Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[soothsayer]

I find it odd that the Avs traded Rantanen because they didn't want to pay him more than Nathan McKombucha, as if his feelings are going to get hurt?

There's no way that policy is sustainable going forward unless you want to actively make your team worse.

 

[belair]

Colorado got stronger down the middle but Mackinnon is going to have less space to do his thing with Rantanen gone

Necas is a right winger. I agree they got weaker though. Rantanen is a legitimate star player.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Wow, what a surprising trade. I don’t really understand it from a Colorado point of view unless they have another trade lined up for an elite winger to play with Mack.

seravalli was pretty adamant and clear that Rantanen wanted a contract like Draisaitl and the Avs arent going to be paying anyone more than MacK's 12.6mil.

according to seravalli in the same video he said Rantanen wasn't even told or brought in for contract talks after the initial ask and the avs were 100% getting ahead of the situtation.

IMO with the Blackburn trade and the avs are pretty bare in the cupboards and trading Rantanen didn't get the haul he probably should have gotten. I cant see the avs adding another big name unless say its crosby *( which i dont think he moves) and for some reason dubas gives him away for pretty much what the avs gave rantanen away for.

I find it odd that the Avs traded Rantanen because they didn't want to pay him more than Nathan McKombucha, as if his feelings are going to get hurt?

There's no way that policy is sustainable going forward unless you want to actively make your team worse.

especially with a cap nearing 100million.

 

[Mr Positive]

seravalli was pretty adamant and clear that Rantanen wanted a contract like Draisaitl and the Avs arent going to be paying anyone more than MacK's 12.6mil.

according to seravalli in the same video he said Rantanen wasn't even told or brought in for contract talks after the initial ask and the avs were 100% getting ahead of the situtation.

IMO with the Blackburn trade and the avs are pretty bare in the cupboards and trading Rantanen didn't get the haul he probably should have gotten. I cant see the avs adding another big name unless say its crosby *( which i dont think he moves) and for some reason dubas gives him away for pretty much what the avs gave rantanen away for.


especially with a cap nearing 100million.

The cap is also going to be much higher pretty quick. Not only did the league cancel all escrow this season, but they are going to have to give the players another cheque at the end the year because of how much extra revenue they didn't anticipate. Makar is going to get 20 million aav when his deal ends in 2027

 

[Oilslick941611]

The cap is also going to be much higher pretty quick. Not only did the league cancel all escrow this season, but they are going to have to give the players another cheque at the end the year because of how much extra revenue they didn't anticipate. Makar is going to get 20 million aav when his deal ends in 2027

it might, it may continue to grow after next season.

Trump is trending towards a trade war or worse with canada. Canada props up the NHL so we'll see on that front.

If the avs have an internal policy of not paying player more than MacKinnon ( like many insiders are saying) then they are going to get left behind fairly quickly. because 12mil will be the new 8 mil in a 100mil cap world, and many superstars are going to want to play for that cap hit.

 

[CupofOil]

I like how you're acting like the Avs have currently made their team better with the Rantanen deal. I also love the cherry picked dates. Don't be one of those people who acts like every move that was made by a team not named the Oilers is a fail.

We have yet to see what impact Klingberg will have. Bowman made solid deals to acquire Podz and Emberson. He was active on bringing Kapanen and Klingberg for free. He hasn;t made his big deadline moves yet. Give him time.

I also don't get how people complain about the Oilers at the deadline. In the past few years they've brought in

Kane, Kulak, Ekholm, Perry, Henrique and now Klingberg. That's pretty darn active.

Some people are chronic complainers. There's not a lot of them but unfortunately they're the most vocal ones on this board so they infect the threads with their nonsense.

 

[FlameChampion]

NGL I don't quite get this from the Avs perspective. Even if Rantanen signs at Draisaitl money, their big 3 will cost roughly what our big 3 will cost and the cap will keep skyrocketing.

You can't worry about Mackinnon's feelings here. He signed his contracts. He's won his cup and his individual awards. Does he want to keep winning, or just be known as the highest paid forward on his team?

