Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[VeteranPresence]

I said they’ve been getting .850 goaltending lately, learn to read donkey.

And you were still wrong, because he's had one 0.850 game lately. Unless one game makes a pattern, which in that case Skinner is giving us 0.786 goaltending because of the game vs. Washington?

I don’t hate Blackwood at all, I just think he’s a mediocre goalie and that will be proven in the long term.

So it's an opinion and nothing the facts bear out. Cool cool.

And RNH has a far longer track record than mittlestadt, just another player that Colorado doled out a big money long term contract to on a relatively short sample size.

Who are the "others" they did this to? Most teams would kill to have only one bad contract, and for that to be under $6M. You seem to be making things up again.

And Colorado won their one cup in year 9 of Mackinnon and as I pointed out, had the massive benefit of him being on a super affordable long term RFA contract which the Oilers didn’t have the same luxury with McDavid. Oilers came within a hair of winning last year and my money is on them getting it done this year. Edmonton is rounding into a powerhouse and is one of the best teams in the league the last few months, Colorado is hanging around with the Canucks and Flames.

All you needed to do was stop at the first nine 9 words. So the Avs won earlier with MacKinnon than we did with McDavid. That's a fact, unlike the things you keep trying to introduce as "evidence".

The Avs are a better organization than we are, full stop. You can keep inventing new things to try and refute that but until we win a Cup, your fictional metrics and measures mean nothing.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Man Avalanche management looking like absolute geniuses right now, that’s really who we need to be emulating. Look at them taking swings and doing something while the Oilers just sit on their hands. First they overpay for a goalie and then hand him a big money long term deal after a handful of games and it’s totally paid off, they’ve been getting really solid .850 goaltending lately.

And now they trade their second best player when they’re a wildcard team.

They’re really playing 3D over there.

geniuses?

They gave up all their assets

They got worse by trading Rantanen, and they already didn't look that great to start with


You got me. I didn't read your whole post, but i'll leave my initial reaction up because too many people here unironically think they are geniuses and complain about our management doing nothing, depsite our location in the standings, record and recent history.

 

[Mr Positive]

geniuses?

They gave up all their assets

They got worse by trading Rantanen, and they already didn't look that great to start with


You got me. I didn't read your whole post, but i'll leave my initial reaction up because too many people here unironically think they are geniuses and complain about our management doing nothing, depsite our location in the standings, record and recent history.

There's a reason the President's Trophy winner isn't more of a lock to go deep in the playoffs. We are doing well but in the slog of the regular season you can get by with having more holes in the roster and "good enough" players. The playoffs are a different animal. Even the team understands this, which is why they gave Klingberg a try despite Stecher and Emberson doing fine. And imo adding a goalie is a similar issue. I don't trust a Skinner-Pickard tandem but I'd be pumped for Skinner-Vejmelka. When we are deep in the playoffs and the opposition is laser focused on every inch of leverage, our weaknesses will be more exposed than they are now.

And the standard is winning the cup. It couldn't be a higher bar to reach and much harder than just winning a bunch of games

 

[Oilslick941611]

There's a reason the President's Trophy winner isn't more of a lock to go deep in the playoffs. We are doing well but in the slog of the regular season you can get by with having more holes in the roster and "good enough" players. The playoffs are a different animal. Even the team understands this, which is why they gave Klingberg a try despite Stecher and Emberson doing fine. And imo adding a goalie is a similar issue. I don't trust a Skinner-Pickard tandem but I'd be pumped for Skinner-Vejmelka. When we are deep in the playoffs and the opposition is laser focused on every inch of leverage, our weaknesses will be more exposed than they are now.

And the standard is winning the cup. It couldn't be a higher bar to reach and much harder than just winning a bunch of games

what does any of this have to do with what i posted?

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Jeff Skinner came here for thar reason

yes he did

 

[Mr Positive]

what does any of this have to do with what i posted?

Because you said that people are whining despite our place in the standings and recent record. All my post is saying is that that doesn't really matter. We should be whining more even

 

[Oilslick941611]

Because you said that people are whining despite our place in the standings and recent record. All my post is saying is that that doesn't really matter. We should be whining more even

there needs to be realism here. You cant win every game.

We win a lot.

As a player you can go into every game thinking you will win, but no team has ever gone 82-0.

so whining and bitching about missing out on trades or signing is stupid. Bowman has added depth that has played very well for us. Many here are missing the forest for the trees.

