Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[Fourier]

I'm not sure where you're getting your $3.9m and $3.1m figures from, because Karlsson's cap hit is currently $10m. Half of that is $5m.

And in real cash, there may not be a lot left on his deal this year--about $1.5m--but next season he's owed $7.5m. $6m of which is owed in bonuses. And no, I don't believe you're correct. Chicago would be paying half of that bonus if the rule is consistent. @Fourier might be able to weigh in.

Chicago alone would ask for a significant return just for multiple years of retention. Then you're paying Pittsburgh for the former Norris winning defenseman. It would absolutely run you two 1st rounders minimum.

If there is retention signing bonuses are split.

 

[McTonyBrar]

He never said this. He said that he "likely" won't be back and that the Oilers still don't know but will get a better idea later in Feb or March.

Do you have a PhD in misquoting?

Okay i'm sorry I was listening to a youtube video which talked about it. I didn't read the article

I've gotta say, I don't like either of these targets. Bjugstad did not impress with us last time around, he plays a pretty soft game for a big man.

Someone like Noah Cates would be a much better target.

These are pretty much him guessing. We obviously are interested in them but we've been scouting Pittsburgh, Seattle and Philly a lot

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Man Avalanche management looking like absolute geniuses right now, that’s really who we need to be emulating. Look at them taking swings and doing something while the Oilers just sit on their hands. First they overpay for a goalie and then hand him a big money long term deal after a handful of games and it’s totally paid off, they’ve been getting really solid .850 goaltending lately.

And now they trade their second best player when they’re a wildcard team.

They’re really playing 3D over there.

 

[Fourier]

It’s not only being how many points you are out- it’s how many teams you have to leap frog. As a team 6 points out has to rely on all the teams ahead of them falling out. 6 points may not seem like a lot- but it is

No doubt the number of teams in the mix impacts the real odds of anyone of them making the necessary gains. But this is a lot more of an issue when you get down to fewer games left, at least in terms of a team's perception of their chances to make it.

Right now in the East 3 teams are one point out with a game in hand. 5 teams could be in a playoff spot after a 3 game winning streak. Individually each of these teams actually have a relatively small chance of making it but it is not in the nature of teams to throw in the towel when they are so close in the standings. The reality is that if you look at Columbus, NYR, Ottawa and Montreal these 4 teams would each have somewhere around a 1 in 4 to 1 in 5 chance of making the playoffs. But I would be shocked if any of these teams felt that they were better off as sellers.

 

[Arpeggio]

Emberson has played very well on the bottom pairing and is getting more confident as he gains more experience so why in the world would they take him out of the lineup?

If Klingberg looks good, better than Emberson, are we no longer adding a defenceman? If we have the money to upgrade for the playoffs, why wouldn't you do it even if it means taking Emberson out for a playoff run? Unless we're just going to add at forward. But I mean, they have quite a bit of cap space. I'd be disappointed if they don't upgrade the D regardless of how good Klingberg looks.

 

[foshizzle]

If there is retention signing bonuses are split.

Are you sure about that?

 

[Fourier]

Are you sure about that?

Yes! It is the performance bonuses on one year deals that are fully attributed to the team that has the player when the bonus is paid.

 

[foshizzle]

Yes! It is the performance bonuses on one year deals that are fully attributed to the team that has the player when the bonus is paid.

Got it.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Man Avalanche management looking like absolute geniuses right now, that’s really who we need to be emulating. Look at them taking swings and doing something while the Oilers just sit on their hands. First they overpay for a goalie and then hand him a big money long term deal after a handful of games and it’s totally paid off, they’ve been getting really solid .850 goaltending lately.

Blackwood is a 0.925 in Colorado? I know it hurts to admit Bowman erred not making a move (err, one of many possible moves) but no need to lie.

And now they trade their second best player when they’re a wildcard team.

They’re really playing 3D over there.

I mean, I guess Sakic could've been like our geniuses and lost two good young players for mere picks (and not even good ones). Instead he was proactive (see how often this word comes up with teams who win things?) and got a younger player with an extra year of control, plus more cap space to add where he sees fit. Meanwhile, Bowman is trying to figure out if John Klingberg can be a solid #6. They're not even in the same galaxy as GMs in today's game/league.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Blackwood is a 0.925 in Colorado? I know it hurts to admit Bowman erred not making a move (err, one of many possible moves) but no need to lie.