Well Rantanen is a UFA and they don’t want to pay him 14m.

But its kinda dumb because Necas is having a huge year which is kinda an outlier for him. Hes got 1 more year left. Hes going to have the opportunity to put up points. The cap is going up. Hes probably going to be 10m+. Might as well of just paid Rantanen.

 

[Mr Positive]

Some people are chronic complainers. There's not a lot of them but unfortunately they're the most vocal ones on this board so they infect the threads with their nonsense.

I agree that our team has been aggressive and proactive, and I'll even let it pass that they are waiting until closer to the deadline for moves.

I have one exception when it comes to the goaltending. We don't have a similar list of moves when it comes to management addressing goaltending and exploring different options. Even then I give some leeway just in the timing. We should have been in on Blackwood but there are still other options. I'm on board with waiting until closer to the deadline so that there are more options.

And on this I still do whine about it because it seems whenever there is one of our media people saying what our management is up to, they never suggest that we are looking at goaltending. So it makes me grumpy. This is the one player who plays the whole game. It needs to be better

 

[jukon]

How many teams do you think will be buyers for a goalie???

 

[Oilslick941611]

How many teams do you think will be buyers for a goalie???

the better question is what goalie is available that is a defacto upgrade over another teams starter? Most of the names out there are nothing more than lateral moves or slight upgrades not worth the assets to acquire them.

Thats a much smaller list than teams looking for a goalie.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Some people are chronic complainers. There's not a lot of them but unfortunately they're the most vocal ones on this board so they infect the threads with their nonsense.

That poster complains when the team actually does stuff, and complains when they don’t do stuff.

His schtick is getting old

 

[jeffff]

No one has mentioned Landeskog....hes closer to returning than you think. Avs need to make room for his salary.

Good trade for Oiler fans, Avs definitely aren't as scary now. Also helps our boys in the Art Ross chase. Can't see Mac maintaining his pace with Rant.

 

[Hockeylife2018]

I find it odd that the Avs traded Rantanen because they didn't want to pay him more than Nathan McKombucha, as if his feelings are going to get hurt?

There's no way that policy is sustainable going forward unless you want to actively make your team worse.

This was the bruins method for years and it worked

They clearly outline what their salary is for each player to build a contender, if a player isn't willing to take a "team friendly" contract they are moved

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

I feel a bit warm and fuzzy inside that something the Oilers did cost the Aves one of their best players

What’s funny is that he’s actually playing like a 14M player as well it’s not an overpayment

 

[Heavy Dee]

He had a very good idea of what Hall would return. And regardless of what it was, it would've required them to retain. He would be worth zero at full clip, which is how he went to Carolina.

Retaining on Rantanen was exactly that: weaponizing their cap space. And in real cash, retaining half of Mikko Rantanen's deal cost the Hawks approximately $1,207,200. There is approximately $2,112,600 left on Taylor Hall's deal. So in real cash the Hawks saved about $905,400 in this trade and walked away with their own 3rd round pick.

The Hawks have an abundance of cap space. And doing what they just did made more of it.

It makes sense of they are going to retain on Jones. And if they trade him as well, who in the hell is left? Bedard is already being exposed and isn't happy about it.

I refuse to give Davidson any credit. I predict they will have a new GM next season.

 

[Canovin]

As of now Colorado gotten weaker but if they somehow add Miller that would be frightening

 

[BlackDogg]

 

[soothsayer]

This was the bruins method for years and it worked

They clearly outline what their salary is for each player to build a contender, if a player isn't willing to take a "team friendly" contract they are moved

Did they ever trade their 100-point and second best forward though?

 

[foshizzle]

He had a very good idea of what Hall would return. And regardless of what it was, it would've required them to retain. He would be worth zero at full clip, which is how he went to Carolina.

Retaining on Rantanen was exactly that: weaponizing their cap space. And in real cash, retaining half of Mikko Rantanen's deal cost the Hawks approximately $1,207,200. There is approximately $2,112,600 left on Taylor Hall's deal. So in real cash the Hawks saved about $905,400 in this trade and walked away with their own 3rd round pick.