 

[Mr Positive]

there needs to be realism here. You cant win every game.

We win a lot.

As a player you can go into every game thinking you will win, but no team has ever gone 82-0.

so whining and bitching about missing out on trades or signing is stupid.

Sure but the NHL is such that even if we won 82-0 we could still lose in the playoffs, and not just because everything is a throw of the dice. Playoffs are a different animal.

Despite our success, I don't blame fans whatsoever for being hardcore about fixing the holes on the team. They are looking past these games that do not matter. It's about the playoffs, when we can forecast that certain weaknesses will magnify. So it can seem like overreaction but imo it really isn't. If we are in first place and we do nothing at the deadline because we feel everything is great, does that make sense?

Our holes have been obvious since the season started as well. We are using placeholder players. So yes, I agree with those who are upset that we have given up obvious chances to replace the placeholders. The only thing I'd add is that we can give some leeway to wait until the deadline. We can be critical but let's tone it down a notch so we save some anger for non moves at the deadline.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Sure but the NHL is such that even if we won 82-0 we could still lose in the playoffs, and not just because everything is a throw of the dice. Playoffs are a different animal.

Despite our success, I don't blame fans whatsoever for being hardcore about fixing the holes on the team. They are looking past these games that do not matter. It's about the playoffs, when we can forecast that certain weaknesses will magnify. So it can seem like overreaction but imo it really isn't. If we are in first place and we do nothing at the deadline because we feel everything is great, does that make sense?

Our holes have been obvious since the season started as well. We are using placeholder players. So yes, I agree with those who are upset that we have given up obvious chances to replace the placeholders. The only thing I'd add is that we can give some leeway to wait until the deadline. We can be critical but let's tone it down a notch so we save some anger for non moves at the deadline.

we could win everything as well from the 8th seed. Focusing on the negative serves no purpose.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

No thanks to Bjugstad.

Agreed, I like the idea of Evans

In a vacuum Evans is better, but in a bottom 6 that features Henrique/RNH, Janmark, Brown, Skinner, Kapanen, Perry, I think Bjudstad's size is needed.

Though so far it looks like Philp is winning the job.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Do you guys think Skinner is here past the deadline?

 

[Mr Positive]

we could win everything as well from the 8th seed. Focusing on the negative serves no purpose.

What I'm saying is that we can look at the faults of the team by analyzing the skill of the players themselves. The results in the standings doesn't matter.

I see lots of focusing on the positive as well. I focus on both. Things are great and guys like Stu Skinner and Stecher are stepping up, but we still need to bolsters these positions. We should still keep both as great depth

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Do you guys think Skinner is here past the deadline?

A heater might save him. He’s still 4th on this team in goals.

 

[Mr Positive]

Do you guys think Skinner is here past the deadline?

Yes to both

 

[foshizzle]

Do you guys think Skinner is here past the deadline?

I assume you mean J Skinner? If so- yes I do. He controls his destiny and there is a reason he chose Edmonton.

 

[foshizzle]

Jeff Skinner came here for thar reason

Great point. I think he has been fine and is showing a willingness to change his game. I still think he is a better fit on the top line and I actually like Nuge back at centre. Lowetide on his show spoke about it as well. Nuge, at this point, is better served playing on third line low event role- which he has done really well the last 2 games

 

[Fourier]

Sure but the NHL is such that even if we won 82-0 we could still lose in the playoffs, and not just because everything is a throw of the dice. Playoffs are a different animal.

Despite our success, I don't blame fans whatsoever for being hardcore about fixing the holes on the team. They are looking past these games that do not matter. It's about the playoffs, when we can forecast that certain weaknesses will magnify. So it can seem like overreaction but imo it really isn't. If we are in first place and we do nothing at the deadline because we feel everything is great, does that make sense?

Our holes have been obvious since the season started as well. We are using placeholder players. So yes, I agree with those who are upset that we have given up obvious chances to replace the placeholders. The only thing I'd add is that we can give some leeway to wait until the deadline. We can be critical but let's tone it down a notch so we save some anger for non moves at the deadline.

The problem is...every team has holes. That is a basic axiom of the NHL salary cap. You might get lucky and find yourself succeeding at a time when your cap structure is optimal, or by having cap space freed up somewhat artificially by LTIR, but no team has the room to have both top end players getting paid for their prime years and depth in all positions.

