top 4
Kulak - Emberson

Skinner
New 1B

IMO - other than Skinner and/or Nurse potentially imploding I don't see a weakness in the lineup.

Jeff Skinner is the obvious omission here, but I have a hard time finding a place for him when Kane is back to be honest. I know he has a NMC, but I have a hard time thinking that he wouldn't accept a trade to the right team if he still hasn't found a real role by the deadline.

How do you get all that by spreading 5M into 4 players? That’s 1.25M per player. 1.25M doesn’t get you upgrades on what we already have in those roles.

 

[McTonyBrar]

 

[Oilslick941611]

Yeah ok. I just replied to the people are going to have a meltdown for not acquiring Blackwood. This team has no cap space or much for assets to do much. Management isn’t to do anything because there whole plan is to accrue space for the deadline because they can’t/wont find any other means to free cap space. Just stating the facts lol, not sure why you think I am complaining. Team probably doesn’t want a goalie anyway because Skinner is their guy.

Yes. That is the plan.

Stated before the season and during.

If we traded for Blackwood, we have nothing to give for another trade. battles need to be picked. Skinner had a great Novemeber and looking good this month, better than blackwood has looked. Perhaps the tables have turned for him. Either way a more pressing need is shoring up the RHD. We know Skinner/Pickard are good enough for us to get far.

 

[VeteranPresence]

We're really letting a couple of trolls run our board these days hey.

I feel like the same people trying to defend our management doing nothing were the same voices trying to downplay the Avs trading for Toews or Vegas acquiring Hill. Cup winners are built by steadily and shrewdly adding talent, especially at key positions like D and G. They're not built by not doing anything and pretending everything is fine.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Oh, the meltdown when a mediocre trade happens on here is magical

 

[Oilslick941611]

EXACTLY!


FOMO

people see a trade and they are f***ing Dave Chappelle with white powder on their noses tweaking out " HEY YA'LL GOT ANY OF THOSE TRADES"

 

[LevelingSolo]

Blackwood would have been a good option behind Skinner but I doubt he’s a quality starter

 

[bobbythebrain]

I feel like the same people trying to defend our management doing nothing were the same voices trying to downplay the Avs trading for Toews or Vegas acquiring Hill. Cup winners are built by steadily and shrewdly adding talent, especially at key positions like D and G. They're not built by not doing anything and pretending everything is fine.

Downplay Hill lmao? What's to play up?

He was a backup in SJ and their 7th option. He was a desperation filler, nothing more when they git him

Making that trade sound like an act of some genuis foresight for the GM is just plane dishonest

 

[K1984]

How do you get all that by spreading 5M into 4 players? That’s 1.25M per player. 1.25M doesn’t get you upgrades on what we already have in those roles.

Cap hits for players of that profile don't have to be big, especially if there is retention, double retention, or some money going the other way.

We also will likely have more effective cap space at the deadline than that.

 

[TheGingaNinja]

Blackwood would have been a good option behind Skinner but I doubt he’s a quality starter

I tend to agree with that assessment. That being said, the cost (a decent NHL winger and a 2nd) is too high a price for a 1B imo. Simply put, we aren't in as desperate a position as Colorado for goaltending.

 

[FlameChampion]

Yes. That is the plan.

Stated before the season and during.

If we traded for Blackwood, we have nothing to give for another trade. battles need to be picked. Skinner had a great Novemeber and looking good this month, better than blackwood has looked. Perhaps the tables have turned for him. Either way a more pressing need is shoring up the RHD. We know Skinner/Pickard are good enough for us to get far.

I personally don’t trust Skinner but I think complaining about him is a waste of energy at this point. Hes the Oilers guy.

I think trading for Blackwood would be a waste of assets because I don’t think he would even play here much. Even when Skinner struggles, he gets rolled out regardless.

Skinner is just way too inconsistent for my liking personally. I’d love to be proven wrong though.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Downplay Hill lmao? What's to play up?

He was a backup in SJ and their 7th option. He was a desperation filler, nothing more when they git him

Making that trade sound like an act of some genuis foresight for the GM is just plane dishonest

Right, all the moves our opponents make or made to get better are pure chance. Weird how it happened to three Cup winners now though. Good luck winning anything in the McDrai era (or ever) if that's our attitude about identifying and acquiring talent.