I mean, I guess Sakic could've been like our geniuses and lost two good young players for mere picks (and not even good ones). Instead he was proactive (see how often this word comes up with teams who win things?) and got a younger player with an extra year of control, plus more cap space to add where he sees fit. Meanwhile, Bowman is trying to figure out if John Klingberg can be a solid #6. They're not even in the same galaxy as GMs in today's game/league.

Blackwood is .880, .885 and .857 his last 3 games. The shine is quickly wearing off and he’s trending back towards the goalie he’s been his entire career.

Lol so trading your second best player in the midst of your contention window is being proactive?

 

[ThePhoenixx]

 

[McShogun99]

I've gotta say, I don't like either of these targets. Bjugstad did not impress with us last time around, he plays a pretty soft game for a big man.

Someone like Noah Cates would be a much better target.

I’d like a gritty, speedy, right shot 4C.

totally off topic, but Tyler Benson without a point for Ornskoldsvik while leading the team in PIM. Am not sure what made me look, but I did. WTF happened to that guy.

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I thought he was going to be a superstar when he was crushing Edmonton minor hockey scoring records.

 

[brentashton]

Yes! It is the performance bonuses on one year deals that are fully attributed to the team that has the player when the bonus is paid.

Poster tags you asking for your professional input and then proceeds to question you “are you sure about that?”after you’ve provided said input. Good grief.

This place…

 

[Bryanbryoil]

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Stuff like that can really mess with team chemistry. I'm still surprised that it happened, but clearly the Avs felt that it was something that had to be done.

 

[Vagabond]

If Klingberg looks good, better than Emberson, are we no longer adding a defenceman? If we have the money to upgrade for the playoffs, why wouldn't you do it even if it means taking Emberson out for a playoff run? Unless we're just going to add at forward. But I mean, they have quite a bit of cap space. I'd be disappointed if they don't upgrade the D regardless of how good Klingberg looks.

Klinger wouldn't be replacing Emberson, he'd be replacing Stetcher and prob play next to Nurse.

Edit: I'd much rather see cap space spent on a legit goaltender. Oil are solid in every other area.

 

[bellagiobob]

Hear that talks are heating up with a lot of teams now interested in Pettersson. Not the waif forward, but the D who is making his debut tonight. All kidding aside, it would be so Cuck like for them to screw up the paperwork and trade the wrong EP.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Blackwood is a 0.925 in Colorado? I know it hurts to admit Bowman erred not making a move (err, one of many possible moves) but no need to lie.



I mean, I guess Sakic could've been like our geniuses and lost two good young players for mere picks (and not even good ones). Instead he was proactive (see how often this word comes up with teams who win things?) and got a younger player with an extra year of control, plus more cap space to add where he sees fit. Meanwhile, Bowman is trying to figure out if John Klingberg can be a solid #6. They're not even in the same galaxy as GMs in today's game/league.

Just to add to this because I’m not done yet pointing out how many ways you’re wrong . Sakic isn’t even the GM, McFarland is, and he just had to trade a 100 point scorer and maybe a top 10 player in the league because he’s handed out terrible contract after terrible contract 5-6M to a coke head, 5-6M to a mid goalie, 5-6M to a C who can’t hold a spot in the top 6.

There’s a reason Colorado has been in steady decline and going out early since their one and done win when the second best player in the league was making 6M a year.

 

[bellagiobob]

Wonder if Nate caught Mikko having a steak dinner and insisted that he immediately be traded.

 

[Fourier]

Poster tags you asking for your professional input and then proceeds to question you “are you sure about that?”after you’ve provided said input. Good grief.

This place…

@foshizzle didn't tag me though. It was @belair. That said, I have been wrong many times before so I have no issue with the ask. So its's all good.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

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McDavid would be called a whiner if he talked like this lol

 

[VeteranPresence]

Just to add to this because I’m not done yet pointing out how many ways you’re wrong .