Colorado had a juggernaut in good part because of cap timing. As soon as they had to pay McKinnon, and to a lesser degree their depth guys, market value they took a huge step back. They have had issues in goal and with respect to depth up front precisely because they had to pay McKinnon, Makar and Rantanen.

Tampa and Vegas both benefitted immensely from cap related factors. In addition to being able to add impact players for the playoffs that would have put them well over the cap ceiling had they all been healthy in the regular season, both cities have significant tax and location advantages that probably equate to $3-4M in extra cap space to spend on depth.

Pretty much everyone would like to add an Ekholm level defender and have a top 5-10 goalie by only shedding marginal contributors. Maybe one such add might be possible at the deadline but this is possibility is not fully under the Oilers control. First the team has to know that Kane is out for the year. We all suspect that he is but none of us knows and it is actually likely that the Oilers don't either. They have already been put on notice that the NHL is prepared to investigate this situation. Secondly, an impact player has to actually be available and for a price that makes sense. My sense is that there may be a chance to improve the defense, but I suspect that in goal the chances are much less.

In the meantime adding a Klingberg type player makes sense. If he has an OEL level resurgence then that is huge for this team. If not, they loose very little. And I am far from a fan of the player. But his injury may well have been the key issue in his regression so we will see.

 

[McTedi]

And you were still wrong, because he's had one 0.850 game lately. Unless one game makes a pattern, which in that case Skinner is giving us 0.786 goaltending because of the game vs. Washington?



So it's an opinion and nothing the facts bear out. Cool cool.



Who are the "others" they did this to? Most teams would kill to have only one bad contract, and for that to be under $6M. You seem to be making things up again.



All you needed to do was stop at the first nine 9 words. So the Avs won earlier with MacKinnon than we did with McDavid. That's a fact, unlike the things you keep trying to introduce as "evidence".

The Avs are a better organization than we are, full stop. You can keep inventing new things to try and refute that but until we win a Cup, your fictional metrics and measures mean nothing.

The Avs have made some good moves but trading away Rantanen and Byram aren’t on that list. I hope there is a rematch in the playoffs because I think the Oilers are the better team now. Outside of McDavid and Draisaitl, MacKinnion is the player I enjoy watching the most. Speed, power and skill.

 

[Heavy Dee]

A heater might save him. He’s still 4th on this team in goals.

Fifth but I get your point.

 

[Mr Positive]

The problem is...every team has holes. That is a basic axiom of the NHL salary cap. You might get lucky and find yourself succeeding at a time when your cap structure is optimal, or by having cap space freed up somewhat artificially by LTIR, but no team has the room to have both top end players getting paid for their prime years and depth in all positions.

Colorado had a juggernaut in good part because of cap timing. As soon as they had to pay McKinnon, and to a lesser degree their depth guys, market value they took a huge step back. They have had issues in goal and with respect to depth up front precisely because they had to pay McKinnon, Makar and Rantanen.

Tampa and Vegas both benefitted immensely from cap related factors. In addition to being able to add impact players for the playoffs that would have put them well over the cap ceiling had they all been healthy in the regular season, both cities have significant tax and location advantages that probably equate to $3-4M in extra cap space to spend on depth.

Pretty much everyone would like to add an Ekholm level defender and have a top 5-10 goalie by only shedding marginal contributors. Maybe one such add might be possible at the deadline but this is possibility is not fully under the Oilers control. First the team has to know that Kane is out for the year. We all suspect that he is but none of us knows and it is actually likely that the Oilers don't either. They have already been put on notice that the NHL is prepared to investigate this situation. Secondly, an impact player has to actually be available and for a price that makes sense. My sense is that there may be a chance to improve the defense, but I suspect that in goal the chances are much less.

In the meantime adding a Klingberg type player makes sense. If he has an OEL level resurgence then that is huge for this team. If not, they loose very little. And I am far from a fan of the player. But his injury may well have been the key issue in his regression so we will see.

I do agree that we could win the cup with this team, because like you say, every team has holes. But again, we got to game 7 of the cup final. The standard is so high that even being equal to the top contenders is not really good enough. Personally I like that the fans have a high standard.