The Hawks have an abundance of cap space. And doing what they just did made more of it.

Time to do a 3 way with Pitts for EK65 and 50% retention

 

[belair]

It makes sense of they are going to retain on Jones. And if they trade him as well, who in the hell is left? Bedard is already being exposed and isn't happy about it.

I refuse to give Davidson any credit. I predict they will have a new GM next season.

If they retain on Jones, it'll be in the offseason when all of their retention slots clear. He has term left and a deal like that needs to make sense for both teams involved. I actually saw Carolina as a potential destination for him, seeing the amount of cap space they've got opening up this summer.

As it stands now, Chicago is in a good position to be the third party in another deal for a UFA star player at the deadline. And the money they saved here allows them to eat half of a very large cap hit on another deadline deal and not have to spend a cent.

Time to do a 3 way with Pitts for EK65 and 50% retention

That would be very expensive.

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[The Nuge]

Since December 9th:

Sakic: Necas, Blackwood, another big name probably (Miller? Jones?)

Tulsky: Rantanen and Hall

Bowman: Klingberg

One of these things is not like the other…

The thing that’s not like the other is Colorado got worse, and us and Carolina got better.

No doubt Rantanen is the better player, but I don’t think the gap between him and Necas is as wide as most are making it out to be. Necas is only 9 points back of Rantanen and he hasn’t had the luxury of playing with a center like MacK or a Dman like Makar. For the majority of the year he’s played on a line with Kotkaniemi as his center. Even when he did get to play with Aho (which wasn’t that often outside of the PP), Aho isn’t anywhere near MacK’s talent level.

Necas can absolutely fly, which will be interesting to watch if he’s paired with MacK and Makar in 3 on 3 situations. I think they probably discussed what Necas long term ask is and dissected who brings better bang for buck. Rantanen might be better, but Rantanen @ 13+ vs Necas @9.5-10, I think I’m gonna take Necas. That 3 mil of extra cap space will go a long way in securing other talent.

If Necas gets a chance to play on MacK’s wing, I think he can put up the same numbers as Rantanen.

Necas having a crazy ~20 game run doesn’t make him close to Rantanen. Rantanen has 365 points (105 point pace) to Necas’ 219 points (63 point pace) over the last 4 years.

I find it odd that the Avs traded Rantanen because they didn't want to pay him more than Nathan McKombucha, as if his feelings are going to get hurt?

There's no way that policy is sustainable going forward unless you want to actively make your team worse.

Especially since there’s no way Makar signs for less than that in a couple years. If MacKinnon’s priority was ensuring he’s always the highest paid player on the team, he should have signed for less term. The rising cap changes things.

No one has mentioned Landeskog....hes closer to returning than you think. Avs need to make room for his salary.

Good trade for Oiler fans, Avs definitely aren't as scary now. Also helps our boys in the Art Ross chase. Can't see Mac maintaining his pace with Rant.

According to who? Bednar’s latest comment was still just that he’s hoping Landeskog might be able to play this year

 

[foshizzle]

If they retain on Jones, it'll be in the offseason when all of their retention slots clear. He has term left and a deal like that needs to make sense for both teams involved. I actually saw Carolina as a potential destination for him, seeing the amount of cap space they've got opening up this summer.

As it stands now, Chicago is in a good position to be the third party in another deal for a UFA star player at the deadline. And the money they saved here allows them to eat half of a very large cap hit on another deadline deal and not have to spend a cent.


That would be very expensive.

Based on what it cost Colorado? Plus EK65’s actual dollars are only 3.9 and 3.1 respectively

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[belair]

Based on what it cost Colorado? Plus EK65’s actual dollars are only 3.9 and 3.1 respectively

You mean Carolina? You don't generally see teams eating large amounts of salary like that, especially with term. Karlsson is owed a $6m bonus next season. That's actual money.

Then you need to acknowledge that he's also a player who has trade value. He's a contributing player.

Getting a third party to eat half of Karlsson's contract would require multiple first rounders plus.