 

[CupofOil]

Yeah ok. I just replied to the people are going to have a meltdown for not acquiring Blackwood. This team has no cap space or much for assets to do much. Management isn’t able to do anything because there whole plan is to accrue space for the deadline because they can’t/wont find any other means to free cap space. Just stating the facts lol, not sure why you think I am complaining. Team probably doesn’t want a goalie anyway because Skinner is their guy.

This post was littered with complaining lol

 

[Tarus]

No one is ranting. When Skinner was sitting in the crappy area of his game, lots were thinking of what would an upgrade look like. None of this is in a vacuum. I personally due to cap and play thought Blackwood would be a good tandem option.

There was ranting, which I was responding to. You might have missed it(or more likely, have the posters on ignore) further up the thread.

I disagree on Blackwood though. He's just as inconsistent and unreliable as Skinner, and far more injury prone.

 

[K1984]

Right, all the moves our opponents make to get better are pure chance. Weird how it happened to three Cup winners now though. Good luck winning anything in the McDrai era (or ever) if that's our attitude about identifying and acquiring talent.

Good luck winning in the McDrai era if you're trading two major trade chips for a backup goalie.

 

[Heavy Dee]

Great trade for Grier. He originally got Blackwood for a 6th.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Downplay Hill lmao? What's to play up?

He was a backup in SJ and their 7th option. He was a desperation filler, nothing more when they git him

Making that trade sound like an act of some genuis foresight for the GM is just plane dishonest

He only got to play in the playoffs because brossoit was injured, some of these newer oiler fans probably weren’t around for that

 

[Oilslick941611]

I personally don’t trust Skinner but I think complaining about him is a waste of energy at this point. Hes the Oilers guy.

I think trading for Blackwood would be a waste of assets because I don’t think he would even play here much. Even when Skinner struggles, he gets rolled out regardless.

Skinner is just way too inconsistent for my liking personally. I’d love to be proven wrong though.

i read these types of posts here all the time and i dont think people actually would love to be proven wrong.

He had a bad start to the year and hes recovered. Every goalie has bad games and gives up bad goals but people here really focus and nitpick every aspect of Skinners game with an unrealistic fine tooth comb. He was the goalie of note that went to game 7 of the SCF last year and a big reason for our 8 and 16 game win streaks.

Some people will never be able to see past a bad start or bad goal.

 

[McHelpus]

Whelp that's the Avs trade deadline.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

Yeah ok. I just replied to the people are going to have a meltdown for not acquiring Blackwood. This team has no cap space or much for assets to do much. Management isn’t able to do anything because there whole plan is to accrue space for the deadline because they can’t/wont find any other means to free cap space. Just stating the facts lol, not sure why you think I am complaining. Team probably doesn’t want a goalie anyway because Skinner is their guy.

Is there any way to accrue cap space besides just waiting for the TDL? I know that if you are 1 mil under cap that is effectively more since any contract signed further into the year isn't worth the full year's salary. Does anything else affect cap accruing?

It seems the only other thing they could do is trade Kane after late Feb once his no trade clause is up.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Right, all the moves our opponents make to get better are pure chance. Weird how it happened to three Cup winners now though. Good luck winning anything in the McDrai era (or ever) if that's our attitude about identifying and acquiring talent.

Dude what are you even talking about?

Vegas had 2 stud goalies and f'ed them both.
They went with a rookie and almost lost the next season b/c of it and were treading water despite goaltending . Their fans were furious most of that season

Know your facts before throwing false praises

 

[VeteranPresence]

Good luck winning in the McDrai era if you're trading two major trade chips for a backup goalie.

What is the "major" trade chip here- the 2nd round pick who won't make an opening night roster until 2030 at the earliest if at all, or the 25 year old rookie with 8 points in 28 games?

 

[TheNumber4]

Cap hits for players of that profile don't have to be big, especially if there is retention, double retention, or some money going the other way.

We also will likely have more effective cap space at the deadline than that.

Last I heard we were targeting around 5M cap accrual and that number has been dropping throughout the season.

Regardless, somewhere around 1.5M per player even will be hard to find definitive upgrades all these positions. Plus the asset cost of doing 4 smaller deals will add up, probably need retention on atleast 2 of these positions to see the plan through.