Even more though, the fact is that our roster holes are very obvious, and we've had opportunities to patch them but didn't. And again, I'm actually fine with waiting till the deadline to get more sellers and to see which players are heating up more, and to see how Klingberg does first

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Fifth but I get your point.

Haha correct. My fault.

 

[McTedi]

The problem is...every team has holes. That is a basic axiom of the NHL salary cap. You might get lucky and find yourself succeeding at a time when your cap structure is optimal, or by having cap space freed up somewhat artificially by LTIR, but no team has the room to have both top end players getting paid for their prime years and depth in all positions.

Colorado had a juggernaut in good part because of cap timing. As soon as they had to pay McKinnon, and to a lesser degree their depth guys, market value they took a huge step back. They have had issues in goal and with respect to depth up front precisely because they had to pay McKinnon, Makar and Rantanen.

Tampa and Vegas both benefitted immensely from cap related factors. In addition to being able to add impact players for the playoffs that would have put them well over the cap ceiling had they all been healthy in the regular season, both cities have significant tax and location advantages that probably equate to $3-4M in extra cap space to spend on depth.

Pretty much everyone would like to add an Ekholm level defender and have a top 5-10 goalie by only shedding marginal contributors. Maybe one such add might be possible at the deadline but this is possibility is not fully under the Oilers control. First the team has to know that Kane is out for the year. We all suspect that he is but none of us knows and it is actually likely that the Oilers don't either. They have already been put on notice that the NHL is prepared to investigate this situation. Secondly, an impact player has to actually be available and for a price that makes sense. My sense is that there may be a chance to improve the defense, but I suspect that in goal the chances are much less.

In the meantime adding a Klingberg type player makes sense. If he has an OEL level resurgence then that is huge for this team. If not, they loose very little. And I am far from a fan of the player. But his injury may well have been the key issue in his regression so we will see.

I find it hilarious (in a bad way) that Tampa and Vegas can f*** around with the cap while having all of the tax advantages and the NHL doesn’t blink. But we get put on notice for a player with multiple injuries and surgeries because we are looking for a cap advantage. Not to mention the Keith, Neal and Chia things. The NHL can f*** off and treat all teams to the same standard.

 

[McFlyingV]

Great point. I think he has been fine and is showing a willingness to change his game. I still think he is a better fit on the top line and I actually like Nuge back at centre. Lowetide on his show spoke about it as well. Nuge, at this point, is better served playing on third line low event role- which he has done really well the last 2 games

I do prefer the McDavid-Drai-Nuge setup down the middle, but I think it would look even better when Kane's back. Henrique imo is better suited for a scoring winger role with a solid 2-way game. His boots are a bit slow for a shutdown centre role.

I'd like for them to give Savoie a look as well. By all accounts his 2-way game has been great in the AHL and I could see him catching fire with a playmaking centre. Between him, Philp and Kane's return, and maybe 1 more TDL acquisition this team could have as many as 16 forwards they could slot in when roster size is unlimited in the playoffs.

 

[Fourier]

I do agree that we could win the cup with this team, because like you say, every team has holes. But again, we got to game 7 of the cup final. The standard is so high that even being equal to the top contenders is not really good enough. Personally I like that the fans have a high standard.

Even more though, the fact is that our roster holes are very obvious, and we've had opportunities to patch them but didn't. And again, I'm actually fine with waiting till the deadline to get more sellers and to see which players are heating up more, and for the RD to see how Klingberg does first

At this point the cup is the only goal. I suspect that we all agree and that the team does as well.

Where I disagree is the statement that they have had opportunities to patch the wholes and did not. We have no idea what opportunities that they have ignored and which they have pursued but were not able to complete. But I don't see any moves made yet by other teams this year that I think would have made a real difference that the Oilers passed up.

I'd be happy to hear one or two examples of impactful moves that other teams have made so far that you think the Oilers should have done.

 

[McTedi]

At this point the cup is the only goal. I suspect that we all agree and that the team does as well.

Where I disagree is the statement that they have had opportunities to patch the wholes and did not. We have no idea what opportunities that they have ignored and which they have pursued but were not able to complete. But I don't see any moves made yet by other teams this year that I think would have made a real difference that the Oilers passed up.

I'd be happy to hear one or two examples of impactful moves that other teams have made so far that you think the Oilers should have done.

The Avs picking up Blackwood and now the Canes with Rantanen.