...like saying Blackwood was a sub 0.900 goalie in Colorado? Oh wait no, that was you.

he just had to trade a 100 point scorer and maybe a top 10 player in the league because he’s handed out terrible contract after terrible contract 5-6M to a coke head, 5-6M to a mid goalie, 5-6M to a C who can’t hold a spot in the top 6.

Again with the Blackwood slander lmao, it's funny you need to base some much of your hate on that player and contract when we have a much worse goalie. Also, if you think 5-6M for Mittlestadt is bad, what do you think about RNH for the same money with one more point this year?

There’s a reason Colorado has been in steady decline and going out early since their one and done win when the second best player in the league was making 6M a year.

But the goal is to win a Cup, and the Avs did that during their competitive window. We're in no position to critique them when we haven't been able to in Year 10 of McDavid.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Klinger wouldn't be replacing Emberson, he'd be replacing Stetcher and prob play next to Nurse.

Edit: I'd much rather see cap space spent on a legit goaltender. Oil are solid in every other area.

Yeah I don't see Emberson coming out, him and Kulak are near-perfect partners to Nurse and Klingberg.

I'm also looking forward to Klingberg for the same reason I loved Nuge with Janmark and Brown today: He brings some offensive creativity and the ability to execute it.

For as well as Stecher, Kulak, and Emberson handle and move the puck, they don't really do much with it. Even Nurse can often be part of this group. Call it the Ryan McLeod effect.

 

[The Nuge]

DNB with some news

- ⁠if Philp is not ready, DNB states we may look at Bjugstad and Jake Evans

Bjugstad makes a lot of sense regardless. He fit the locker room well his last time here, and was pretty solid in a depth role. The question is how much would he cost?

totally off topic, but Tyler Benson without a point for Ornskoldsvik while leading the team in PIM. Am not sure what made me look, but I did. WTF happened to that guy.

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Its crazy he could be basically PPG as a 20 year old rookie in the AHL, and by 25 struggled to put up 0.5 PPG, and end up in Europe.

If Klingberg looks good, better than Emberson, are we no longer adding a defenceman? If we have the money to upgrade for the playoffs, why wouldn't you do it even if it means taking Emberson out for a playoff run? Unless we're just going to add at forward. But I mean, they have quite a bit of cap space. I'd be disappointed if they don't upgrade the D regardless of how good Klingberg looks.

Because it’s spending assets we don’t really have. If Klingberg can be a legit top 4 dman, why would you give up the assets it takes to acquire another top 4 dman for the bottom pairing? We’re already short this year’s 1st, and Kulak - Emberson is a solid bottom pairing.

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And he flat out stated that he thinks he should have gotten paid, and doesn’t care about being the highest paid player on the team. That’s now extremely stupid that they’d trade arguably a top 10 player in the league over a million and a half, and piss off their franchise player.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

...like saying Blackwood was a sub 0.900 goalie in Colorado? Oh wait no, that was you.



Again with the Blackwood slander lmao, it's funny you need to base some much of your hate on that player and contract when we have a much worse goalie. Also, if you think 5-6M for Mittlestadt is bad, what do you think about RNH for the same money with one more point this year?



But the goal is to win a Cup, and the Avs did that during their competitive window. We're in no position to critique them when we haven't been able to in Year 10 of McDavid.

I said they’ve been getting .850 goaltending lately, learn to read donkey.

I don’t hate Blackwood at all, I just think he’s a mediocre goalie and that will be proven in the long term. And RNH has a far longer track record than mittlestadt, just another player that Colorado doled out a big money long term contract to on a relatively short sample size.

And Colorado won their one cup in year 9 of Mackinnon and as I pointed out, had the massive benefit of him being on a super affordable long term RFA contract which the Oilers didn’t have the same luxury with McDavid. Oilers came within a hair of winning last year and my money is on them getting it done this year. Edmonton is rounding into a powerhouse and is one of the best teams in the league the last few months, Colorado is hanging around with the Canucks and Flames.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Bjugstad makes a lot of sense regardless. He fit the locker room well his last time here, and was pretty solid in a depth role. The question is how much would he cost?

I don’t think they want someone as soft as Bjugstad. That would just be adding more of the same imo